Tom Brady: Great Quarterback or Greatest Quarterback? With Poll!

[JujuFish]

Brady fell into the perfect system for his strengths, surrounded by a complete team.

 

[wheresmybacon]

Originally posted by: KK
great quarterback?? nah, i'd say one step above good.

agree

 

[mrizvi66]

Montana >*

 

[Jeeebus]

Greatest? Not by a long shot. Unless of course you're part of the PS2 generation of youth who were still suckling at their mother's teet while I was watching football.

 

[marvdmartian]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Syrch
I'd never put brady in teh same classification as Elway, Kelly, Farve (though he is done)...

Kelly never got the ring, I don't see how you can put him in the same category as brady

Using rings as the determining factor is overrated. There are a few dozen players that contribute to any football team's success. Then you have the coaches and the system they use. Then add in the fact that maybe you do have a great team and system, but on any given year there was another team that was just a little bit better overall, or maybe you just had some back luck along the way (e.g. inuries). Lots of things can contribute to a team's ability/inability to win the championship. Sure, the QB is one of the most important pieces, but I wouldn't ever say a lack of rings should be used to determine a player's worth or standing.

QFT

There's plenty of great qb's out there without rings. Elway was almost one of them! How about Dan Marino? Roger Staubach has a couple rings, if I remember right, and didn't play pro ball until after he served his agreed-upon 5 year hitch as a navy officer, even though he probably could have weasled out of it. Imagine what his stats might have been like with 5 more years playing time? I mean, there's plenty of qb's from the 60's and 70's (Bart Starr, Joe Namath, Kenny Stabler and others) that I would put in as good or better standing than Tom Brady, at least right now in his career.

Remember, Brady was more of an above average qb that was surrounded by the right people at the right time, much the same as the Cowboys' Troy Aikman was back in the early 90's. A few years in either direction can make a world of difference, ya know? In the early 90's, there wasn't much that could take down the Cowboys, when they had a young, talented, healthy team, and they have a bunch of rings to prove that. But a few years later, after some trades, injuries, and just general aging of the group, and they actually had to work at getting the job done, ya know?

Wait until Brady retires, then see how he stacks up against others. Calling him great or greatest right now is premature. Too many things could happen between now and then.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Syrch
I'd never put brady in teh same classification as Elway, Kelly, Farve (though he is done)...

Kelly never got the ring, I don't see how you can put him in the same category as brady

Using rings as the determining factor is overrated. There are a few dozen players that contribute to any football team's success. Then you have the coaches and the system they use. Then add in the fact that maybe you do have a great team and system, but on any given year there was another team that was just a little bit better overall, or maybe you just had some back luck along the way (e.g. inuries). Lots of things can contribute to a team's ability/inability to win the championship. Sure, the QB is one of the most important pieces, but I wouldn't ever say a lack of rings should be used to determine a player's worth or standing.

The whole point of playing is to get the ring! When you're the leader of the team who wins it all 3 times, and are JUST reaching your prime years, that's godlike.

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
He's the 2nd best QB of all-time, behind Montana

I'd agree with montana being no.1 but brady being 2nd is crazy.

How can you argue with 3 SB Rings and 2 Super Bowl MVP awards?

In that case, Troy Aikman is a great quarterback as well..

Many will argue that case though, only because of their hatred toward the Cowboys, ignoring the fact Aikman just recently was inducted into the NFL HOF.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
He's the 2nd best QB of all-time, behind Montana

I'd agree with montana being no.1 but brady being 2nd is crazy.

How can you argue with 3 SB Rings and 2 Super Bowl MVP awards?

In that case, Troy Aikman is a great quarterback as well..

Many will argue that case though, only because of their hatred toward the Cowboys, ignoring the fact Aikman just recently was inducted into the NFL HOF.

Aikman was a great QB

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
He's the 2nd best QB of all-time, behind Montana

I'd agree with montana being no.1 but brady being 2nd is crazy.

How can you argue with 3 SB Rings and 2 Super Bowl MVP awards?

In that case, Troy Aikman is a great quarterback as well..

Many will argue that case though, only because of their hatred toward the Cowboys, ignoring the fact Aikman just recently was inducted into the NFL HOF.

Aikman was a great QB

And if I was in the Cowboy's management, I sure in hell wouldn't kick Brady off the team. :thumbsup:

 

[Abel007]

Tom Brady is an excellent QB, but putting him in with the likes of Montana, Elway, and Staubach is a bit much at this time. I say ask this question in 6 years or so when he decides to hang up his cleets (wtf how do you spell that word? lol) and get an overview of his entire career.

 

[Miramonti]

Very good, with a shot at being ok.

