This place used to be quite different, no?

[Jhhnn]

I look at it this way because it's true. For you so loved Hillary that you tossed your most likely to win candidate. Bernie's lack of being Hillary justified Trump. BUT BUT BERNIE. Buttery Bernies?

Oh yeah, that wasn't just me saying that but being up on things you must know that. You went with the lesser of the two in the public arena and damn people who didn't do that too.

Hey people make mistakes. Some picked Trump and you picked the Hillary and not the more likely winner. Maybe next time the Dems will learn, or some of them at least.

Bernie couldn't convince Dems to give him the nomination. The notion that he had a better chance against Trump is pure fantasy. That's the nature of the whole discussion, anyway, because we'll never know.

 

[Thebobo]

Is Nader still being blamed for Al Gore’s loss? How dare anyone run except the anointed one!!! We have decided and you the sheep have to follow us.

I liked nader but you vote for who you like and has a possibility to win imo, so yes I wasn't happy at the time. It would of been interesting if Gore won and would of been in office on 9-11. Someone should write an alternative history book with that as the subject.

 

[Jhhnn]

Is Nader still being blamed for Al Gore’s loss? How dare anyone run except the anointed one!!! We have decided and you the sheep have to follow us.

Nobody's blaming Bernie. He did the right thing in the end. Too bad more of his followers didn't see it the way he did.

 

[Amused]

To add to my previous comment, the times are quite different now.

5, 10, 15 years or so ago here, we were talking about individual policies and political ideologies.

We seldom made arguments to the man, or politician and spoke about issues. We had a healthy sometimes unhealthy debate between liberals, conservatives, libertarians and even anarchists.

We had long conversations about welfare, capitalism, socialism, guns, abortion, religion and science. Sure, there were some hit threads that attacked Bush, then Obama, and Dems vs GOP but mostly it was issue/ideology based debates. For the most part devoid of conspiracy BS and nonsense. Facts were accepted.

That has all changed in the age of Trump, Alex Jones, and the new GOP because they have mainstreamed batshit. Maybe I was blind to it during Obama's first term, but by his second it had become obvious that the GOP had been taken over by conspiratards. It's impossible to have a rational issue based debate with someone who dismisses valid facts and lives in a conspiracy filled fantasy world. Trying to talk to a Trump supporter is like trying to talk to an anti-vaxxer, science denier or cult member.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Bernie couldn't convince Dems to give him the nomination. The notion that he had a better chance against Trump is pure fantasy. That's the nature of the whole discussion, anyway, because we'll never know.

Actually, no it's not fantasy. That is the result of long-term and varied polls over time. Realclearpolitics compiled statistics from just about every major poll. Not just Rassmussen or Fox, just about everyone

They predicted that you'd pick Hillary over Bernie but Bernie had a better chance, indeed soundly defeating Trump. You backed the wrong horse.

 

[Moonbeam]

Clinton is the boogeyman that the Right needs to keep up the Fear.

As for the Sanders education policy, it would not work the way he said it would. He wanted to give free college to 80% of the US population. No country on this planet even comes close to that. Any country that offers "free" college, greatly restricts who can get that. The expense is far beyond what he said would be needed to fund it. Clinton called him out on it, but he never had to respond as his run had other problems at that point.

Hung up being right about the meaningless I see, even after Hay straightened you our quite cogently.

 

[Noah Abrams]

That has all changed in the age of Trump, Alex Jones, and the new GOP because they have mainstreamed batshit. Maybe I was blind to it during Obama's first term, but by his second it had become obvious that the GOP had been taken over by conspiratards. It's impossible to have a rational issue based debate with someone who dismisses valid facts and lives in a conspiracy filled fantasy world. Trying to talk to a Trump supporter is like trying to talk to an anti-vaxxer, science denier or cult member.

Yes GOP has gone completely off the rails and it is not just GOP but America itself who is the loser because of it. Because if left to its own devices, the current left will run this country completely into the ground. It wouldn’t hurt the liberal elites in NYC, NJ, Connecticut, Seattle, Austin and so on. Just like now these people live in their wonderful isolation and affluent 3 car garage house communities, all the while more and more parts of the country turn into ghettos

 

[ivwshane]

The Clintons are the very embodiment of the utter hypocrisy and corruption in American politics. What the faithful disciples of the left are unable or unwilling to recognize (as they say denial is not just a river in Egypt) is that this had a huge role in vile creature getting to the WH. They just will not recognize it and blame a gazillion other things. In that respect, they are quite similar to the faithful of the vile creature, who too suffer from the same persecution complex.

