Nice ad hominem. Come back when you have something to actually add to the topic.
JujuFish
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Capt Caveman
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Pacfan: <posts meaningless information>
Juju: <points out meaningless information, whataboutism>
Pacfan: <oh yeah, but what about you>
You just used whataboutism to argue against my pointing out your whataboutism. Hilarious and now you use an ad hominem attack which you just accused me of doing. It gets even better!
JujuFish
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Perhaps you don't know what whataboutism is. Just because someone else does something wrong, that doesn't absolve your own wrongdoings. Got it now?
Well then toss out Aaron Rodgers, it's obvious the Pats coaches preach ball security and Brady (usually) won't throw very many int's. There's your turnover differential right there, anyone going with the "deflated ball's" bullshit is moronic at this point.
Correct. but tests from actual scientific institution's did not indicate any unusual pressure loss when the weather is taken into consideration. The NFL gathered PSI measurements for the following season, but declined to let anyone actually see them, why would that be?. Who knows if any balls were actually illegally adjusted and if they were it could not have been more than .5 PSI. Calling that "cheating" is kinda lame IMO.
JujuFish
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I made no claims about that, I'm just pointing out that finger wagging at other people doesn't change whether or not you did something wrong. Yes, it's quite possible that Rodgers has been outside of the required parameters. That doesn't mean anything regarding the New England situation. I live near Boston and I hear soooooooooo many whatabout arguments. It really is a favorite of Boston fans.
Well, that's probably true, it all stems from people thinking any Patriot success was done by "cheating" since the Spy-gate days. I think they just want to point out that other teams broke rules and were caught as well. I guess if those other teams have enjoyed the amount of success that the Pats have. they'd be hearing the same thing. Kinda goes with the territory as they say, but Bill B brought this all on the organization with knowingly breaking taping rules. He already had one of the best QB's in his pocket so the risk was foolish IMO.
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*WOOSH*
Double *WOOSH*
Right. You didn’t make any claims about the scientifically proven pressure loss. You completely ignored it and misunderstood the point: He wasn’t “finger wagging.” He was very particularly saying that NEITHER did anything wrong and that BOTH could find themselves under similarly unjustified scrutiny by morons who ignore the science (namely: YOU).
They each wanted opposite extremes within the guidelines. What happens after that due to weather, temperature, conditions, etc is out of their control. His entire point was that neither did anything wrong, not that someone else was doing wrong too (which incorrectly assumes Brady’s behavior was wrong). “Whataboutism” not found.
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Do you live in a cold environment? if so. go to walmart and buy a ball and psi meter. Fill it up. Let it sit a bit in the cold. Remeasure. Not rocket science, just science.
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You're kidding, right? "If they were, then so were the Packers" That's quite literally "what about the Packers". As you can see, I made no claims about whether or not the Patriots were wrong, just that using the Packers as a defense is no defense.
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That's cool. This has nothing to do with what I said, and thus does not contradict it in any way.
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No, I’m not kidding. Your presumption, even now, only makes sense with the moronic assumption that they both did something wrong. “Whataboutism” denies wrongdoing while pointing out another, allegedly more egregious, wrongdoer. It’s an attempt to show you that your perspective is skewed so that you will see that it’s NOT wrong and yet you dig in your heels with the original moronic assumption that it was wrong.
A reasonable person would not expect the pressure to stay the same in different environments. A reasonable person would assume that the minimum and maximum would be set within a tolerance for such changes or else the true minimum would be much higher and the true maximum would be much lower, right? Are you a reasonable person? Doesn’t sound like it.
JujuFish
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You keep trying to make the argument that I don't think temperature affects pressure. A reasonable person wouldn't do such a thing. Are you a reasonable person? Doesn't sound like it.
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*facepalm*
You’re officially talking in circles then. Congrats!
You know why BUTCH1 was compelled to tell you that? Because your attempt to call someone else a moron relied on the assumption that Brady was wrong, which means you still don’t accept that the pressure he wanted wasn’t wrong, which makes you as stubborn as a flat-Earth, anti-Vaxxer, science denier when you act like the two aren’t related in order to say that you don’t think that.
I spoke up because I saw moronic logic being used to call someone else a moron. To see you deny that logic in one breath while supporting it in another is amusing and tells me just how badly your call-out needed to be called-out. BUTCH1 already tried to reason with you. You rejected it.
JujuFish
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What are you even talking about? Where did I call anyone a moron? Where did I say pressure isn't affected by temperature? Are you sure you're not confusing me with someone else?
There is a facepalm here, and it's not me.
You all are. Sorry, but whatever failed logic (no idea where you're getting this "your logic is flawed" argument with regards to that poster) you think you were pointing out, you've just resorted to the same bullshit circular non-logic that people have been going on and on about over this.
You do realize BUTCH1 is actually talking about someone else, right? Granted he seems to be dumb enough that he too is making the same mistake (although he did finally seem to actually realize it, but people are defending him when he said the Pats never even cheated, and then turning around and trying to argue others had to apparently be cheating too in the same way). You guys act like JujuFish is the one that brought up the turnover thing. He's not. He literally only pointed out that going "yeah well what about Aaron Rodgers?" wasn't really an actual argument, let alone having fucking anything to do with logic. And then you group of dumbshits started piling on and throwing other arguments acting like he made them. He never fucking did.
Ironic how you fucking morons harp on logic when you can't even be bothered to read the goddamn thread and then you guys want to cop this attitude responding to people not even doing the things you claim? What the fuck? JHumeC some of you are straight fucked in the head and doing exactly what you're feebly trying to condemn others for.
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