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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Y'know... If a conservative had come in here and posted an op ed from Ann Coulter you would have immediately responded with a "Pffft... Ann Coulter. Great. :disgust: " But then OP has the nerve to cite Kitty freekin' Kelly and Paul Krugman of all people and try to pass them off as though their opinions are legitimate discussion topics.

Pot meet Kettle. Kettle, Pot.

Where have I cited Kitty Kelley or Paul Krugman? What the hell are you talking about?

Edited: Got you mixed up with OP
 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: Corn

Because I did not tell you why he was banned does not mean I don't know why. You make all the assumptions you wish, the fact is that he is a banned troll who is allowed back on this forum.


I'll have to side with the Don on this.
Could you prove it conclusively in a Court of Law, or is it merely speculation on your part and circumstantial evidence ?
Now we play the "proof" game, another example of skew in this forum. Corn provided the same sort of evidence DV provided in his accusation concerning John Galt and whatever his new moniker was. Why did nobody question DV in the same manner? And anyone glancing at the styles of BBOND and BOBDN would have little doubt they are one in the same. It's not even a mental challenge nor any sort of stretch unless you simply refuse to be truthful about it.

Besides that, one particular side is famous in here for making the "Who were you before you were banned?" accusation. I've been accused of it numerous times, even by DonVito. It seems certain people don't like the accusation when the tables are turned though.
 
The thing that really helped convinced me of the slippage of the nation is that a lot of (IMO) real conservatives have come out strongly against Bush and his elite. Just take a look at any issue of the American Conservative or Pat Buchanan's site the American Cause and you will see PO'ed conservatives. But people like Rush and Coutler are still playing the game.

http://www.amconmag.com/index.html
http://www.theamericancause.org/
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Corn
YGPM Kirk.

Why don't I? I sent you one. Why don't you say why BBond was banned, if you know?

Something appears to be lost in translation somewhere. I got the opinion from Kirk that he didn't believe that BOBDN was ever banned. I simply gave him evidence that BOBDN was banned, I didn't provide commentary regarding what the actual offense was that got him banned.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Now we play the "proof" game, another example of skew in this forum. Corn provided the same sort of evidence DV provided in his accusation concerning John Galt and whatever his new moniker was. Why did nobody question DV in the same manner? And anyone glancing at the styles of BBOND and BOBDN would have little doubt they are one in the same. It's not even a mental challenge nor any sort of stretch unless you simply refuse to be truthful about it.

Besides that, one particular side is famous in here for making the "Who were you before you were banned?" accusation. I've been accused of it numerous times, even by DonVito. It seems certain people don't like the accusation when the tables are turned though.

Just to be clear, I have no earthly idea if BBond is a returning banned member. I think the evidence Corn has posted suggests he is. Corn has not said one word about WHY BBODN was banned, which strikes me as relevant.

As for the allegation that the board's liberal members are more inclined to call out returning banned trolls, that's probably true. That said, it seems to me the overwhelming majority of returning banned trolls have been conservatives, so it becomes a chicken-vs-egg question.
 
Originally posted by: azazyel
The thing that really helped convinced me of the slippage of the nation is that a lot of (IMO) real conservatives have come out strongly against Bush and his elite. Just take a look at any issue of the American Conservative or Pat Buchanan's site the American Cause and you will see PO'ed conservatives. But people like Rush and Coutler are still playing the game.

http://www.amconmag.com/index.html
http://www.theamericancause.org/

Amercan Conversative is one of my favorite political magazines to read. If Buchanan wasn't such a Christian, he'd make a great president.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: Corn

Because I did not tell you why he was banned does not mean I don't know why. You make all the assumptions you wish, the fact is that he is a banned troll who is allowed back on this forum.


I'll have to side with the Don on this.
Could you prove it conclusively in a Court of Law, or is it merely speculation on your part and circumstantial evidence ?
Now we play the "proof" game, another example of skew in this forum. Corn provided the same sort of evidence DV provided in his accusation concerning John Galt and whatever his new moniker was. Why did nobody question DV in the same manner? And anyone glancing at the styles of BBOND and BOBDN would have little doubt they are one in the same. It's not even a mental challenge nor any sort of stretch unless you simply refuse to be truthful about it.