To be clear, I'm not a fan of Hillary, I do not trust her with the power of the office, but people will make claims that make no sense no matter what one thinks like Uranium One. I looked into what was possible and what happened and one must be very careful about making false claims as some have in dealing with someone we'd rather avoid. And while I don't trust her as far as I toss her many invent reasons to divert from Republican troubles and I don't approve of that.

This is why jhnnn says what he says, because you and others like you say the most ridiculous stuff about Hillary. You speak as if you know her personally as if her lying was anything more than a politician trying to craft an image who and who is so bad at it that it's obvious.

Your hate is so irrational that you can't even bring yourself to call out a forum poster who, once again, is regurgitating Republican talking points, instead you tell them to watch out.

You don't even see your irrationality, do you?

 

[UberNeuman]

Yes GOP has gone completely off the rails and it is not just GOP but America itself who is the loser because of it. Because if left to its own devices, the current left will run this country completely into the ground. It wouldn’t hurt the liberal elites in NYC, NJ, Connecticut, Seattle, Austin and so on. Just like now these people live in their wonderful isolation and affluent 3 car garage house communities, all the while more and more parts of the country turn into ghettos

Damn. You found out the secret plan.

 

[Moonbeam]

Actually, no it's not fantasy. That is the result of long-term and varied polls over time. Realclearpolitics compiled statistics from just about every major poll. Not just Rassmussen or Fox, just about everyone

They predicted that you'd pick Hillary over Bernie but Bernie had a better chance, indeed soundly defeating Trump. You backed the wrong horse.

When you look at the intense hatred directed at Trump from the left, that should tell you they will never admit they elected him. They not only hate Trump but the people who elected him.

 

[ivwshane]

Yes GOP has gone completely off the rails and it is not just GOP but America itself who is the loser because of it. Because if left to its own devices, the current left will run this country completely into the ground. It wouldn’t hurt the liberal elites in NYC, NJ, Connecticut, Seattle, Austin and so on. Just like now these people live in their wonderful isolation and affluent 3 car garage house communities, all the while more and more parts of the country turn into ghettos

Exhibit A of what bat shit crazy looks like. Thanks hayabusa for validating him instead of calling out his bullshit.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is why jhnnn says what he says, because you and others like you say the most ridiculous stuff about Hillary. You speak as if you know her personally as if her lying was anything more than a politician trying to craft an image who and who is so bad at it that it's obvious.

Your hate is so irrational that you can't even bring yourself to call out a forum poster who, once again, is regurgitating Republican talking points, instead you tell them to watch out.

You don't even see your irrationality, do you?

What I see is the complete lack of understanding that it is entirely permissible to not care for a given candidate, Russians or not. Knowing Hillary? Well when Bill was in Arkansas, yes I did get to know about them. But you don't know Hillary either and are without decades of having knowledge of her. You even reach for the "hate" card. I don't like her, I don't want her in office. If you have time to hate you have a lot more time on your hands than I. You can't accept that someone simply does not see another as fit for office.

 

[dank69]

Yes GOP has gone completely off the rails and it is not just GOP but America itself who is the loser because of it. Because if left to its own devices, the current left will run this country completely into the ground. It wouldn’t hurt the liberal elites in NYC, NJ, Connecticut, Seattle, Austin and so on. Just like now these people live in their wonderful isolation and affluent 3 car garage house communities, all the while more and more parts of the country turn into ghettos

I'm not a conservative I just think liberal policies will fucking destroy America.

 

[ivwshane]

When you look at the intense hatred directed at Trump from the left, that should tell you they will never admit they elected him. They not only hate Trump but the people who elected him.

Hate? I've never heard any anti trumper say they are willing to kill their fellow Americans because of a disagreement in policies (as in starting a civil war) like I have seen here.

Its funny though because I don't remember you ever making similar comments when we were barraged with daily anti Hillary threads and posts (that still continue to this day). Or am I wrong?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

When you look at the intense hatred directed at Trump from the left, that should tell you they will never admit they elected him. They not only hate Trump but the people who elected him.

Careful lest you become the enemy too. On second thought go right on being you.

