Those lazy poor people

[Bowfinger]

Wow. Great argument. I take the time to type out thoughtful posts and you just attack. And we are the assholes?

I apologize. I missed your thoughtful post. All I saw was more of the same emotional ranting. Link?

 

[bfdd]

You may know it, but a lot of the blowhards here either don't know it or would absolutely never admit it. They just rage on, endlessly parroting the stereotypes they've been programmed to believe.



I can't speak for "you guys" in general, but I have no problem with that at all. I'd love to see more workfare instead of flat welfare ... and I'll bet many of those on welfare would be thrilled to do something productive to earn it, if only to help their self-image. I recognize a workfare program comes with many of concerns and complications, but I think it would be worth it to address them.

my second statement wasn't really directed at you, but just the people on this forum in general who have said they have problems with it. didn't mean to call you out if it sounded like it.

 

[Bowfinger]

Grats! You answered it (really...didnt answer it), then 1 minute later you try to attack me about not answering it. lol

I answered it honestly. Try it sometime.

 

[JSt0rm]

LMAO!

trident is a young fool with no backbone who's mom has told him hes special.

I'm born of fire and hardship and have climbed my way to where I am through massive devotion and hard work and I like it that way.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

You were their FUCKING LANDLORD... You knew of their actions and accepted money from the government for their laziness. Mr. Self Fucking Righteous

I bought the complex with most of the renters I described already in it. I couldn't evict them without reason. And when we could evict them we did. Yes, some were reported to the housing authority.

I didn't have much choice in the matter. What was I supposed to do, turn down the money on principle and foreclose on my investment? No. But when they left we absolutely did not rent to people like that. The one lady that deserved section 8 housing we rented to after the fact. But she deserved it. The rest were ghetto rats and were evicted once we had a legitimate reason.

Talk about making a lot of fucking assumptions. We tried to NOT rent to section 8 because most (not all) were scum and trashed the place.

 

[Bowfinger]

Bowfinger missed this thread.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2091937

I don't spend much time here these days. I will take a look, however.

 

[Bowfinger]

my second statement wasn't really directed at you, but just the people on this forum in general who have said they have problems with it. didn't mean to call you out if it sounded like it.

Not at all, I didn't take it that way. I know some people do object to workfare. I'm not one of them.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

I apologize. I missed your thoughtful post. All I saw was more of the same emotional ranting. Link?

Wow. More of the same.

Hey, why are you on the computer when you could be out helping a poor person?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

When did I suggest I have the solution? All I can tell you is that what we're doing today isn't working, and ignorant, blanket condemnation of all poor people based on stereotypes and anecdotes doesn't help.

No, you're condemning others and calling them names (self-righteous) because they have differing opinions than yours, which sounds pretty self-righteous to me. For someone talking like that, I'd expect a list of solutions, not name calling.

Apple of Sodom has some very good posts and clearly differentiated between the poor who abuse the system and the poor who are trying to better themselves.

I'd love to have an intelligent discussion about the issues and options but that's impossible with the roar of the usual partisan idiots drowning out any semblance of useful signal.

Shoot, I'm all ears. But, you must also acknowledge that there is a certain percentage of people on welfare who abuse the system and at some point, any comprehensive solution would need to cut them off completely if they did not comply with the terms of a proposed solution. Fair enough?

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

trident is a young fool with no backbone who's mom has told him hes special.

I'm born of fire and hardship and have climbed my way to where I am through massive devotion and hard work and I like it that way.

Fuck yeah for doing it yourself. Sounds like we are cut from the same cloth.

Of course, those like Bowfinger, who try and try but can never make it out of lower middle-class, will see this as an affront to their manhood and do everything in their power to bring us down to their level. If they can't rise to our level then they will stop at nothing to bring us down to theirs.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

trident is a young fool with no backbone who's mom has told him hes special.

I'm born of fire and hardship and have climbed my way to where I am through massive devotion and hard work and I like it that way.

You mean Trident isn't special?!?!

 

[Bowfinger]

Wow. More of the same.

Hey, why are you on the computer when you could be out helping a poor person?

I'm busy attacking bigger issues ... ignorance, partisan dishonesty, self-righteousness, wanton greed, things that are destroying America today.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I'm busy attacking bigger issues ... ignorance, partisan dishonesty, self-righteousness, wanton greed, things that are destroying America today.

Oh, so you're visiting Congress?

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

Shoot, I'm all ears. But, you must also acknowledge that there is a certain percentage of people on welfare who abuse the system and at some point, any comprehensive solution would need to cut them off completely if they did not comply with the terms of a proposed solution. Fair enough?

I could probably even believe that these problems follow the 80/20 rule, where 80% of the abuse and waste comes fron 20% of the patrons.

It is much easier for them to scream racism or elitism than to come to grips with the fact that welfare doesn't help everyone. They think money will fix the problem. Not their money, mind you, but my money will definitely help.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

I'm busy attacking bigger issues ... ignorance, partisan dishonesty, self-righteousness, wanton greed, things that are destroying America today.

Really? How? By calling names on a message board?

What is it, exactly, that you do for a day job? Where do you volunteer? Why don't you let us in on this so we can decipher why what you do is much better than what I do. I am willing to bet my $60K in taxes last year did a lot more good for this country than your community service stint at the soup kitchen.

I am not made of money. I am a high earner but could not simply quit working and live forever off of savings. So when the government is taking large chunks of what I make there is diminishing returns. It makes me lose motivation because towards the end of the year the fucking welfare rats and entitlement programs take forty cents of every dollar I make.

