Those lazy poor people

[nick1985]

So why not push for REASONABLE reform, rather than abolishing the system outright?

I'm relatively liberal but here is the start for me.

Keep: Food Stamps for children and qualifying families.
Keep: Section-8 and cash aid for the legally disabled only.
Keep: Worker retraining programs.

-Unemployment has a labor component.
-Regressive amounts that align with income and expenses (75% of last 3 months of work).
-If expenses exceed income, it is up to the person to sell off assets and lower expenses or declare bankruptcy.
-If you cross the 6 month mark, you must attend a class on finding and retaining employment.
-If you cross the 8 month mark, your unemployment is reduced by 20% week to week until it reaches $200, where it is stopped.
-extensive auditing agency created to look for fraud in the system.

I'd love if the government tapped you and I to work out something like this for them. Unfortunately, our government is made up of 535+1 retarded people who cant solve a fucking thing.

 

[Bowfinger]

Check your mirror to see one.

Unless you're standing behind me, that makes no sense whatsoever. I'm not the one passing judgment on millions of poor people based on a handful of anecdotes from people who are more than likely pulling them out of their over-indulged asses (and half of you R-tards do your pontificating from the bubble of your parents' basement, so cocksure your childish cluelessness is somehow reflective of the real world). You're so indoctrinated with your black and white, wing-nut stereotypes you're incapable of processing the 98% of the world that's drawn in shades of gray.

 

[bfdd]

Bowfinger, not everyone on welfare or has section 8 housing is like this we know. We want something done about the people who are abusing it.

I would also like to add, if you guys think most of these people would work if they could then why do you have a problem with making them do community service to collect their checks(if they're fully capable of working that is)?

 

[Bowfinger]

I agree. Bowfinger is the worst kind of enabler; not only does he enable them, but makes them feel entitled to what they receive for free.

Any of you who are rallying to get these people more money: there is nothing stopping you from donating your money.

As long as you have savings account, a vehicle, a computer, cell phone, internet connection and all of these other luxuries in life you have no place to tell others to give more and do more. You sit here and post on the internet from a computer using a broadband connection when instead you could've purchased a rag for that mother to wipe her child's fucking face.

When you live a meager lifestyle with none of the luxuries and truly give all you can to the needy then you can feel free to talk to me about giving up some of what I have. Be the change you wish to see instead of sitting in on your leather couch, in front of your 60" LCD TV watching CNN on your premium cable package, blabbing on about how it is such a goddamn shame Americans don't give more to their own.

You haven't the faintest, foggiest, glimmer of a clue what you're talking about. You're just projecting your own self-righteous arrogance.

 

[Acanthus]

Not bad, though I'd have concerns with the size and cost of the agency you mentioned in your last point.

Well it seems from all of the anecdotal evidence i've heard that there is widespread abuse.

You could simply expand the powers of already existing agencies to add fraud agents.

It wouldn't even be all that deep. You would only need someone that routinely checks addresses for family counts, investigates fraudulent claims, etc.

Most importantly, create a fast and easy way to turn in people for fraud.

"welfareslugs.gov" 1-888-welfare hotline

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Unless you're standing behind me, that makes no sense whatsoever. I'm not the one passing judgment on millions of poor people based on a handful of anecdotes from people who are more than likely pulling them out of their over-indulged asses (and half of you R-tards do your pontificating from the bubble of your parents' basement, so cocksure your childish cluelessness is somehow reflective of the real world). You're so indoctrinated with your black and white, wing-nut stereotypes you're incapable of processing the 98% of the world that's drawn in shades of gray.

I'll post it again -- what is your solution to poverty and to end multi-generational welfare cycles?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Unless you're standing behind me, that makes no sense whatsoever. I'm not the one passing judgment on millions of poor people based on a handful of anecdotes from people who are more than likely pulling them out of their over-indulged asses (and half of you R-tards do your pontificating from the bubble of your parents' basement, so cocksure your childish cluelessness is somehow reflective of the real world). You're so indoctrinated with your black and white, wing-nut stereotypes you're incapable of processing the 98% of the world that's drawn in shades of gray.

Of course that makes no sense whatsoever. Furthermore, it's incredibly refreshing to see someone like you who can see beyond black and white stereotypes.

 

[JSt0rm]

Are you stupid? Well that's a stupid question, I already know the answer. Of course you are.

What do you hate most about me? My big dick? the fact I work in Santa Monica? My girlfriend is a model? I have the sweetest job on the planet? Hmm? How old are you man? You should watch your heart, getting all riled up like that over the internet. Stress over this little shit will kill you.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'll post it again -- what is your solution to poverty and to end multi-generational welfare cycles?

death panels (kinda kidding)

 

[digiram]

I don't care about the poor. I am trying to do the right thing for me and I don't need someone else opening my wallet. Quit having kids, make better choices, get a good job and an education.

It all comes down to choice. Maybe they didn't choose to be poor, but the choices that they alone made led them to that destination.

And I bet you're christian too, right??

 

[Bowfinger]

Bowfinger, not everyone on welfare or has section 8 housing is like this we know. We want something done about the people who are abusing it.

You may know it, but a lot of the blowhards here either don't know it or would absolutely never admit it. They just rage on, endlessly parroting the stereotypes they've been programmed to believe.