 

[Noah Abrams]

I'm not a conservative I just think liberal policies will fucking destroy America.

Fuck conservatives. Fuck liberals. Fuck the labels.

The right thinks there is no problem a tax cut can’t solve

The left thinks there is no problem a government program (read tax dollars) can’t solve

 

[dank69]

What I see is the complete lack of understanding that it is entirely permissible to not care for a given candidate, Russians or not. Knowing Hillary? Well when Bill was in Arkansas, yes I did get to know about them. But you don't know Hillary either and are without decades of having knowledge of her. You even reach for the "hate" card. I don't like her, I don't want her in office. If you have time to hate you have a lot more time on your hands than I. You can't accept that someone simply does not see another as fit for office.

There it is. I don't hate her I just understand why people would not want to vote for her even though her opponent was Donald Fucking Trump.

 

[Amused]

Yes GOP has gone completely off the rails and it is not just GOP but America itself who is the loser because of it. Because if left to its own devices, the current left will run this country completely into the ground. It wouldn’t hurt the liberal elites in NYC, NJ, Connecticut, Seattle, Austin and so on. Just like now these people live in their wonderful isolation and affluent 3 car garage house communities, all the while more and more parts of the country turn into ghettos

I disagree. The GOP mainstreaming batshit has turned the Democratic party from a party that idealized european style socialism into one that now spends more time simply championing facts, reason, science, and fighting the egregious anti-intellectualism and post fact culture that has pervaded the GOP.

They have their hands full fighting batshit insanity. If anything, the left has been pulled further right by all of this and are now the ones standing for constitutional rights, individual liberty (regardless of color, sex, orientation or religion) and, believe it or not, the right to private property.

As for parts of the country declining, that is what happens when you resist change and progress, deny science itself and tell people higher education is evil.

As I said, there is no room in this current climate for ANY idealism. Not when facts, reason, logic, basic human rights and fucking reality itself are on the line.

 

[UberNeuman]

Fuck conservatives. Fuck liberals. Fuck the labels.

The right thinks there is no problem a tax cut can’t solve

The left thinks there is no problem a government program can’t solve

Fuck you.

lol.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There it is. I don't hate her I just understand why people would not want to vote for her even though her opponent was Donald Fucking Trump.

Little Monster, I voted for the liberal who could have won. I do not believe you did, did you?
You picked the one who handed the election to Trump even with the Russians and Republicans.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Fuck you.

lol.

Ok let’s all fuck each other. They say fucking is the best solution lol

 

[dank69]

Fuck conservatives. Fuck liberals. Fuck the labels.

The right thinks there is no problem a tax cut can’t solve

The left thinks there is no problem a government program (read tax dollars) can’t solve

Serious question. What the fuck did any liberal ever really do to you?

 

[dank69]

Little Monster, I voted for the liberal who could have won. I do not believe you did, did you?
You picked the one who handed the election to Trump even with the Russians and Republicans.

I voted for Bernie in the primary, bro, and have told you as much on at least one occasion. By the way, your assertion that Bernie would have won despite not even being able to win the Democratic primary is pure fantasy. All the polling you want to lean on would have gone out the window once the conservative media slime machine directed their venom at him.

 

[ivwshane]

What I see is the complete lack of understanding that it is entirely permissible to not care for a given candidate, Russians or not. Knowing Hillary? Well when Bill was in Arkansas, yes I did get to know about them. But you don't know Hillary either and are without decades of having knowledge of her. You even reach for the "hate" card. I don't like her, I don't want her in office. If you have time to hate you have a lot more time on your hands than I. You can't accept that someone simply does not see another as fit for office.

Oh my bad, you don't hate her, you just have a completely irrational disliking of her dating all the way back to the first time bill was in office. Gee, wasn't that during the time when Hillary didn't know her role? Dumb bitch belongs in the kitchen, am I right?

I'm not asking you to like Hillary, I'm asking you to acknowledge your irrationality.

I get why you don't like Hillary from a policy position, you are an idealist and she's pragmatic. But most of your "dislike", as displayed on this forum, almost always comes from personality judgements. Not only that but its judgements of personally traits that have zero impact on the job or that will affect your life in the slightest aka irrational. Its akin to those who liked Bush because he was a guy you could have a beer with.

 

[ivwshane]

Serious question. What the fuck did any liberal ever really do to you?

Clearly he was touched in his notty place.