TPP Fast track

[FelixDeCat]

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[boomerang]

In regard to TPP, the House of Representatives passed legislation that will provide financial aid and training for those who were displaced by global trade.

Where will the money come from for this? Will we borrow more or print more? Or both?

 

[1prophet]

Don't you have to first be on the side of the middle class to be a traitor?

Neither party cares for us bud, we've been on our own for a LONG time. The job of the middle class is to not only take care of the poor but also the rich too.

This, the Democrats were the party of the middle class until about 30 years ago and things started to change when Reagan got in,

but before we all go on a Reaganonmics bash along with the foolishness that was trickle down, remember he achieved much with a Democrat controlled congress,

Even though Clinton signed NAFTA, and Obama is going to sign this agreement the same phony liberals are blaming and will blame the republican congress and senate yet blame Reagan alone for his follies.

This country went downhill, not when the republicans took over but when the democrats got bought out by the corporations while pretending to care about the middle class as is evident by some of the phoniest liberals commenting in this thread,

you know the same ones that are proud to support strong environmental regulations, high minimum wage and other worker rights, say they support and believe in unions, etc.,

and then turn around and support free trade agreements that undermine all of that and proceed to tell us it is good for us,

At least the Republicans don't pretend.

 

[michal1980]

This, the Democrats were the party of the middle class until about 30 years ago and things started to change when Reagan got in,

but before we all go on a Reaganonmics bash along with the foolishness that was trickle down, remember he achieved much with a Democrat controlled congress,

Even though Clinton signed NAFTA, and Obama is going to sign this agreement the same phony liberals are blaming and will blame the republican congress and senate yet blame Reagan alone for his follies.

This country went downhill, not when the republicans took over but when the democrats got bought out by the corporations while pretending to care about the middle class as is evident by some of the phoniest liberals commenting in this thread,

you know the same ones that are proud to support strong environmental regulations, high minimum wage and other worker rights, say they support and believe in unions, etc.,

and then turn around and support free trade agreements that undermine all of that and proceed to tell us it is good for us,

At least the Republicans don't pretend.

cant disagree with much of this.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Obama has failed the middle class.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/18/us-usa-obama-economy-idUSKBN0KR0HD20150118

Middle class decline looms over final years of Obama presidency

Barack Obama enters the final two years of his presidency with a blemish on his legacy that looks impossible to erase: the decline of the middle class he has promised to rescue.

The revival of middle-class jobs has been one of Obama's mantras since he took office in 2009 fighting the worst economic crisis in generations. It was a major theme of his last State of the Union address and is expected to feature in the one scheduled for Tuesday.

Administration officials said on Saturday the president would propose higher capital gains taxes, new fees on large financial firms, and other measures to raise $320 billion for programs and tax breaks aimed at the middle class.

Obama's administration can take credit for stabilizing the U.S. economy, which is growing again and last year added jobs at the fastest clip since 1999.

But for the middle class the scars of the recession still run deep. Federal Reserve survey data show families in the middle fifth of the income scale now earn less and their net worth is lower than when Obama took office.

In the six years through 2013, over the recession and recovery that have spanned Obama's tenure, jobs have been added at the top and bottom of the wage scale, a Reuters analysis of labor statistics shows. In the middle, the economy has shed positions - whether in traditional trades like machining or electrical work, white-collar jobs in human resources, or technical ones like computer operators.

The trend is in plain sight in Dalton, Georgia, a manufacturing hub 90 miles (145 km)north of Atlanta. Massive factories that made it "the carpet capital of the world," were slammed by the collapse of the housing bubble. During the recession, with machines idle, they began investing heavily in new technology and are now laying plans to restore some lost jobs.

But the new positions are more skewed to the high and low end, and there will be fewer of them per dollar of output than before the recession, said Brian Anderson, president of the Greater Dalton Chamber of Commerce.

"We can produce a whole lot of new carpet with not a lot more people," Anderson said. Companies have spent between $1.5 and $2 billion on retooling and innovation, reducing demand for labor, while higher than average regional unemployment continued to hold down wages, he said.

 

[werepossum]

This, the Democrats were the party of the middle class until about 30 years ago and things started to change when Reagan got in,

but before we all go on a Reaganonmics bash along with the foolishness that was trickle down, remember he achieved much with a Democrat controlled congress,

Even though Clinton signed NAFTA, and Obama is going to sign this agreement the same phony liberals are blaming and will blame the republican congress and senate yet blame Reagan alone for his follies.

This country went downhill, not when the republicans took over but when the democrats got bought out by the corporations while pretending to care about the middle class as is evident by some of the phoniest liberals commenting in this thread,

you know the same ones that are proud to support strong environmental regulations, high minimum wage and other worker rights, say they support and believe in unions, etc.,

and then turn around and support free trade agreements that undermine all of that and proceed to tell us it is good for us,

At least the Republicans don't pretend.

Well said. Although I disagree that the Republicans don't pretend.

 

[nageov3t]

a portion of TPP got leaked today --

http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/06/tpp-deal-leaked-pharma-000126?hp=t1_r

it shows the Obama admin working hard on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry to made it hard for TPP-countries to use generic drugs. definitely looking out for the little guy!