 

[Drakkon]

goddam younguns... Johnny Unitas is and always will be the greatest QB ever

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Syrch
I'd never put brady in teh same classification as Elway, Kelly, Farve (though he is done)...

Kelly never got the ring, I don't see how you can put him in the same category as brady

So, glory = great?

 

[JulesMaximus]

He's great but not the greatest.

 

[Reckoner]

Brady's Postseason stats courtesy of Wiki:

NFL record for most consecutive wins in post season: 10 (broke record of Green Bay Packer Bart Starr).
NFL record 10?1 in the post-season
367 passes attempted
225 passes completed
2493 passing yards (226.6 ypg)
15 passing touchdowns
5 passes intercepted
73.7 passing attempts per interception in the post-season (lowest rate, NFL history (minimum 250 pass attempts): Bart Starr second with 71 attempts per post-season interception)
4 Pro Bowls
2 Super Bowl MVP awards
3 Super Bowl victories
Most completions in a Super Bowl

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Brady's Postseason stats courtesy of Wiki:

NFL record for most consecutive wins in post season: 10 (broke record of Green Bay Packer Bart Starr).
NFL record 10?1 in the post-season
367 passes attempted
225 passes completed
2493 passing yards (226.6 ypg)
15 passing touchdowns
5 passes intercepted
73.7 passing attempts per interception in the post-season (lowest rate, NFL history (minimum 250 pass attempts): Bart Starr second with 71 attempts per post-season interception)
4 Pro Bowls
2 Super Bowl MVP awards
3 Super Bowl victories
Most completions in a Super Bowl

And how many 4th quarter comebacks has he engineered vs the likes of Favre, Elway, Montana, and Marino? Rings are way way overrated b/c it's a function of a team (Brady in no way affects a team's DEFENSE), just as wins are for a pitcher in baseball.

Last but not least, the S.Bowl completion record, while impressive, was a direct result of the Pats' system of nickel and diming defenses to death with short completions. Very effective and you can say Brady was the best at it, but definitely not more impressive than 4th Q comebacks by the aforementioned 4 (IMO).

 

[five40]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
He's the 2nd best QB of all-time, behind Montana

I'd agree with montana being no.1 but brady being 2nd is crazy.

How can you argue with 3 SB Rings and 2 Super Bowl MVP awards?

That's a stupid argument. Then Willie McGinest is one of the greatest linebackers ever. Hell everyone on that team for those 3 SB rings is one of the greatest ever.

 

[James3shin]

I'd take P. Manning, Elway, Favre, Aikman, Marino, Montana and co. over Brady any day of the week in terms of QB ability.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: five40

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
He's the 2nd best QB of all-time, behind Montana

I'd agree with montana being no.1 but brady being 2nd is crazy.

How can you argue with 3 SB Rings and 2 Super Bowl MVP awards?

That's a stupid argument. Then Willie McGinest is one of the greatest linebackers ever. Hell everyone on that team for those 3 SB rings is one of the greatest ever.

Shhh....Don't give him any ideas.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: five40

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
He's the 2nd best QB of all-time, behind Montana

I'd agree with montana being no.1 but brady being 2nd is crazy.

How can you argue with 3 SB Rings and 2 Super Bowl MVP awards?

That's a stupid argument. Then Willie McGinest is one of the greatest linebackers ever. Hell everyone on that team for those 3 SB rings is one of the greatest ever.

Oh, everyone on the team has multiple Super Bowl MVP trophies?


Bottom line, that 2 minute drill during the 2001 Super Bowl was one of the most clutch drives ever, especially considering what he had to work with that year.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: five40

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
He's the 2nd best QB of all-time, behind Montana

I'd agree with montana being no.1 but brady being 2nd is crazy.

How can you argue with 3 SB Rings and 2 Super Bowl MVP awards?

That's a stupid argument. Then Willie McGinest is one of the greatest linebackers ever. Hell everyone on that team for those 3 SB rings is one of the greatest ever.

Oh, everyone on the team has multiple Super Bowl MVP trophies?

When was the last time any tackle or center ever got a MVP trophy?

 

[Reckoner]

Tom Brady is the 2nd best QB of all time, end of story.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Tom Brady is the 2nd best QB of all time, end of story.

lol, now that your done with telling stories, where do you place him?

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Tom Brady is the 2nd best QB of all time, end of story.

lol, now that your done with telling stories, where do you place him?

2nd behind Montana

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Tom Brady is the 2nd best QB of all time, end of story.

What a fscking Homer. I'm a Pats fan myself and I think Brady has the potential to be one of the greatest but to declare that now only demonstrates your ignorance.