Discussion Tom Brady should quit

[ondma]

I'm guessing the cheating scandals? Patriots were pretty dumb when it came to getting caught.

They did win the Super Bowl the same season as deflategate started and two times more after that. I am sure they were checking Tom's balls carefully in those games.

 

[Ajay]

We had a whole thread on this particular cheating by Mr. Brady.

"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

Cheaters!

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I know, but apparently I missed that particular turn of phrase.

 

[manly]

They made the point, Romo and Buck, that the cold toward the end accounted for the INTs. But yeah, Packers losing after those turnovers? Bad decision not to go for TD, also to go for a 2 pointer near end of 3rd quarter wasn't smart. That forced the 2 pointer they failed later as well.

1. Romo wasn't calling that game.
2. I'm pretty sure the book says go for 2 to make the game 25-28. Their #4 WR should have caught the pass. If it's in the first half, I'd kick the extra point. When it's relatively early in the game, it doesn't yet make game theoretical sense to make the lead/deficit a precise amount. Too many things can happen as the game progresses.
3. They never scored another TD, so obviously they didn't fail another 2PT conversion.

 

[13Gigatons]

"What asterisk?" I was going to post exactly the same thing. Seems to me Brady's legacy is already far above anyone else's as far as SB wins and appearances go. We have heard the "well if he wins this game, his legacy will be secure" for the last 2 or 3 superbowls. Anything he does now, is just icing on the cake.

I have to say though, if he doesn't get injured and keeps his head on straight, Mahomes has the potential to match or exceed Brady's super bowl win total.

You forgot the entirety of the team. Teams win Superbowl's. Mahomes is a good quarterback but he will need a strong team to make it to the Superbowl or even the playoffs.

 

[manly]

You forgot the entirety of the team. Teams win Superbowl's. Mahomes is a good quarterback but he will need a strong team to make it to the Superbowl or even the playoffs.

Nobody is forgetting this, but quite obviously it helps to have a once in a decade or generation talent at the most important position on the field. Only time will tell if Mahomes gets on Mt. Rushmore of QBs, but it's not hyperbole to say he's well on his way already.

"Mahomes is a good quarterback" LOL.

 

[ondma]

Nobody is forgetting this, but quite obviously it helps to have a once in a decade or generation talent at the most important position on the field. Only time will tell if Mahomes gets on Mt. Rushmore of QBs, but it's not hyperbole to say he's well on his way already.

"Mahomes is a good quarterback" LOL.

Yea, to me, Mahomes is in a class by himself as far as quarterbacks go, in the entire NFL (don't know how they give Rogers MVP, but it is what it is).
As far as the rest of the team, KC makes him even more deadly by having as much offensive talent as probably any other team in the league. I thought their defense might be a question mark, but they also played great against the Bills (who were perhaps a bit over rated).

 

[Torn Mind]

Mahomes is a proper football prodigy, a synthesis of previous great QBs but all in one body with practically no imperfections except top-end speed and the lack of "cool" that Joe Montana had.

He's a HOFer right now. Sometimes a body of work is small but the quality is great, just like Gale Sayers.

Just remember that KC was merely just "good" with Alex Smith, whose is bare minimum good QB. Mahomes creates opportunities and takes advantage of opportunities others cannot consistently.

 

[JEDI]

I thought their defense might be a question mark, but they also played great against the Bills (who were perhaps a bit over rated).

allen looked like a deer in headlights in that game. dont know what happened to him.
he had all the time in the world to throw and didnt. and to make it worse, it turned into sacks.

and when he did throw, he was off target lots of times.
wide open receivers had to reach/dive to make catches.

 

[BudAshes]

Nobody is forgetting this, but quite obviously it helps to have a once in a decade or generation talent at the most important position on the field. Only time will tell if Mahomes gets on Mt. Rushmore of QBs, but it's not hyperbole to say he's well on his way already.

"Mahomes is a good quarterback" LOL.

It will come down purely to health. If he keeps doing stupid shit that he does a lot with his runs he is going to age prematurely. He's not very fast so he relies on outthinking the defenders and using the rules that protect QB's against them, but he still gets hit enough that it is going to add up over time.

 

[JEDI]

It will come down purely to health. If he keeps doing stupid shit that he does a lot with his runs he is going to age prematurely. He's not very fast so he relies on outthinking the defenders and using the rules that protect QB's against them, but he still gets hit enough that it is going to add up over time.

how is brady healthy for most of his 20+ years?

 

[Muse]

how is brady healthy for most of his 20+ years?

He works hard at it. Nutrition is front and center. Look at him, he's leaner than ever right now, AFAIK. I'm sure he has personal trainers. He had IIRC a high school coach who tutored him on his mechanics, he was very dedicated and helped Tom through the years, finally dying a few years ago. Tom is dedicated, gives it his best. He wasn't a physical specimen when he came into the league. But he had self confidence, ambition, motivation and took it from there when NE drafted him. He told Robert Kraft, the owner, that he wouldn't regret having drafted him. Made damn good on that promise.

This is Tom's 10th Super Bowl. The other QBs should just quit.

 

[13Gigatons]

How is brady healthy for most of his 20+ years?

He has just been DAMN lucky. So many careers have been cut short. The NFL is brutal.

