TPP Fast track

[finglobes]

If Obama really wants some agreement you can be 100% sure it either A) harms America B) helps enemies C) preferably does both. The economic details of TPP are one thing but another thing is the provision to made agreement a "living document" that a president can use to do "whatever". That's a dangerous power to give a proven psyhco presently stoking nuclear war in Mid East and erasing borders at home (and even the idea of "credit worthiness" is being erased while average dope remains unaware).

"Trade Authority For Obama Will Cut Congress Out Of Picture"

"Beyond the obvious absurdity of a Republican Congress that campaigned on reining in President Obama's power-grab ceding even more power to the executive branch, the Sessions memo hits one issue that no thinking limited-government supporter can accept: The TPP is a "living document."

http://news.investors.com/IBD-Edito...ts-president-avoid-congressional-approval.htm

 

[nickqt]

If Obama really wants some agreement you can be 100% sure it either A) harms America B) helps enemies C) preferably does both. The economic details of TPP are one thing but another thing is the provision to made agreement a "living document" that a president can use to do "whatever". That's a dangerous power to give a proven psyhco presently stoking nuclear war in Mid East and erasing borders at home (and even the idea of "credit worthiness" is being erased while average dope remains unaware).

"Trade Authority For Obama Will Cut Congress Out Of Picture"

"Beyond the obvious absurdity of a Republican Congress that campaigned on reining in President Obama's power-grab ceding even more power to the executive branch, the Sessions memo hits one issue that no thinking limited-government supporter can accept: The TPP is a "living document."

http://news.investors.com/IBD-Edito...ts-president-avoid-congressional-approval.htm

Buy gold coins.

 

[Brian Stirling]

If Obama really wants some agreement you can be 100% sure it either A) harms America B) helps enemies C) preferably does both. The economic details of TPP are one thing but another thing is the provision to made agreement a "living document" that a president can use to do "whatever". That's a dangerous power to give a proven psyhco presently stoking nuclear war in Mid East and erasing borders at home (and even the idea of "credit worthiness" is being erased while average dope remains unaware).

"Trade Authority For Obama Will Cut Congress Out Of Picture"

"Beyond the obvious absurdity of a Republican Congress that campaigned on reining in President Obama's power-grab ceding even more power to the executive branch, the Sessions memo hits one issue that no thinking limited-government supporter can accept: The TPP is a "living document."

http://news.investors.com/IBD-Edito...ts-president-avoid-congressional-approval.htm

You do know that TPP has very high support among Republican pols and quite a bit less support from Democratic pols -- don't you?

That Obama is on the same side of the issue as most Republicans is an irony only when looked at from left or right. That Obama, a man that's taken hundreds of millions in campaign money from the very same people pushing deals like TPP make this less surprising.

Pro tip: Hillary will push for the same job killing deals as Obama, Bush (W), Clinton (Bill), Bush (HW), Reagan, etc. etc. etc...

And she will do so for the same reason ... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Brian

 

[finglobes]

You do know that TPP has very high support among Republican pols and quite a bit less support from Democratic pols -- don't you?

That Obama is on the same side of the issue as most Republicans is an irony only when looked at from left or right. That Obama, a man that's taken hundreds of millions in campaign money from the very same people pushing deals like TPP make this less surprising.

Pro tip: Hillary will push for the same job killing deals as Obama, Bush (W), Clinton (Bill), Bush (HW), Reagan, etc. etc. etc...

And she will do so for the same reason ... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Brian

Most pols haven't even read what's in the agreement. In its original origins the agreement goes back aways. Many GOP leaders are dumb enough to just trust Obama and sign off on deal since their donor class wants them.



A Trade Deal Read In Secret By Only A Few (Or Maybe None)



http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallp...deal-read-in-secret-by-only-few-or-maybe-none

 

[boomerang]

A Trade Deal Read In Secret By Only A Few (Or Maybe None) http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpo...-or-maybe-none

I was wondering if this information was ever going to come into the thread. I really don't know the words to use to convey how I feel about a government that performs its business like this. It sounds more like the country my ancestors came here to escape. It surely doesn't sound like the same nation my ancestors fought in wars to defend.

 

[dank69]

I was wondering if this information was ever going to come into the thread. I really don't know the words to use to convey how I feel about a government that performs its business like this. It sounds more like the country my ancestors came here to escape. It surely doesn't sound like the same nation my ancestors fought in wars to defend.

