Toddler kills his mother

[Nebor]

Guns go in holsters. Carrying a gun without the trigger guard covered is asking for a negligent discharge.

On the upside, I believe I've found this tike's soul mate.

 

[Nebor]

I find it very interesting that this point is typically blithely ignored by firearms advocates.

I'm not aware of anyone who claims to have accurately computed the percentage of firearms owners who "stupidly" or "carelessly" handle their firearms and/or ammo. But I would like to pose a question to firearms advocates:

Suppose this "stupid/careless" percentage were known accurately; at what threshold level for this percentage would you agree that a pre-condition for gun-ownership (a "license to purchase," if you will) should be (1) required firearms training (including safety training) plus (2) periodic rigorous written and physical tests to determine if the person really does know how to safely handle, carry, transport, and store firearms and ammunition?

Those requirements are fine for a license to carry, but not for simple ownership on their own property. If people want to be negligent and unsafe in their own homes and blast themselves or their family members, that's their business. If they want to carry a loaded weapon out into the public space, there should be some training and education required.

The woman in the OP was carrying her firearm in Idaho with a Washington concealed pistol license. Washington requires no training whatsoever in order to obtain a concealed pistol license. I think the Texas or New York requirements for concealed handgun licenses should be the gold standard: 4-8 hours of training with a shooting qualification, and make the total cost of the license (class, fingerprinting, license) in excess of $300 in order to keep riff raff from legally carrying weapons.

 

[Knowing]

Suppose this "stupid/careless" percentage were known accurately; at what threshold level for this percentage would you agree that a pre-condition for gun-ownership (a "license to purchase," if you will) should be (1) required firearms training (including safety training) plus (2) periodic rigorous written and physical tests to determine if the person really does know how to safely handle, carry, transport, and store firearms and ammunition?

Agreed 100%, as long as we apply the same logic to the 1st, 12th, 14th, 15th, 17th, 19th, 24th, and 26th amendments.

 

[Jmman]

That's why I don't shop at Walmart. It's always some redneck/lowlife sh!t going on.

Funny though, if you read some other articles she was a nuclear research scientist at the INL nuclear laboratory....not exactly a lowlife.......

 

[ch33zw1z]

Funny though, if you read some other articles she was a nuclear research scientist at the INL nuclear laboratory....not exactly a lowlife.......

So book smart, no common sense.

 

[Gerle]

Remember folks you or a loved one is 100 times more likely to be killed by your gun then they are from some criminals gun.

Are you sure about that?

 

[TreVader]

Yes not a lowlife just somebody who had no business carrying a gun on them, as 99.999% of Americans should also not be doing.

But please, let's here more arguments for why this child's death is OK and gun control is a horror worse than slavery!

 

[Caravaggio]

second page and Godwins law is invoked.

gj :whiste:

Sorry Mastershake. You seem to be playing Toronto rules. You should have held-up the red sign after post 45, if you were going to invoke 'Godwin's' on a later page.
Strictly speaking, the combination of an unchallenged Hitler AND a full 'Pol Pot' could leave you huff-able to a reverse Stalin, should any analogy with, or combination of, 'Ukraine/Putin/hunting rifle', rear its head at a later stage.
I'm afraid that you must either reveal or discharge your handgun before you can pass 'Go'.

 

[Nebor]

Yes not a lowlife just somebody who had no business carrying a gun on them, as 99.999% of Americans should also not be doing.

But please, let's here more arguments for why this child's death is OK and gun control is a horror worse than slavery!

What child's death?

 

[master_shake_]

Sorry Mastershake. You seem to be playing Toronto rules. You should have held-up the red sign after post 45, if you were going to invoke 'Godwin's' on a later page.
Strictly speaking, the combination of an unchallenged Hitler AND a full 'Pol Pot' could leave you huff-able to a reverse Stalin, should any analogy with, or combination of, 'Ukraine/Putin/hunting rifle', rear its head at a later stage.
I'm afraid that you must either reveal or discharge your handgun before you can pass 'Go'.

i know some of these words!

:awe:

 

[master_shake_]

Yes not a lowlife just somebody who had no business carrying a gun on them, as 99.999% of Americans should also not be doing.

But please, let's here more arguments for why this child's death is OK and gun control is a horror worse than slavery!

the child killed the mom.

not on purpose.

matricide is not a 2 year olds bag.






Baby...

 

[Mixolydian]

I would've killed my mother too.

Bitch probably deserved it.

 

[Caravaggio]

i know some of these words!

:awe:

Com'on, you knew em all!
Just the darn order of 'em was awl that hadya foxed.
You take care wid dem two year ols. Toddler down here foun dadd'ys pump-action Savage, full high-brass 3" chambers, took out the whole Mall.
Coulda bin wurz. He weren't never tort bout re-lodin.

Have a most excellent New Year. Felicitations to all who hold you dear.

 

[Gerle]

Clearly this country needs better firearms training for infants...

Were you too busy writing silly stuff rather than paying attention to what actually happened?