 

[digiram]

I bought the complex with most of the renters I described already in it. I couldn't evict them without reason. And when we could evict them we did. Yes, some were reported to the housing authority.

I didn't have much choice in the matter. What was I supposed to do, turn down the money on principle and foreclose on my investment? No. But when they left we absolutely did not rent to people like that. The one lady that deserved section 8 housing we rented to after the fact. But she deserved it. The rest were ghetto rats and were evicted once we had a legitimate reason.

Talk about making a lot of fucking assumptions. We tried to NOT rent to section 8 because most (not all) were scum and trashed the place.

Whatever. It's the internet, you can make up any friggin story you want and I can assume all I want. It comes down to. It's ok for you to take indirect welfare, but not ok for them b/c they are the scum of the earth.

If you hate those people and that money so much, you should burn it. Get it out of circulation.

 

[Bowfinger]

[ ... ]
Shoot, I'm all ears. But, you must also acknowledge that there is a certain percentage of people on welfare who abuse the system and at some point, any comprehensive solution would need to cut them off completely if they did not comply with the terms of a proposed solution. Fair enough?

Absolutely. There is certainly abuse, and those who abuse the system should be dealt with harshly. I don't know that I'd go so far as to cut them off entirely. I'd be more inclined to continue giving them three squares a day ... in a cell.

My main issue is the suggestion that most poor people are abusing the system, a myth that the right embraced during the Reagan administration. I think it's not only dishonest, but it's been used to deflect attention from the biggest welfare abusers of all, many of whom wear $5,000 suits and own several multimillion dollar mansions. If you want to know who's really sucking away the prosperity of the middle class, don't look to the slums. They're merely scapegoats.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

Whatever. It's the internet, you can make up any friggin story you want and I can assume all I want. It comes down to. It's ok for you to take indirect welfare, but not ok for them b/c they are the scum of the earth.

If you hate those people and that money so much, you should burn it. Get it out of circulation.

That is great logic and reasoning right there. You're saying I should turn it down and foreclose on property (well, I sold the property so this is in the past) because I cannot make a mortgage without rent because the place I purchased had renters who abused the system?

This is the problem with America today. You are either for or against, 1 or 0, all or nothing. It isn't so black and white; not everything is a binary choice or argument. I made the choice to evict them when possible (renters have all the rights, landlords have almost none) and not rent to people like them. I am the self-righteous asshole enemy who accepted their money while I needed to in order to avoid losing not only my investment but also my home?

 

[Bowfinger]

Oh, so you're visiting Congress?

Nah. That level of duplicity and greed is way out of my league.

 

[Bowfinger]

Really? How? By calling names on a message board?

What is it, exactly, that you do for a day job? Where do you volunteer? Why don't you let us in on this so we can decipher why what you do is much better than what I do. I am willing to bet my $60K in taxes last year did a lot more good for this country than your community service stint at the soup kitchen.

I am not made of money. I am a high earner but could not simply quit working and live forever off of savings. So when the government is taking large chunks of what I make there is diminishing returns. It makes me lose motivation because towards the end of the year the fucking welfare rats and entitlement programs take forty cents of every dollar I make.

Sweetie, I paid more in taxes than you did (or more accurately, my wife and I jointly paid). The difference between us is I'm not bitching about a small part of it helping the poor, and I'm not spreading the RNC anti-welfare propaganda.

 

[BoberFett]

trident is a young fool with no backbone who's mom has told him hes special.

I'm born of fire and hardship and have climbed my way to where I am through massive devotion and hard work and I like it that way.

No, you got lucky. Nobody can work hard to earn anything. Either you're born rich or you got lucky. Work is irrelevant.

Isn't that what your "side" espouses on this forum daily?

 

[JSt0rm]

No, you got lucky. Nobody can work hard to earn anything. Either you're born rich or you got lucky. Work is irrelevant.

Isn't that what your "side" espouses on this forum daily?

You do need some luck in life...We call that opportunity. Its what you do with opportunity when it presents itself to you. Only you can change your life boberfett.

 

[Bowfinger]

No, you got lucky. Nobody can work hard to earn anything. Either you're born rich or you got lucky. Work is irrelevant.

Isn't that what your "side" espouses on this forum daily?

Speaking of dishonesty, what is it with you guys and your straw man arguments? Are your positions really so weak that it's the only way you can make your case?

I've yet to see anyone suggest "work is irrelevant." Rather, it simply isn't enough. To become fabulously successful, to join the top fraction of a percent of America's wealthy, one also needs some combination of luck and connections. Bill Gates is smart and he worked hard, but he wouldn't be where he is today without also having connections and getting lucky. There are countless people in America who are smarter than Bill and work harder than Bill, yet they haven't achieved what he has. Hard work is but one factor in making one's success.

 

[JSt0rm]

Speaking of dishonesty, what is it with you guys and your straw man arguments? Are your positions really so weak that it's the only way you can make your case?

boberfett is a weak human being who hides behind a shell. He lashes out as he fears being the lolwut of the forums. Unfortunately for him he will never take a risk in life and always be the boring sod you see before you today. The flying pig probably knows this.

 

[Bowfinger]

Bowfinger missed this thread.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2091937

Sorry, 2/10

While everyone is entitled to his own opinion, we're not entitled to our own facts. Moreover, some opinions -- e.g., those based on facts and reason -- are more valid than others, e.g., those based on disinformation and partisan mythology. I'm sure pieces like that help the loons feel more smugly satisfied in their delusions, however.