This was discussed as far back as post 2

 

[boomerang]

This was discussed as far back as post 2

Nope, just looked again. No mention of the bill being in a secure room where one has to make an appointment to view it, no recording devices of any kind can be taken in and any notes taken must remain in the room. If you want to make a point, tell me what post it was in and you will be on the path to victory.

 

[dank69]

Nope, just looked again. No mention of the bill being in a secure room where one has to make an appointment to view it, no recording devices of any kind can be taken in and any notes taken must remain in the room. If you want to make a point, tell me what post it was in and you will be on the path to victory.

It was alluded to in post 2, I asked about it in post 27 and I was answered in post 28

 

[boomerang]

It was alluded to in post 2, I asked about it in post 27 and I was answered in post 28

Ya did good. You have every right to be proud. :thumbsup:

Moving on: I've Read Obama's Secret Trade Deal. Elizabeth Warren Is Right to Be Concerned.

 

[sm625]

This will get through, one way or another. Too much money at stake.

 

[blastingcap]

Ya did good. You have every right to be proud. :thumbsup:

Moving on: I've Read Obama's Secret Trade Deal. Elizabeth Warren Is Right to Be Concerned.

"I can tell you that Elizabeth Warren is right about her criticism of the trade deal. We should be very concerned about what's hidden in this trade deal—and particularly how the Obama administration is keeping information secret even from those of us who are supposed to provide advice.

So-called “cleared advisors” like me are prohibited from sharing publicly the criticisms we’ve lodged about specific proposals and approaches. The government has created a perfect Catch 22: The law prohibits us from talking about the specifics of what we’ve seen, allowing the president to criticize us for not being specific. Instead of simply admitting that he disagrees with me—and with many other cleared advisors—about the merits of the TPP, the president instead pretends that our specific, pointed criticisms don’t exist."

-- from the Politico article linked to, above

 

[Attic]

You do know that TPP has very high support among Republican pols and quite a bit less support from Democratic pols -- don't you?

That Obama is on the same side of the issue as most Republicans is an irony only when looked at from left or right. That Obama, a man that's taken hundreds of millions in campaign money from the very same people pushing deals like TPP make this less surprising.

Pro tip: Hillary will push for the same job killing deals as Obama, Bush (W), Clinton (Bill), Bush (HW), Reagan, etc. etc. etc...

And she will do so for the same reason ... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Brian

There is a reason that our government will push and implement job killing and wage reducing policy. I don't think that reason is $$$$$$$.

$$$$ is one of the outcomes. But the reason these policies come to be, I think is mainly due to our systems failure of a legal system. Failure of holding everyone to the same set of laws. A few folks are able to work around the system that everyone else exists in and is bound by.

In a nutshell, it's inequality. Of course government can pass stuff to better itself and harm the rest of us,... some animals are more equal than others.

I think the root reason is corruption, corruption enabled by a failure to uphold a system of law. The selective application of law in our country enables most of the corruption we see around us.

If we look at past trade deals, these were effectively sold on bait and switch games to the american people. No one held responsible when certain agreements were not held up. When there is an unequal application of law, government (and others of power and/or wealth) can get away with anything.

No easy solution, because the solution has to exist outside of the system. This is usually very disruptive/violent.

I do agree that the TPP will be passed eventually.

 

[blastingcap]

This will get through, one way or another. Too much money at stake.

Stop being defeatist and write your Senator and Representative.

http://www.peopledemandingaction.org/campaigns/stop-tpp-fast-track/ - see your local politicians' positions

Write to them about how you oppose TPP:

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
http://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/

 

[werepossum]

This will get through, one way or another. Too much money at stake.

I suspect you are correct. Anything with majority opposition among the people and a lot of money to be made by the elite tends to have majority support among the two parties' leadership. They'll come together to pass it, then blame each other for it.

"I can tell you that Elizabeth Warren is right about her criticism of the trade deal. We should be very concerned about what's hidden in this trade deal—and particularly how the Obama administration is keeping information secret even from those of us who are supposed to provide advice.

So-called “cleared advisors” like me are prohibited from sharing publicly the criticisms we’ve lodged about specific proposals and approaches. The government has created a perfect Catch 22: The law prohibits us from talking about the specifics of what we’ve seen, allowing the president to criticize us for not being specific. Instead of simply admitting that he disagrees with me—and with many other cleared advisors—about the merits of the TPP, the president instead pretends that our specific, pointed criticisms don’t exist."

-- from the Politico article linked to, above

If Obama can prevent those specific, pointed criticisms from being aired, they effectively don’t exist. However, rest assure that when Obama reads about what he has done in the New York Times he'll be just as outraged as he needs to be - and blame Republicans for not creating a safety net to protect Americans from his own actions.

