"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[Phoenix86]

How is something like a CBA contract "illegal and unethical" when written and agreed upon by hundreds of individuals?

When the terms violate the law.

I know it's sounds too simple, but that's because it's just that simple. You could have a brazillion people agree to the terms of a contract, but if it's illegal (as determined by the court) the contract is invalid.

In your super simple example of signing over all aspects of your life that would violate the 1st, 2nd, 13th, 21st and probably the 19th D) amendment at a minimum.

 

[SP33Demon]

So you're saying that the scores of lawyers for both the PA and the NFL all fucked up when they all signed the CBA? Nope. No amendments were violated according to the latest court ruling and getting the 2nd Circuit or even the SCOTUS (lol) to say some were is a monumentally low probability.

 

[Phoenix86]

So you're saying that the scores of lawyers for both the PA and the NFL all fucked up when they all signed the CBA? Nope. No amendments were violated according to the latest court ruling and getting the 2nd Circuit or even the SCOTUS (lol) to say some were is a monumentally low probability.

No, I'm saying you're understanding of contract law, and the court system is colossally incompetent.

I thought that was obvious.

 

[emperus]

If you feel this way, then why are you continuing to side with Brady and co?

A contract is a contract. Stick with it, don't go crying to an arbitrator every time something happens that you don't like but contractually agreed to.

I'm not sure what you mean by this post. I don't think you fully understand what arbitration is. I also hope that you are aware that binding arbitration is the contractual method to resolve contractual disagreements by the NFL and NFLPA. It is also a method an increasing number of corporations are forcing consumers to use.

Furthermore, you do know that language isn't always concise and not all contracts take into account every conceivable scenario. So how do you know something was contractually agreed upon if two parties have differing interpretations?

Here is good read on Arbitrations.

Arbitration Everywhere, Stacking the Deck of Justice

On Page 5 of a credit card contract used by American Express, beneath an explainer on interest rates and late fees, past the details about annual membership, is a clause that most customers probably miss. If cardholders have a problem with their account, American Express explains, the company “may elect to resolve any claim by individual arbitration.”

Those nine words are at the center of a far-reaching power play orchestrated by American corporations, an investigation by The New York Times has found.

By inserting individual arbitration clauses into a soaring number of consumer and employment contracts, companies like American Express devised a way to circumvent the courts and bar people from joining together in class-action lawsuits, realistically the only tool citizens have to fight illegal or deceitful business practices.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/01/b...ywhere-stacking-the-deck-of-justice.html?_r=0

 

[emperus]

The AFL-CIO also filed an amicus brief.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/lo...n_feinberg_back_tom_brady_in_deflategate_saga

 

[waggy]

The AFL-CIO also filed an amicus brief.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/lo...n_feinberg_back_tom_brady_in_deflategate_saga

No surprise. I expect more unions to back brady in this.

 

[emperus]

No surprise. I expect more unions to back brady in this.

I hope so. I think it's an interesting case.

And here is an old 60 minute clip on Deflategate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wls6WT0DrFM

 

[smackababy]

No surprise. I expect more unions to back brady in this.

As much as I don't give a shit about Brady, seeing Goodell with more egg on his face would just make my day. He's repeatedly demonstrated he doesn't know fuck all about these disciplinary shit. Like, why didn't he hire a fucking union lawyer after Ray Rice? Maybe, AP wouldn't have been fumbled like that. Maybe Greg Hardy wouldn't have been handled so poorly.

 

[emperus]

Kenneth Freinburg jumped in it as well. Some think brady now has 50%- 90% chance of an en banc hearing.

Kenneth Feinberg’s DeflateGate Amicus Brief Could Prove Significant In Tom Brady’s Fight
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/06/...inberg-amicus-brief-second-circuit-tom-brady/

 

[Adrenaline]

Appeal denied

 

[purbeast0]

lol heard this on the radio this morning. had to facepalm that this shit is still going on with absolutely zero proof of anything ever happening. although, it's now at the point that they aren't even talking about whether or not brady was involved in footballs being deflated, rather if goodell has the power to suspend brady or not.

 

[edro]

Brady, who signed a two-year contract extension during the offseason that dropped his 2016 salary from $9 million to $1 million to save himself almost $2 million in lost salary during the suspension, would then make his regular-season debut in Week 5 against the Cleveland Browns. His renegotiated deal deferred $8 million of his 2016 salary to later in the contract.

Interesting.
I didn't know they could do things like that.
The Pats probably wouldn't in most cases, but this one is special.

 

[CZroe]

lol heard this on the radio this morning. had to facepalm that this shit is still going on with absolutely zero proof of anything ever happening. although, it's now at the point that they aren't even talking about whether or not brady was involved in footballs being deflated, rather if goodell has the power to suspend brady or not.

When we get people rioting over the Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin lies, it makes perfect sense: The truth doesn't matter to some people. They WANT to be offended/angry.

 

[SP33Demon]

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the petition is denied.

Suck it up, Pats fans. You can argue until you're blue in the face but Brady lost and will be suspended for shady ass behavior like destroying evidence. Even funnier will be if Brady appeals to the SCOTUS, denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

 

[Phoenix86]

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the petition is denied.

Suck it up, Pats fans. You can argue until you're blue in the face but Brady lost and will be suspended for shady ass behavior like destroying evidence. Even funnier will be if Brady appeals to the SCOTUS, denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

Dude, seek help man. Seriously.