 

[Muse]

He has just been DAMN lucky. So many careers have been cut short. The NFL is brutal.

Some NFL QBs are much better than others at not getting injured. Look at Russell Wilson. I heard that he'd never missed a start. That's jaw dropping, and the guy's only 5'11", which is diminutive for an NFL QB. Gotta think he's just plain smart, NOT LUCKY. People who depend on luck are DUMB.

 

[ondma]

He has just been DAMN lucky. So many careers have been cut short. The NFL is brutal.

Of course he has been lucky, except for the one season he missed with the knee injury. But he is not a runner or even a scrambler, so that reduces and severity and the number of hits he takes. He also gets rid of the ball very quickly, and will throw it away instead of taking a sack. He has a (probably deserved) reputation of being a crybaby and the refs of protecting him, but I think he clearly should get more credit for his toughness and durability. And of course, all the rules are very favorable now to protect QBs and allow receivers to get open easily, which also allows QBs to get the ball out quickly.

 

[Muse]

Of course he has been lucky, except for the one season he missed with the knee injury. But he is not a runner or even a scrambler, so that reduces and severity and the number of hits he takes. He also gets rid of the ball very quickly, and will throw it away instead of taking a sack. He has a (probably deserved) reputation of being a crybaby and the refs of protecting him, but I think he clearly should get more credit for his toughness and durability. And of course, all the rules are very favorable now to protect QBs and allow receivers to get open easily, which also allows QBs to get the ball out quickly.

I haven't been watching a lot of the seasons, but in the playoffs I'm seeing a lot of handsy stuff from the secondary. I see guys who have their hands on a receiver right from the snap and throughout the pattern and don't get called. Elite receivers have something extra. Great speed or size and quickness, usually. Kelce and Hill, those guys are just unstoppable with an accurate QB.

 

[ondma]

I haven't been watching a lot of the seasons, but in the playoffs I'm seeing a lot of handsy stuff from the secondary. I see guys who have their hands on a receiver right from the snap and throughout the pattern and don't get called. Elite receivers have something extra. Great speed or size and quickness, usually. Kelce and Hill, those guys are just unstoppable with an accurate QB.

Yea, but you used to be able to actually hit ("chuck") them. You could also hit them a lot harder coming over the middle after the catch. (no "defenseless player" rule). I *was* surprised at how much the refs let the defensive backs get away with in the Tampa game. That PI that was called on GB (and they are so upset about) was clearly a penalty--you could see the receiver's jersey stretched out, but in the context of the other plays that day and in such a critical situation, I can see why GB is complaining. The int against Rogers could have also been called PI, although it was less obvious.

 

[Mai72]

brady will be playing fottball until he's 90.

 

[GrumpyMan]

Now I'm going to have delete all my Brady memes. Niece was a huge fan and I loved kidding her about Brady.

 

[Muse]

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Now I'm going to have delete all my Brady memes. Niece was a huge fan and I loved kidding her about Brady.

No matter what happens with Tom Brady from here on out, he will be the winningest. Another QB could emerge as as good or better but Tom in his day was unsurpassed and then some, and no, he ain't done.

 

[Torn Mind]

Yea, but you used to be able to actually hit ("chuck") them. You could also hit them a lot harder coming over the middle after the catch. (no "defenseless player" rule). I *was* surprised at how much the refs let the defensive backs get away with in the Tampa game. That PI that was called on GB (and they are so upset about) was clearly a penalty--you could see the receiver's jersey stretched out, but in the context of the other plays that day and in such a critical situation, I can see why GB is complaining. The int against Rogers could have also been called PI, although it was less obvious.

Without P. Manning whining, the NFL decided that 2002 Pats pass D techniques shall be reinstated at Tommy’s request but only for Tommy. Opponents must adhere to the post-Manning standard, however.

Also, Bucs O-line can hold at will.

 

[Muse]

OK, so who are you rooting for in the Super Bowl? Or are you going to try to be neutral (I have a tough time being neutral, at least thoroughly neutral).

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Lifelong NE fan here but even I have to root for Brady. I just like the fact that even without the Patriots he continues to piss everyone off in the rest of the league. Poor league, the old man is proving he can play with anyone and win. What'
s your QB's excuse?

 

[JEDI]

I think Brady picked tampa because their stadium will host the Superbowl.

If he gets to the Superbowl, then it'll be another bling to add to his resume.
1st qb to play in the Superbowl in his home stadium

 

[Torn Mind]

OK, so who are you rooting for in the Super Bowl? Or are you going to try to be neutral (I have a tough time being neutral, at least thoroughly neutral).

I'm all in on KC winning. Mahomes is a far more likable guy.

Tom comes off as that alpha exec who you know is good at what he does but a greasy, dirty bitch.

I also just don't like Tampa because the weirdest losses happen there to my football team, including that Oakland Super Bowl victory.

The Tampa cheerleaders had some really nice uniforms ten years ago, but that's gone.

 

[ondma]

I really wanted Brady to get another Super Bowl shot, and of the two AFC teams, I was rooting for either Buffalo or KC. (Well I would have loved Indy, Brady vs Rivers, two old school drop back passers, but it was very unlikely for Indy to make it.) So overall I am pretty happy at who made it. Best thing is that the Saints and Packers were both eliminated.