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Those whacky Californians are at it again...

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it seems there are enough problems getting the 18-25 year-old population to vote. why bother with 14-17 year olds?

i say let them vote... i don't think any of them will actually do it if allowed.
 
Said Assemblyman Ray Haynes: "There's a reason why 14-year-olds and 16-year-olds don't vote. They are not adults. They are not mature enough. They are easily deceived by political charlatans."
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Um, no. Kids are KIDS. They have less life experience, less wisdom and their BS detectors are still growing.
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I heard somewhere that its a biological phenomenon, that as soon as 18 years pass from the time of birth, a person's neural cortex restructures itself. This restructuring produces new neural connections and alters perception of everything around them (except the taste of french fries). As a result of this restructuring, people are able to cope with situations in a more mature manner, making them what we call adults. But this phenomenon will never occur anytime before the age of 18.
 
Originally posted by: TheChort
Said Assemblyman Ray Haynes: "There's a reason why 14-year-olds and 16-year-olds don't vote. They are not adults. They are not mature enough. They are easily deceived by political charlatans."
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Um, no. Kids are KIDS. They have less life experience, less wisdom and their BS detectors are still growing.
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I heard somewhere that its a biological phenomenon, that as soon as 18 years pass from the time of birth, a person's neural cortex restructures itself. This restructuring produces new neural connections and alters perception of everything around them (except the taste of french fries). As a result of this restructuring, people are able to cope with situations in a more mature manner, making them what we call adults. But this phenomenon will never occur anytime before the age of 18.
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The rules are arbitrary because no one entity can be trusted to, or burdened with the responsibility to individually decide when millions of individuals are mature enough to drink, smoke, go to war, or vote.

Nice try at humor, though.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: TheChort
Said Assemblyman Ray Haynes: "There's a reason why 14-year-olds and 16-year-olds don't vote. They are not adults. They are not mature enough. They are easily deceived by political charlatans."
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Um, no. Kids are KIDS. They have less life experience, less wisdom and their BS detectors are still growing.
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I heard somewhere that its a biological phenomenon, that as soon as 18 years pass from the time of birth, a person's neural cortex restructures itself. This restructuring produces new neural connections and alters perception of everything around them (except the taste of french fries). As a result of this restructuring, people are able to cope with situations in a more mature manner, making them what we call adults. But this phenomenon will never occur anytime before the age of 18.
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The rules are arbitrary because no one entity can be trusted to, or burdened with the responsibility to individually decide when millions of individuals are mature enough to drink, smoke, go to war, or vote.

Nice try at humor, though.
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Thanks

I accept the rules for what they are, and I wasn't trying to attack them. My "attack" was geared towards those people who don't realize the rules are arbitrary, and that it is possible to have a mature 16 year old (more mature than some 20-25 year olds I know).
 
"Said Assemblyman Ray Haynes: "There's a reason why 14-year-olds and 16-year-olds don't vote. They are not adults. They are not mature enough. They are easily deceived by political charlatans.""

You can replace 14 and 16 with 24 and 46 and it'd still make sense. 🙂

Not that I support this idea - 18 should remain the minimum voting age.

Any if anyone cares, I usually tend to lean to the Democratic side, though I don't like the partisan system we have, and I'm 22.
 
Originally posted by: TheChort
Said Assemblyman Ray Haynes: "There's a reason why 14-year-olds and 16-year-olds don't vote. They are not adults. They are not mature enough. They are easily deceived by political charlatans."
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Um, no. Kids are KIDS. They have less life experience, less wisdom and their BS detectors are still growing.
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I heard somewhere that its a biological phenomenon, that as soon as 18 years pass from the time of birth, a person's neural cortex restructures itself. This restructuring produces new neural connections and alters perception of everything around them (except the taste of french fries). As a result of this restructuring, people are able to cope with situations in a more mature manner, making them what we call adults. But this phenomenon will never occur anytime before the age of 18.
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I love this. i take this same approach with my wife when it comes to giving medicine or other "age-related" things with our kids.

Me: "Give him a teaspoon of this cough syrup. It should help."
Wife: "NO! <smack> the bottle clearly states that 1/2 teaspoon be give between ages 2-6 and his 6th birthday isn't until tomorrow!"
Me: 😕
 
Originally posted by: SweetSweetLeroyBrown
California is the most prosperous state in the nation period. All you haters are just jealous suckaz.
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Why would I be jealous? I grew up there.

As for prosperity... what good is it when you have to spend it all on housing and taxes? A shack goes for a half million.

No thanks.
 
WTF? That gets a NO on my ballot, but I'm always a man of compromise.

