Griese better than Brady? Please.. Bob Griese was a good quarterback, but Brady is much better than Griese ever was.
Griese better than Brady? Please.. Bob Griese was a good quarterback, but Brady is much better than Griese ever was.
The measure of a QB is like any other players, how does he suit up against other players, what are his statistics like, what was the level of team he played on (it's eaiser to be 'great' when your team if full of all-pros), and how long and productive was the career.
Vinny Testeverde and Dave Krieg are among the leaders all time in passing yards, but I don't think anyone mistakes them for one of the great QBs. So stats alone aren't the answer.
QB's are only one part of the team. Montana, Elway, Aikman, Staubach, Brady, et al all showed signs of mediocrity when their teams were in down years. QB's get the love but the fact is Trent Dilfer won a superbowl. He was a very average QB.
Longevity is a good indicator, but can you blame a guy like Theisman who had his leg shattered by LT? Sometimes good players' careers are stopped short and you don't know how long they could have done it.
This is incredibly subjective and there isn't a true answer. The more relevant question in my mind is who were the greatest organizations, the ones that put the best talent together and won the most games and championships. Ranking individual players in a team sport is near impossible.
Vinny Testeverde and Dave Krieg are among the leaders all time in passing yards, but I don't think anyone mistakes them for one of the great QBs. So stats alone aren't the answer.
QB's are only one part of the team. Montana, Elway, Aikman, Staubach, Brady, et al all showed signs of mediocrity when their teams were in down years. QB's get the love but the fact is Trent Dilfer won a superbowl. He was a very average QB.
Longevity is a good indicator, but can you blame a guy like Theisman who had his leg shattered by LT? Sometimes good players' careers are stopped short and you don't know how long they could have done it.
This is incredibly subjective and there isn't a true answer. The more relevant question in my mind is who were the greatest organizations, the ones that put the best talent together and won the most games and championships. Ranking individual players in a team sport is near impossible.
Well, it's just my subjective feelings based on actual obersvations.
I'm sure I left some out, but Greise and Plunkett are the kind of players I would want on my side. So is Brady, but since he plays in a different era, I can't say for sure he has the same grit, because grit isn't as important in sports these days.
Posing has replaced grit as a desirable quality in most walks of life.
nice observation.
with theisman tho, as good as he was, and he was very good. he still looked to me like an actor trying to be an athlete. he was too much of a pretty boy or something.
Chaotic42
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I'm beginning to think that Paul is a bot written by the Patriots' PR department. No one is going to argue that Brady isn't at least a good quarterback or that the Patriots aren't an excellent team, but really, you have them so overhyped that their reality could never hold a candle to your fantasy.
That said, he certainly has potential to reach the top 10 greatest ever... Maybe the top 5... Only time will tell.
That said, he certainly has potential to reach the top 10 greatest ever... Maybe the top 5... Only time will tell.
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Thank you! Football is a *team* game. Greatest team? Maybe, especially in the salary cap era. But greatest QB? No, not by a long shot. Put Brady on the Dolphins teams Marino QB'ed and see what he does without a running game, top tier defense, and quality coaching staff.
Jim Plunkett, Jim McMahon, Jeff, Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, and most of all, the most overrated QB of all time - Joe Namath. They all won rings but I don't think there's any doubt they all trail Marino & Kelly as QB's. Brady is just 1 of 22 starters. Superbowls are won by the team. It takes great management, coaching, and players to win it all. If you want to see how good a QB is look at his career statistics, period.
"If you want to see how good a QB is look at his career statistics, period."
I totally disagree with that. QB is about leadership, not passing statistics.
Namath was a great quarterback, because he was a leader.
Marino and Kelly made good teams worse by being on those teams.
I totally disagree with that. QB is about leadership, not passing statistics.
Namath was a great quarterback, because he was a leader.
