Those lazy poor people

[Red Dawn]

You must be doing it all wrong. We had a "section 8" family living in a house in my neighborhood that paid $200.00 per month in rent for a house that rents for $2100.00. Fortunately for them the driveway was large enough for them to park the Mercedes, Jaguar, and the Chrysler mini van. And they rented out a room in the house which likely covered the $200.00.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

To qualify for welfare, you should be required to pass a drug test. And pass a drug test every 2-3 months to stay on it.

Exactly, but then you have the usual suspects who would claim "That's a violation of their civil rights!!11!!11!" Which is BS, of course.

 

[Linflas]

Roll your eyes all you want, facts are facts. The rent info came straight from the owners mouth, and it is kind of hard to miss the cars parked there and driven by the residents daily for 2 years.

 

[PeshakJang]

Massive backfire @ OP

 

[SammyJr]

lol how's the Communism religion working out for you?

I'm actually a fan of Democracy, not Plutocracy, Offshoring, and Middle Class impoverishment, but keep touting the interests of the top 1%. I'm sure that'll fix the country. The last 30 years have been fucking fantastic!

 

[SpatiallyAware]

What a Reagan era welfare queen circle jerk.

There are plenty of people with degrees who had jobs up who lost it all. Too bad the Free Trade religion doesn't let you go back in time, not have kids, and learn Chinese instead of studying Engineering or Business.

That is not the type of family this article is about.


It really doesn't matter what the economic situation is, most of these people will take the easiest route possible. I grew up in it - trailer parks, gov't projects, no food, utilities off (or being stolen) most of the time, etc etc etc. Without going into details, I was worse off than the family appears to be in this article. I can relate with eating out of cool whip containers and all that. Hell, at least these kids have a mom around to do the cooking.


The fact is, if these people (especially the kids) 'want out' they can 'get out'. There is assistance, job placement, school/low income grants that aren't available to middle or upper class. The parents do end up stuck, but it's not one or two decisions that get them here... It's a lifetime of bad decisions that can't be fixed by throwing money at them.

 

[Red Dawn]

Roll your eyes all you want, facts are facts. The rent info came straight from the owners mouth, and it is kind of hard to miss the cars parked there and driven by the residents daily for 2 years.

Kind of hard to believe, especially the Land Lord accepting Sec8 in such a nice neighborhood.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Massive backfire @ OP

Sadly, this is exactly what I was expecting. Hoping for a surprise, but expecting this.

 

[IGBT]

What a Reagan era welfare queen circle jerk.

There are plenty of people with degrees who had jobs up who lost it all. Too bad the Free Trade religion doesn't let you go back in time, not have kids, and learn Chinese instead of studying Engineering or Business.

you should have studied to be a PBF admin.

 

[Linflas]

Kind of hard to believe, especially the Land Lord accepting Sec8 in such a nice neighborhood.

Why is it hard to believe? She couldn't sell the house and needed to move. I'm not sure if she even had the option of not renting it section 8 without triggering fair housing action against her. Given what it she had to do after they moved out last month to get the house in shape to rent again I suspect if she has any say in it she will not rent it section 8 again.

 

[child of wonder]

Regardless of the choices the family in this video made, I know there are lots of decent people who are honestly trying to pull through these hard times. My family and I have been so lucky and fortunate these past years, especially in these hard times. A church near my house holds a food bank every Saturday morning and I think we're going to make a donation. Maybe we'll even volunteer so our two kids understand just how good we have it.

 

[StageLeft]

As always everyone has an endless number of anecdotes, which tell one story but not all of them,or necessarily the majority.

There are plenty of people with degrees who had jobs up who lost it all.

In the grand scheme, honestly, no, there aren't that many. People with degrees are heavily employed and most people who are doing decently (at least ostensibly) and then "lose it all" were in fact not living decent at all, they were living like a fool.

 

[BoberFett]

Kind of hard to believe, especially the Land Lord accepting Sec8 in such a nice neighborhood.

You don't know anything about Section 8 then Red. It is not confined to areas you would expect it.

 

[Bowfinger]

Sadly, this is exactly what I was expecting. Hoping for a surprise, but expecting this.

Unfortunately, America has no shortage of self-righteous assholes who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

I accepted section 8 in an OK neighborhood. One renter out of around ten of them actually deserved it (the mother I described who left her husband) and the rest abused it. One couple had a 65" TV, a $10,000 leather sofa, and partied quite a bit. The husband was in the middle of trying to con his previous employer and receive disability for a work related injury. He would play football with the kids/neighbors in the community yard...and put his arm in a sling when his caseworker would drop by. They spent money like crazy on nails, NASCAR, Doritos, and Beer. They were a mixture of guido/redneck trash and they flat out said they got more money from welfare programs than working. A lot of these people would need to get jobs that pay $20/hr to top welfare. When rent covered is $1500/month, and on top of that food stamps and a paycheck it is easy to see people receive the equivalent of $2,500/month. This is something I saw all the time because I was their landlord and actually lived in the same complex as them.

I have a lot of stories and they all sound the same. Very few people wanted off of the system. In fact, receiving section 8 housing (enrollment is limited) and welfare/foodstamps IS THE FUCKING DESTINATION! Once you're there you've made it as long as you get a job every few years and make it look like you are putting in some effort.

 

[Red Dawn]

Why is it hard to believe? She couldn't sell the house and needed to move. I'm not sure if she even had the option of not renting it section 8 without triggering fair housing action against her. Given what it she had to do after they moved out last month to get the house in shape to rent again I suspect if she has any say in it she will not rent it section 8 again.