 

[boomerang]

However, rest assure that when Obama reads about what he has done in the New York Times he'll be just as outraged as he needs to be - and blame Republicans for not creating a safety net to protect Americans from his own actions.

There was a time when I'd get a chuckle out what you just said despite it being truth. Nowadays, no chuckle found. There is no longer anything humorous about Obama's behavior.

You forgot to mention that the Dem's will be nodding their heads in agreement with him but I guess after 6+ years of this guy it's both implied and understood. 538 days left.

 

[blastingcap]

538 days left.

Ugh, that many? Fucking depressing.

 

[boomerang]

Ugh, that many? Fucking depressing.

Oops, looks like I Googled the idiot site that thinks he leaves office on November 9th. It's actually 611 days. Sorry to make a bad thing worse.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama%20leaves%20office%22

 

[blastingcap]

Oops, looks like I Googled the idiot site that thinks he leaves office on November 9th. It's actually 611 days. Sorry to make a bad thing worse.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama%20leaves%20office%22

Yeah, inauguration day.

Edit to add: According to my own calculations, we have 612 days, as there is a leap year day in 2016.

612 days to go... ugh.

 

[werepossum]

There was a time when I'd get a chuckle out what you just said despite it being truth. Nowadays, no chuckle found. There is no longer anything humorous about Obama's behavior.

You forgot to mention that the Dem's will be nodding their heads in agreement with him but I guess after 6+ years of this guy it's both implied and understood. 538 days left.

Yep. That's pretty much D.C. so I don't really expect things to get any better come January 2017, just remain bad but in a few different directions. If we're coronating the Hildabeast things might well get worse, and I can't really think of any likely Pubbie President who would be markedly better either. Although at this point I'd take a little better and count myself lucky - at least if we can get an adult who can accept that the right lost on gay marriage rather than assuming he's the great social (in)justice warrior for whom the nation's been waiting.

 

[nickqt]

Yep. That's pretty much D.C. so I don't really expect things to get any better come January 2017, just remain bad but in a few different directions. If we're coronating the Hildabeast things might well get worse, and I can't really think of any likely Pubbie President who would be markedly better either. Although at this point I'd take a little better and count myself lucky - at least if we can get an adult who can accept that the right lost on gay marriage rather than assuming he's the great social (in)justice warrior for whom the nation's been waiting.

We need Republican adults in the room like the last self-annointed Republican adult in the room, like we need the F35 Lightning.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Even if you don't support everything this organization does its a great site to send your representatives a message about fast track and wanting to read the text before its approved. You do not have to donate.

http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=183

Trade approval bill is now in the house it has cleared the senate.

 

[blankslate]

If Obama really wants some agreement you can be 100% sure it either A) harms America B) helps enemies C) preferably does both. [/URL]

hey idiot, many republicans would like this to happen too... for example just about every republican in the senate... I guess they want to harm America as well. At least we now know the price the banksters wanted in exchange for supporting the President.

heard Wikileaks is offering a bounty for the rest of the TPP documents so they can leak them as well.

If you have a Republican Representative in the House then direct them to this site or use the language from it to express your opposition to www.obamatrade.com when you contact your representative.


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[BoberFett]

You do know that TPP has very high support among Republican pols and quite a bit less support from Democratic pols -- don't you?

That Obama is on the same side of the issue as most Republicans is an irony only when looked at from left or right. That Obama, a man that's taken hundreds of millions in campaign money from the very same people pushing deals like TPP make this less surprising.

Pro tip: Hillary will push for the same job killing deals as Obama, Bush (W), Clinton (Bill), Bush (HW), Reagan, etc. etc. etc...

And she will do so for the same reason ... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Brian

Sometimes I wonder on issues like this, are the "opposition" actually in opposition? Or do they just vote No because they're confident the issue will pass, and they can look as though they were actually standing up for a good cause?

Cynical? Yeah.

 

[dank69]

Sometimes I wonder on issues like this, are the "opposition" actually in opposition? Or do they just vote No because they're confident the issue will pass, and they can look as though they were actually standing up for a good cause?

Cynical? Yeah.

Also very convenient if you never want to admit that the Dems might be better for the country than the Republicans.

 

[michal1980]

Also very convenient if you never want to admit that the Dems might be better for the country than the Republicans.

how convenient for you to ignore that the leader of the democrats is pushing for this deal.