I would also like to add, if you guys think most of these people would work if they could then why do you have a problem with making them do community service to collect their checks(if they're fully capable of working that is)?

I can't speak for "you guys" in general, but I have no problem with that at all. I'd love to see more workfare instead of flat welfare ... and I'll bet many of those on welfare would be thrilled to do something productive to earn it, if only to help their self-image. I recognize a workfare program comes with many of concerns and complications, but I think it would be worth it to address them.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

death panels (kinda kidding)

Joking aside, I don't think any of us mind helping people that are trying to help themselves. I know I don't. I echo what many here have said -- why can't able-bodied welfare recipients work for their checks? It could teach them valuable skills, time management, and other traits that would help them become employable.

 

[nick1985]

lol, bowfinger is trying hard to dodge blanghorst's question

 

[Mursilis]

I'm not the one passing judgment on millions of poor people based on a handful of anecdotes from people who are more than likely pulling them out of their over-indulged asses (and half of you R-tards do your pontificating from the bubble of your parents' basement, so cocksure your childish cluelessness is somehow reflective of the real world). You're so indoctrinated with your black and white, wing-nut stereotypes you're incapable of processing the 98% of the world that's drawn in shades of gray.

But you are the one advocating that gov't take money from one group of people and give it to another, aren't you? You're willing to force your version of charity (dependency, really) down everyone else's throat, but you're not "passing judgment". Whatever.

You're free to go save these people. I suggest you get moving then. Or are you really just about playing "more-righteous-than-thou" on the internet?

 

[Linflas]

And I bet you're christian too, right??

Funny thing, most Christians I know give money to charities and organizations that help poor people directly without being forced to do so by the government.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

You haven't the faintest, foggiest, glimmer of a clue what you're talking about. You're just projecting your own self-righteous arrogance.

Wow. Great argument. I take the time to type out thoughtful posts and you just attack. And we are the assholes?

 

[digiram]

I accepted section 8 in an OK neighborhood. One renter out of around ten of them actually deserved it (the mother I described who left her husband) and the rest abused it. One couple had a 65" TV, a $10,000 leather sofa, and partied quite a bit. The husband was in the middle of trying to con his previous employer and receive disability for a work related injury. He would play football with the kids/neighbors in the community yard...and put his arm in a sling when his caseworker would drop by. They spent money like crazy on nails, NASCAR, Doritos, and Beer. They were a mixture of guido/redneck trash and they flat out said they got more money from welfare programs than working. A lot of these people would need to get jobs that pay $20/hr to top welfare. When rent covered is $1500/month, and on top of that food stamps and a paycheck it is easy to see people receive the equivalent of $2,500/month. This is something I saw all the time because I was their landlord and actually lived in the same complex as them.

I have a lot of stories and they all sound the same. Very few people wanted off of the system. In fact, receiving section 8 housing (enrollment is limited) and welfare/foodstamps IS THE FUCKING DESTINATION! Once you're there you've made it as long as you get a job every few years and make it look like you are putting in some effort.

You were their FUCKING LANDLORD... You knew of their actions and accepted money from the government for their laziness. Mr. Self Fucking Righteous

 

[Bowfinger]

I'll post it again -- what is your solution to poverty and to end multi-generational welfare cycles?

When did I suggest I have the solution? All I can tell you is that what we're doing today isn't working, and ignorant, blanket condemnation of all poor people based on stereotypes and anecdotes doesn't help.

I'd love to have an intelligent discussion about the issues and options but that's impossible with the roar of the usual partisan idiots drowning out any semblance of useful signal. That's really the problem with P&N. Moderating for worthwhile content would be ten full time jobs, and hopelessly subjective ... so the trolls and sock puppets reign unfettered.

 

[Bowfinger]

lol, bowfinger is trying hard to dodge blanghorst's question

You were saying? (Speaking of brainless trolls.)

 

[digiram]

Funny thing, most Christians I know give money to charities and organizations that help poor people directly without being forced to do so by the government.

My post was about the poster, not about most Christians.

 

[nick1985]

You were saying? (Speaking of brainless trolls.)

Grats! You answered it (really...didnt answer it), then 1 minute later you try to attack me about not answering it. lol

 

[BoberFett]

What do you hate most about me? My big dick? the fact I work in Santa Monica? My girlfriend is a model? I have the sweetest job on the planet? Hmm? How old are you man? You should watch your heart, getting all riled up like that over the internet. Stress over this little shit will kill you.

LMAO! You aren't Trident's alter ego are you?

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

And I bet you're christian too, right??

Hahahaha. I don't really have many religious values. I don't attend church.

 

[BoberFett]

Bowfinger missed this thread.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2091937

 

[Bowfinger]

But you are the one advocating that gov't take money from one group of people and give it to another, aren't you? You're willing to force your version of charity (dependency, really) down everyone else's throat, but you're not "passing judgment". Whatever.

You're free to go save these people. I suggest you get moving then. Or are you really just about playing "more-righteous-than-thou" on the internet?

Actually, if you make some modest attempt to read and comprehend, you'll find I've advocated nothing beyond agreeing that some sort of workfare system would be an improvement over what we have now. My main focus was blasting the usual idiots for their ignorant, black and white condemnation of millions of people based on stereotypes and anecdotes. You see, my real hot button issues are dishonesty, disinformation, and willful ignorance. That's why I initially joined P&N so many years ago.