Why would that trigger "Fair Housing" action against her? You can rent to anybody you want as along as you don't descriminate based on race or religion. You can desciminate against those who have poor credit, no job, bad rental history (Late paying rent, didn't take care of property,etc).

 

[Red Dawn]

You don't know anything about Section 8 then Red. It is not confined to areas you would expect it.

Probably not. All I know is that in ten years as a Property Manager myself I never rented to Sec8. In fact if you didn't have good credit, a job and good references from a previous landlord I wouldn't rent to you. Didn't need the headache.

That said I have no symathy for Welfare Cheats or Slackers (Reason I stayed away from Sec8)

 

[rudder]

What does that have to do with anything??

Though they did offer cash to people with cars like that in order to get a new one.....

So yes... you do (could have anyway.. i don't know if cash for clunkers is still going on) get a bailout...

We live in a society with an applied (albeit arbitrary) line of poverty. We tend to help those below it. We could easily change policy to lower the line to "going to die tomorrow without help" but we don't as we are not generally jack asses. Of course there is such a thing as relatively poor.. there is relatively anything. Just because folks elsewhere are worse off does not mean we are insane for helping people out who are above that line of near dead.

Cash for Clunkers was only good for people with the money to buy a new car. It would be a stupid idea to buy a $24,000 car when you can only afford $12,000 just because the govt offered you $6000 for your clunker. That is why poor people are poor. far from a bailout.

People in the U.S. are poor for a variety of reasons, lack of work ethic, inability or lack of desire to increase their education, piss poor parenting, and wasteful spending practices.

Take it from some who lived in the poorest country in Asia for 10 years... the poorest of the poor in the U.S. are in good shape. At least there is a charity infrastructure in place to feed people.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

Unfortunately, America has no shortage of self-righteous assholes who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

Read the fucking posts. We aren't self righteous. We wake up every day, work 8 or 12 hours, and we get by. We sacrifice by going to school, not eating out, not doing drugs. When we finally make it we get shafted and have to pay for those who refused to do such things.

I paid nearly $60K last year in taxes. I don't come from money and am proud to contribute... but I contribute more than most American families do and it pisses me off to see my hard work wasted on these ingrates. I work hard and went to school for a long time, living paycheck to paycheck. Why the fuck should I have to pay for some lazy bitch to get her nails done and go to the bar?

This isn't some "I heard a story from a friend" type of story. I literally had an apartment complex that I lived in and managed. I knew these people and saw them daily. Nearly 8 years later I can still tell you most of their names. The welfare people, who had the most assistance, went out to eat the most, drove the nicest cars, went to the bars the most, bought the most food, had the nicest clothes and nicest nails...and still could come up with 10% of their rent on a monthly basis.

As for the article, there is a picture of the 2 year old girl with shit on her face. This is FUCKING AMERICA! The mom can't walk to the store, go into a public restroom and wash her child's face? I'm willing to bet she has running water and paper towels inside and could've washed it. Instead they play the role of poverty to garner sympathy and more money. While they sleep in, I strive on 5 hours of sleep so I can go out and provide for my kids and even add to their college fund.

I visited the Dominican Republic, a truly poor country by our standards. The kids there lived in little brick houses. They were the nicest, most well dressed and cleanest kids I've come across. These kids put American kids to shame. Sure they were running barefoot through the streets because they couldn't afford shoes and only had two sets of clothes, but they also had some pride and their mothers took the time to wash their fucking faces, even if it was in river water.

 

[highland145]

You must be doing it all wrong. We had a "section 8" family living in a house in my neighborhood that paid $200.00 per month in rent for a house that rents for $2100.00. Fortunately for them the driveway was large enough for them to park the Mercedes, Jaguar, and the Chrysler mini van. And they rented out a room in the house which likely covered the $200.00.

Was talking about the clunker requirements.

 

[Mursilis]

Unfortunately, America has no shortage of self-righteous assholes who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

Check your mirror to see one.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

Check your mirror to see one.

I agree. Bowfinger is the worst kind of enabler; not only does he enable them, but makes them feel entitled to what they receive for free.

Any of you who are rallying to get these people more money: there is nothing stopping you from donating your money.

As long as you have savings account, a vehicle, a computer, cell phone, internet connection and all of these other luxuries in life you have no place to tell others to give more and do more. You sit here and post on the internet from a computer using a broadband connection when instead you could've purchased a rag for that mother to wipe her child's fucking face.

When you live a meager lifestyle with none of the luxuries and truly give all you can to the needy then you can feel free to talk to me about giving up some of what I have. Be the change you wish to see instead of sitting in on your leather couch, in front of your 60" LCD TV watching CNN on your premium cable package, blabbing on about how it is such a goddamn shame Americans don't give more to their own.

 

[nick1985]

Unfortunately, America has no shortage of self-righteous assholes who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

Oh give me a fucking break. I have no problem helping someone that is truley down on their luck, and trying to make things better. Thats fantastic and I'd happily lend a hand.

Welfare lifers, on the other hand, can fuck off and die. They are leeches on society and make no attempts to improve their lives. Why should I want to help these worthless fucks?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

i see fat people in the house. sympathy not found.

 

[JSt0rm]

Probably not. All I know is that in ten years as a Property Manager myself I never rented to Sec8. In fact if you didn't have good credit, a job and good references from a previous landlord I wouldn't rent to you. Didn't need the headache.

That said I have no symathy for Welfare Cheats or Slackers (Reason I stayed away from Sec8)

buahahahaha. Gubment forced a women to rent her home for $200? rrrrrrrrright. hahahahahah