Besides that, one particular side is famous in here for making the "Who were you before you were banned?" accusation. I've been accused of it numerous times, even by DonVito. It seems certain people don't like the accusation when the tables are turned though.

Conversed with Corn by PM - I don't have an issue with him or his opinion.

as to BushBasha / 'XXGAULTXX' - he pretty much busted himself on this one,
and he had a fight going on with someone who was in a position of inside knowledge.
Now, I don't know (or care) if his returning alter-ego was snuffed by the mods,
but he's not been 'active' since - it may have been his choice to tuck tail & hide.



 
Originally posted by: EatSpam


Amercan Conversative is one of my favorite political magazines to read. If Buchanan wasn't such a Christian, he'd make a great president.

Exactly, I cringe when I hear his social views but his fiscal policies are impressive.
 
Originally posted by: azazyel
Originally posted by: EatSpam


Amercan Conversative is one of my favorite political magazines to read. If Buchanan wasn't such a Christian, he'd make a great president.

Exactly, I cringe when I hear his social views but his fiscal policies are impressive.

Honestly, reading his values page, I didn't see much I truly disagreed with. Like I said, if he'd keep his religion to himself... 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
KITTY KELLEY
PAUL KRUGMAN
BOB HERBERT

LMAO dont you mean Three Stooges?


And what's different from:

Broder
Brooks
Novack

Perspective ?

Kinda expected you to include the infamous Mareen Dowd in your Liberal Hack list.

Might as well include Will too.

Gosh, Beaver, you mean in the US of A you're not entitled to an OPINION ?
 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: Genx87
KITTY KELLEY
PAUL KRUGMAN
BOB HERBERT

LMAO dont you mean Three Stooges?


And what's different from:

Broder
Brooks
Novack

Neither of them wrote the above articles???
Perspective ?

See above

Kinda expected you to include the infamous Mareen Dowd in your Liberal Hack list.

Might as well include Will too.

Gosh, Beaver, you mean in the US of A you're not entitled to an OPINION ?

Who said they werent entitled to their opinion?
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: Corn
If it makes you angry BOBDN, it makes me happy. I need to defend nothing, I simply delight in your agony.


intelligent.


And you sir, are a damned good judge of horse flesh.
 
Well, in the spirit of actual opinion and discussion:

I have long argued that the veil of secrecy surrounding the current Administration must be indicative of actions and policies that would be rejected by the general population if subjected to the light. Many claims of "national security" reasons have proved to be transparently false. Since I am aware that both terrorists and criminals find such secrecy necessary to carry out their nefarious plans, I would assume a similar necessity by the Administration since no other reasonable explaination has been offered.

It does not take a rocket scientist to see that the administration has steered a steady course in offering tax cuts to the rich (and government givebacks to large corporations), and expanding federal spending to the point that funding "needs" to be cut for domestic programs that benefit the common citizen. The only time we ever hear of fiscal restraint or prudent spending is when they are about to cut something for the ordinary people. GWB has certainly "stayed the course" on this issue.

Since GWB has yet to use his veto power, I would assume that if he were to use it, it must be against something of extraordinary importance to him. To offer to use it against a bill that would hold the country to internationally accepted treatment of prisoners speaks volumes. Humane treatment of people is a cornerstone of what is considered a modern civilized society. GWB has announced to the world that our country rejects rejects that idea. Our "values" President has lowered the bar for what is considered moral actions by a government.

I am personally appalled and discusted by the actions of our current leaders.
 
Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: Corn
If it makes you angry BOBDN, it makes me happy. I need to defend nothing, I simply delight in your agony.


intelligent.


And you sir, are a damned good judge of horse flesh.


well if you would have just read the material and gave us your opinion of the post instead of just pointing out that you do not like the OP....

anyway i'm not here for this kind of bickering so sorry, i reacted before i thought so i'm just as guilty.
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: Corn
If it makes you angry BOBDN, it makes me happy. I need to defend nothing, I simply delight in your agony.


intelligent.