But please, let's here more arguments for why this child's death is OK and gun control is a horror worse than slavery!

Child...

 

[WackyDan]

Funny though, if you read some other articles she was a nuclear research scientist at the INL nuclear laboratory....not exactly a lowlife.......

Nevermind....

Here she is...

http://shopatmain.com/ao/news/2014/12/31/Veronica Rutledge.htm

Ahem....

"She was also a responsible gun owner, her father-in-law said."

Yeah right. Sorry... she wasn't properly carrying and she wasn't in immediate physical control of her firearm near a child.

 

[Subyman]

Stewie finally did it!

 

[sportage]

Obviously the NRA convinced this 2 year old that his mom was the enemy.
The tactic typical of the NRA.

 

[Zorkorist]

Stewie finally did it!

:up:

-John

 

[DrDoug]

Nevermind....

Here she is...

http://shopatmain.com/ao/news/2014/12/31/Veronica%20Rutledge.htm

Ahem....

"She was also a responsible gun owner, her father-in-law said."

Yeah right. Sorry... she wasn't properly carrying and she wasn't in immediate physical control of her firearm near a child.

I used to feel sorry for those involved when I heard of things like this but I gave that up a long time ago. I have no problem with gun ownership as I own more than a few myself, but I do have a problem with people having guns and not treating them like the deadly weapons that they are. A responsible gun owner would never let something like this happen, nor would they let the multitude of gun incidents happen like they do every day in this country. That's why I generally don't give a shit about those involved in cases like this though I do feel sorry for the child here (and the children who were present when this happened). He is going to want his Mom and she's gone. The person who is responsible for the incident is dead but it's almost inevitable that this kid will blame himself for her death.

Odds are his life is fucked. At the age of two.

Everyone is a responsible gun owner until they're not. Gun owners like these give responsible gun owners a bad name. I hear of guys sitting down in restaurants and having a gun fall out of their pocket and hit the ground. I hear about neighbors "accidentally" wounding or killing their neighbors. Accident my ass, it is almost always negligence. Too many incompetent fuckwits have guns and have no idea what really being responsible for a weapon is all about.

I saw the local news stream (we have family in that area and are originally from Spokane). The talking head talked about what a tragedy this was and how she was a responsible gun owner and had taken steps specifically to prevent something like this from happening.

I just about died laughing.

 

[Zorkorist]

Accidents happen.

Take out gun from your post, and replace it with car.

-John

 

[Blanky]

Accidents happen.

Take out gun from your post, and replace it with car.

-John

This is pointless to say because the inherent assertion you're making is that people who are against gun deaths are not against automobile deaths.

The truth is that despite huge gun ownership rates in the US the chances of a gun owner legitimately using their gun for self defense in their life are extremely small--way, way lower than 1%. There are a huge number of family members killed with guns through accidents.

I really do support the 2nd, but these kinds of idiotic accidents don't need to happen. People need more training before carrying a gun. Gun owners might not even dislike this, as with less accidents there will be less of a target on their chest by gun grabbers.

People get stupid around guns. As a kid I had no problem shooting pieces of metal at 10 feet with a bb gun and laughing as the bbs flung back toward me, missing my eye. And I'm not a stupid guy, but people get used to these, rather like a carpenter who's used his table saw so many times he no longer respects it (and so we have literally thousands of table saw injuries each year).

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Nevermind....

Here she is...

http://shopatmain.com/ao/news/2014/12/31/Veronica Rutledge.htm

Ahem....

"She was also a responsible gun owner, her father-in-law said."

Yeah right. Sorry... she wasn't properly carrying and she wasn't in immediate physical control of her firearm near a child.

She's pretty much a textbook example of an irresponsible gun owner, unfortunately. It's not like the child accidentally got a hold of a marker and started drawing on walls, floors, appliances, etc. It was an unsecured gun, and that in itself, makes her irresponsible.

 

[notposting]

Saw in the local area news report it was supposedly a purse with a special gun compartment (ie zippered pouch). However, that's no more secure than a holster would be if you leave the holster unattended.

As for one in the chamber, especially around children...IF you wanted to do that, seems to me a gun with a safety would be a far more obvious choice then. You are still basically instantly ready to fire without having to chamber a round. But should, you know, slow down the 2 year old.

 

[Subyman]

So book smart, no common sense.

Probably fine with common sense. You don't get far in nuclear without common sense. She probably didn't get proper gun safety training. Ignorance in one area (gun safety) doesn't mean she was a moron or lacked common sense. I take for granted that I was born into a family that is familiar with guns. Some people have no clue about them.

 

[TreVader]

Were you too busy writing silly stuff rather than paying attention to what actually happened?

Child...

No reason why that baby had to die besides misplaced machismo from guys who need a gun to feel powerful.



Maybe I am a child but at least I'm not a pussy like you guys. I'm not afraid to walk around LBC unarmed, not sure why anybody would be but I guess I should ask somebody with a tiny dick...


SO Gerle why are you so afraid to walk around lily-white no crime Ft. Worth without a giant codpiece and rifle?