 

[SP33Demon]

lol heard this on the radio this morning. had to facepalm that this shit is still going on with absolutely zero proof of anything ever happening. although, it's now at the point that they aren't even talking about whether or not brady was involved in footballs being deflated, rather if goodell has the power to suspend brady or not.

I'm facepalming at your facepalm. Brady will be suspended with Garrappolo starting games 1-4. Reality bites, doesn't it? lol

 

[SP33Demon]

Dude, seek help man. Seriously.

derp derp

 

[SP33Demon]

 

[emperus]

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the petition is denied.

Suck it up, Pats fans. You can argue until you're blue in the face but Brady lost and will be suspended for shady ass behavior like destroying evidence. Even funnier will be if Brady appeals to the SCOTUS, denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

Are you even aware of your inconstancy? In one breath you support Trump because you believe the system is rigged in favor of the rich and powerful and he'll fix that, yet in this case you are applauding that rigged system. How more of a rigged system can there be when an employer can make up a reason to suspend you, appoint himself to hear the appeals and then hold a rigged appeals hearing where you don't get to see the evidence?

Really man, seeing the inconsistency shouldn't be that hard even for you.

 

[SP33Demon]

Are you even aware of your inconstancy? In one breath you support Trump because you believe the system is rigged in favor of the rich and powerful and he'll fix that, yet in this case you are applauding that rigged system. How more of a rigged system can there be when an employer can make up a reason to suspend you, appoint himself to hear the appeals and then hold a rigged appeals hearing where you don't get to see the evidence?

Really man, seeing the inconsistency shouldn't be that hard even for you.

The evidence, my dear friend emperus, was destroyed by Tom Brady. Nobody destroys a cell phone during an investigation, regardless of what people tell you (gullible Tom). That is evidence that can be used against you. Brady had to learn the hard way, he didn't cover his ass. That gave Goodell and the courts all the suspicion they needed to suspend him (regardless of whether he's innocent or not). There will be brighter days for Tom when week 5 starts, until then it's all in Prince Aladdin's hands!

 

[emperus]

The evidence, my dear friend emperus, was destroyed by Tom Brady. Nobody destroys a cell phone during an investigation, regardless of what people tell you (gullible Tom). That is evidence that can be used against you. Brady had to learn the hard way, he didn't cover his ass. That gave Goodell and the courts all the suspicion they needed to suspend him (regardless of whether he's innocent or not). There will be brighter days for Tom when week 5 starts, until then it's all in Prince Aladdin's hands!

We are talking about rigged systems here. You know a system where your employer appoints himself to hear the appeal, or denies you the opportunity to see the evidence against you or cross examine the people given testimony against you?

What you seem to miss is that Brady could be guilty(though the evidence doesn't support that) yet the process still be rigged. And being someone who keeps talking about Trump and how the game is rigged you should care not just about the outcomes of processes but the process itself (so that the outcomes are always fair). Because, it may be you in that situation or someone else who you may not believe is guilty.

I guess this question will help. Do you believe the process was fair (yes, no)?

 

[SP33Demon]

We are talking about rigged systems here. You know a system where your employer appoints himself to hear the appeal, or denies you the opportunity to see the evidence against you or cross examine the people given testimony against you?

What you seem to miss is that Brady could be guilty(though the evidence doesn't support that) yet the process still be rigged. And being someone who keeps talking about Trump and how the game is rigged you should care not just about the outcomes of processes but the process itself (so that the outcomes are always fair). Because, it may be you in that situation or someone else who you may not believe is guilty.

I guess this question will help. Do you believe the process was fair (yes, no)?

I love people who are stuck on trump when reality is that he is the candidate that can't be bought out.

The process was fair, yes. Under the CBA it was absolutely fair and the NFL ruled in a manner that appellate courts agreed with. Brady could have been innocent but without his cell phone (which deleted texts can be retrieved from btw), we will never know. Pick one: Either he was too stupid/ignorant to clear his own name by turning in the phone to prove innocence, or he was too smart to implicate himself by turning in a dirty cell phone. Because the possibility exists that he was smart by destroying the evidence, he was suspended by the NFL and the majority of the US 2nd Circuit Court agreed.

 

[Phoenix86]

derp derp

CBA only, this had nothing to do with the investigation, ball pressure, instruments, method of checking at all.

I posted this almost 3 months ago and you still have a raging boner over the evidence.

 

[SP33Demon]

I posted this almost 3 months ago and you still have a raging boner over the evidence.

Someone didn't read the District Court ruling. It was about the evidence as well. L2R

Pro-tip: Go back to post 2277.

 

[emperus]

I love people who are stuck on trump when reality is that he is the candidate that can't be bought out.

The process was fair, yes. Under the CBA it was absolutely fair and the NFL ruled in a manner that appellate courts agreed with. Brady could have been innocent but without his cell phone (which deleted texts can be retrieved from btw), we will never know. Pick one: Either he was too stupid/ignorant to clear his own name by turning in the phone to prove innocence, or he was too smart to implicate himself by turning in a dirty cell phone. Because the possibility exists that he was smart by destroying the evidence, he was suspended by the NFL and the majority of the US 2nd Circuit Court agreed.

I never asked you if it was fair under the CBA. I asked you if you believed the process was fair (without a CBA). (Yes, No). If your answer is Yes, do you think that the we as a society should adopt that process in our legal proceedings?

And I don't think you understand the meaning of Rigged. In a rigged system, the outcome is predetermined.