Marino and Kelly made good teams worse by being on those teams.
how is that possible...is it marino's fault he had no running game until the twilight of his career...and is it kelly's fault that he had to go up against the NFC East in the 4 SB's he went to.....Namath is overrated...a one hit wonder, that came thru on his big mouth....
exactly, the cowboys were clearly better than the bills, top to bottom.
the only sb the bills were really the better team in was when they played the Giants and lost because of missed FG's. and yes, that was obviously Kelly's fault.
I tried to read this thread but so many of you people are morons I had to stop and reply.
1. Who the hell tried to say that if you give a QB more credit for having a ring it means you have to do the same for a linebacker? IDIOT! Its not a comparison.
2. Who the hell tried to say Aikman wasn't great? 1st ballot hall of fame?
3. Why do morons always try to break down great QB's that had good teams? It doesn't change the fact that they are/were great, just because they DIDN'T have to overcome a sucky ass team.
4. Jim Kelly is one of the greatest...HAHA! that one cracked me up. If you have 4 chances at the ring and you can't take over at least one of those games you are not one of the greatest. Not saying he wasn't great, just not one of the greatest.
edit: greatness takes over no matter who the opposition is
5. Joe Montana played in a great system with the best receiver of all time, therefore he wasn't great. Of course that is ludicrus, so why are you guys saying this about Brady?
I am not saying Brady is the greatest, but it is obvious to anyone that doesn't slobber on themselves when watching football that he IS great. He would be in the hall of fame if he retired today, and he will win at least 1 more superbowl. He is a machine.
disclaimer: I am not a Pats fan, so keep that talk outa here.
1. Who the hell tried to say that if you give a QB more credit for having a ring it means you have to do the same for a linebacker? IDIOT! Its not a comparison.
2. Who the hell tried to say Aikman wasn't great? 1st ballot hall of fame?
3. Why do morons always try to break down great QB's that had good teams? It doesn't change the fact that they are/were great, just because they DIDN'T have to overcome a sucky ass team.
4. Jim Kelly is one of the greatest...HAHA! that one cracked me up. If you have 4 chances at the ring and you can't take over at least one of those games you are not one of the greatest. Not saying he wasn't great, just not one of the greatest.
edit: greatness takes over no matter who the opposition is
5. Joe Montana played in a great system with the best receiver of all time, therefore he wasn't great. Of course that is ludicrus, so why are you guys saying this about Brady?
I am not saying Brady is the greatest, but it is obvious to anyone that doesn't slobber on themselves when watching football that he IS great. He would be in the hall of fame if he retired today, and he will win at least 1 more superbowl. He is a machine.
disclaimer: I am not a Pats fan, so keep that talk outa here.
ProfJohn
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If Brady is the "greatest" quarterback ever then why did the Pats miss the playoffs in 2002, the year after they won the SuperBowl?? And why did it take two last minute field goals for them to win?
Brady might be the best clutch quartback playing today, but certainly no where near the best ever.
Brady needs another Superbowl or a whole bunch more years in the playoffs to be on the "greatest" ever list.
Brady might be the best clutch quartback playing today, but certainly no where near the best ever.
Brady needs another Superbowl or a whole bunch more years in the playoffs to be on the "greatest" ever list.
Wreckage
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I would put Brady up at the top.
He could throw a completion to the kicker if he needed to, while other "great" quarterbacks rely on one target to help boost their numbers. (Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison, etc.).
Also, Brady already has HOF numbers and his career is only near it's midpoint.
He has done more in the last 5 years than most Quarterbacks do in their entire career.
What seals him as the greatest? He played at Michigan.
He may not get a 4th ring, but he will be in the playoffs.....a lot.
He could throw a completion to the kicker if he needed to, while other "great" quarterbacks rely on one target to help boost their numbers. (Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison, etc.).
Also, Brady already has HOF numbers and his career is only near it's midpoint.
He has done more in the last 5 years than most Quarterbacks do in their entire career.
What seals him as the greatest? He played at Michigan.
He may not get a 4th ring, but he will be in the playoffs.....a lot.
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