And you sir, are a damned good judge of horse flesh.


well if you would have just read the material and gave us your opinion of the post instead of just pointing out that you do not like the OP....

anyway i'm not here for this kind of bickering so sorry, i reacted before i thought so i'm just as guilty.


Don't worry yourself JM. Just a quick question though, what do you think of the OP's own commentary in the OP? Here's a refresher:

....this once great nation has followed George W. Bush down a hole and into a Rovian world where up is down, peace is war, good is evil....

...Our nation has been taken over by a band of criminals from Texas.

People, Karl Rove is a nasty back stabbing sissy, the kind of kid who most of us would have beat up after school if he tried to pull his BS on us. George W. Bush is a smarmy preppie who never had to even consider accountability throughout his entire life.
 
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: azazyel
Originally posted by: EatSpam


Amercan Conversative is one of my favorite political magazines to read. If Buchanan wasn't such a Christian, he'd make a great president.

Exactly, I cringe when I hear his social views but his fiscal policies are impressive.

Honestly, reading his values page, I didn't see much I truly disagreed with. Like I said, if he'd keep his religion to himself... 🙂

Nor do I, it's just gay marriage and abortion that loose it for me. And I get scared when people say this.

We believe that America's prosperity and progress hinge on our fidelity to founding principles: national independence, limited government, individual liberty, and traditional morality.
 
Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: Corn
If it makes you angry BOBDN, it makes me happy. I need to defend nothing, I simply delight in your agony.


intelligent.


And you sir, are a damned good judge of horse flesh.


well if you would have just read the material and gave us your opinion of the post instead of just pointing out that you do not like the OP....

anyway i'm not here for this kind of bickering so sorry, i reacted before i thought so i'm just as guilty.


Don't worry yourself JM. Just a quick question though, what do you think of the OP's own commentary in the OP? Here's a refresher:

....this once great nation has followed George W. Bush down a hole and into a Rovian world where up is down, peace is war, good is evil....

...Our nation has been taken over by a band of criminals from Texas.

People, Karl Rove is a nasty back stabbing sissy, the kind of kid who most of us would have beat up after school if he tried to pull his BS on us. George W. Bush is a smarmy preppie who never had to even consider accountability throughout his entire life.

Couldn't you just look at that as calling um like you see um? If you get past the pejoritive terms, what do you disagree with? It looks pretty spot on to me.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
I find it funny, and not a little ironic, that the latest right-wing gambit is to accuse liberals of "hatred." You hear it all the time. Here, though, we have a conservative poster, adding NOTHING to the discussion, saying "If it makes you angry BOBDN, it makes me happy. I need to defend nothing, I simply delight in your agony."

What a world!

Sounds kind of like you.
 
I think the radicals have taken over both parties, and they should both be abandoned. Bush is guilty as charged, but he's not alone, it's a continuing process since around the end of WWII. I'm sick of the whole process.
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
I think the radicals have taken over both parties, and they should both be abandoned. Bush is guilty as charged, but he's not alone, it's a continuing process since around the end of WWII. I'm sick of the whole process.

:thumbsup: Time for a revolution. One if by land, two if by sea? Who's with me?

 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
I think the radicals have taken over both parties, and they should both be abandoned. Bush is guilty as charged, but he's not alone, it's a continuing process since around the end of WWII. I'm sick of the whole process.
Personally I remain convinced that if we can get corporations to abandon the profit motive and work for the good of humanity we can get them to buy us a new kind of leadership from the ones they pick now. 😉

 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: judasmachine
I think the radicals have taken over both parties, and they should both be abandoned. Bush is guilty as charged, but he's not alone, it's a continuing process since around the end of WWII. I'm sick of the whole process.
Personally I remain convinced that if we can get corporations to abandon the profit motive and work for the good of humanity we can get them to buy us a new kind of leadership from the ones they pick now. 😉


I don't claim to have the answers, I just recognize the problem. I know it sounds fanciful, but I would like to see some honest politicians.
 
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