 

[Brainonska511]

a portion of TPP got leaked today --

http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/06/tpp-deal-leaked-pharma-000126?hp=t1_r

it shows the Obama admin working hard on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry to made it hard for TPP-countries to use generic drugs. definitely looking out for the little guy!

A lot of these countries are ignoring pharma patents on new drugs. If a drug company spends hundreds of millions developing a drug, why should another country immediately get to expropriate the property by making immediate generics?

I get these countries' concern, but the US consumer can't be the only one footing the bill for drug development. The US creates a lot of intellectual property. I would think that is in our national interest to protect that export.

 

[TheSlamma]

Just came in to check on how deep the dust was, our resident bias Dems can't touch this thread with a 10 footer can they?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'll admit I am disappointed by the results. Keep in mind nearly every Republican voted to approve it.
Again this is simply our representatives trying to hid their votes so they can act like the treaty changed if things go bad.
I am proud that none of Massachusetts representatives voted to support this piece of crap.

 

[dank69]

Just came in to check on how deep the dust was, our resident bias Dems can't touch this thread with a 10 footer can they?

I will make sure to vote GOP so shit like this doesn't happen in the future.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Just came in to check on how deep the dust was, our resident bias Dems can't touch this thread with a 10 footer can they?

Here are the only Senate Dems that voted for it (they joined every Republican):

The cloture vote, which was needed in order to proceed with a vote on fast track authority for the TPP, was narrowly passed at 60-37. All Senate Republicans and 13 Senate Democrats voted in favor of the motion to proceed. Democrats voting in favor of fast track included Senators Ron Wyden (D-OR), Michael Bennet (D-CO), Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Tom Carper (D-DE), Chris Coons (D-DE), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND), Claire McCaskill (D-MO), Bill Nelson (D-FL), Tim Kaine (D-VA), Patty Murray (D-WA), Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH) and Mark Warner (D-VA).

 

[sm625]

This country went downhill, not when the republicans took over but when the democrats got bought out by the corporations while pretending to care about the middle class as is evident by some of the phoniest liberals commenting in this thread

They arent the slightest bit phony. They know exactly what liberalism means: bigger government. You can never EVER run out of OPM. OPM sounds just like a drug. For them its even better than actual opium.

 

[TheSlamma]

I'll admit I am disappointed by the results. Keep in mind nearly every Republican voted to approve it.
Again this is simply our representatives trying to hid their votes so they can act like the treaty changed if things go bad.
I am proud that none of Massachusetts representatives voted to support this piece of crap.

Of course they did, it's a bill that fits their agenda. So my point that Dank n' Friends don't get is why did Obama do this? But they can't be mad at Obama, to them he shits rainbows.

 

[dank69]

Of course they did, it's a bill that fits their agenda. So my point that Dank n' Friends don't get is why did Obama do this? But they can't be mad at Obama, to them he shits rainbows.

I just said I would vote GOP from now on! What more do you want from me?

 

[lotus503]

I'm pretty sure the acknowledgement that TPP is a shit sandwich is bi-partisan?

 

[TheSlamma]

I just said I would vote GOP from now on! What more do you want from me?

Apparently everyone already did vote for the GOP, cause that is the results they got.

 

[TheSlamma]

I'm pretty sure the acknowledgement that TPP is a shit sandwich is bi-partisan?

The repubs are all over it with grins, the dems though want to ignore that it was an Obama bill since they know it's a bad deal for Americans but seems that doesn't matter to them $$$$

 

[lotus503]

The repubs are all over it with grins, the dems though want to ignore that it was an Obama bill since they know it's a bad deal for Americans but seems that doesn't matter to them $$$$

I should clarify, people not politicians.

everyone I have talked to about it thinks its awful from both sides of the spectrum.

 

[TheSlamma]

I should clarify, people not politicians.

everyone I have talked to about it thinks its awful from both sides of the spectrum.

I see my bad , yeah I agree with that.

 

[lotus503]

I see my bad , yeah I agree with that.

That's what makes it also outrageous its something people can all agree on for a change, yet the politicians don't give a shit.

If this isn't the shining example of whats wrong with government I don't know what is.

 

[dank69]

That's what makes it also outrageous its something people can all agree on for a change, yet the politicians don't give a shit.

If this isn't the shining example of whats wrong with government I don't know what is.

Just think, if Democrats controlled the House and/or Senate, maybe it would not have passed.

 

[TheSlamma]

That's what makes it also outrageous its something people can all agree on for a change, yet the politicians don't give a shit.

If this isn't the shining example of whats wrong with government I don't know what is.

As long as they keep the registered Dems and Repubs busy pointing the fingers at each other for issues that will never have an impact on the middle class they will have time to slip this stuff through.

Bias party voters don't seem to understand you can call out your representatives and hold them accountable even if they are part of your "party". This is why it's better to be an Indy, you don't have to subscribe to the ideology and instead of right vs left it becomes good idea vs bad idea.

 

[TheSlamma]

Just think, if Democrats controlled the House and/or Senate, maybe it would not have passed.

Seeing as how if those 13 Dems that did vote for it could have made it 47 to 50 and it's Obamas TPP bill.. we can file that under MAYBE at best.

 

[lotus503]

Just think, if Democrats controlled the House and/or Senate, maybe it would not have passed.

if congress wasn't a bunch of corportist whores then maybe.