If they allow 14 yr old kids to vote, they assume that 14 yrs old kids are informed enough to make a rational choices.
If that is the case, then I say they should make ALL people >= 14 yrs old be tried as adults in law.

It's only fair.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: SweetSweetLeroyBrown
California is the most prosperous state in the nation period. All you haters are just jealous suckaz.
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Why would I be jealous? I grew up there.

As for prosperity... what good is it when you have to spend it all on housing and taxes? A shack goes for a half million.

No thanks.
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Yep. Who cares if you make twice as much when it costs 3 times as much to live there?
 
Originally posted by: TuxDave
WTF? That gets a NO on my ballot, but I'm always a man of compromise.

If they allow 14 yr old kids to vote, they assume that 14 yrs old kids are informed enough to make a rational choices.
If that is the case, then I say they should make ALL people >= 14 yrs old be tried as adults in law.

It's only fair.
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Actually, your proposal is incomplete

If a 14 year old's vote is only worth 1/4 of an adult vote, than a 14 year old's jail sentence should only be 1/4 of an adult's jail sentence. ANd the 14 year old's prison should only be 1/4 as bad as an adult prison. lol
 
Originally posted by: SweetSweetLeroyBrown
Originally posted by: TuxDave
WTF? That gets a NO on my ballot, but I'm always a man of compromise.

If they allow 14 yr old kids to vote, they assume that 14 yrs old kids are informed enough to make a rational choices.
If that is the case, then I say they should make ALL people >= 14 yrs old be tried as adults in law.

It's only fair.
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Actually, your proposal is incomplete

If a 14 year old's vote is only worth 1/4 of an adult vote, than a 14 year old's jail sentence should only be 1/4 of an adult's jail sentence. ANd the 14 year old's prison should only be 1/4 as bad as an adult prison. lol
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😕 I didn't see the 1/4 vote part. So how does a 1/4 death penalty work? lol
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: SweetSweetLeroyBrown
California is the most prosperous state in the nation period. All you haters are just jealous suckaz.
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Why would I be jealous? I grew up there.

As for prosperity... what good is it when you have to spend it all on housing and taxes? A shack goes for a half million.

No thanks.
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Yep. Who cares if you make twice as much when it costs 3 times as much to live there?
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Yeah, it's a pain in the ass to live here. I think the general strategy is to get a job here. Make buttloads of cash. Move out of the state for retirement where the value of your dollar is now greater.
 
On a more serious reply:

Great. Now, companies like Phillip Morris and other big tobacco and oil comapnies or whatever, can start to "buy" these teens' half and quarter votes; the money and incentives that the companies would invest in persuading the kids to vote in favor of the company is negligable compared to the amount of money that the industry can make from the vote going their way. We already have enough lobbyists influenced hugely by tobacco and oil companies and the like. And, being that the general concensus here is that most 14 and 16 year olds are not "mature" enough to vote intelligently, you can see why this may potentially be a bad idea in the long run.

Thats what I was thinking when I heard this on the news last night.
 
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: SweetSweetLeroyBrown
California is the most prosperous state in the nation period. All you haters are just jealous suckaz.
Click to expand...
Why would I be jealous? I grew up there.

As for prosperity... what good is it when you have to spend it all on housing and taxes? A shack goes for a half million.

No thanks.
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Yep. Who cares if you make twice as much when it costs 3 times as much to live there?
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Yeah, it's a pain in the ass to live here. I think the general strategy is to get a job here. Make buttloads of cash. Move out of the state for retirement where the value of your dollar is now greater.
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Make a buttload selling their Real Estate in CA🙂
 
Originally posted by: SweetSweetLeroyBrown
Well then if you can't afford to live in CA, move out of state....leaves more for the rest of us hahahaha
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More what??? Taxes??? Illegal aliens??? Gang wars??? What would you gain if someone left?

Nothing.

But you lose when businesses leave by the hundreds as they have been because their success is penalized and the labor market is ridiculously over priced.
 
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: SweetSweetLeroyBrown
Originally posted by: TuxDave
WTF? That gets a NO on my ballot, but I'm always a man of compromise.

If they allow 14 yr old kids to vote, they assume that 14 yrs old kids are informed enough to make a rational choices.
If that is the case, then I say they should make ALL people >= 14 yrs old be tried as adults in law.

It's only fair.
Click to expand...

Actually, your proposal is incomplete

If a 14 year old's vote is only worth 1/4 of an adult vote, than a 14 year old's jail sentence should only be 1/4 of an adult's jail sentence. ANd the 14 year old's prison should only be 1/4 as bad as an adult prison. lol
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😕 I didn't see the 1/4 vote part. So how does a 1/4 death penalty work? lol
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they make you eat at McDonalds so you die at 50 with heart disease
 
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