this mta strike in NYC

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Taggart

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Originally posted by: abc
Originally posted by: rh71
This sucks... my wife is getting home too tired now and can't cook dinner. F%#* the TWU !



:D


lol... that's the final straw huh!

They say that people vote w/ their wallet, I guess even more so w/ their stomach!!:laugh:
 

Taggart

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Originally posted by: rh71
This sucks... my wife is getting home too tired now and can't cook dinner. F%#* the TWU !



:D

Would it make you feel any differently if an MTA worker came over and cooked dinner? ;)
 

elmro

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Nothing would make me happier than to have every one of these law breakers fined and fired.
 

Babbles

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I'm in central PA and I feel for you New Yorkers. I think it is beyond massively retarded what those assclowns are doing and I believe that they should all be fired after working off how many days they owe the city in terms of fines.
I hope NYC sticks to their guns and doesn't give in at all.
 

Vette73

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Here is Mayor Michael Bloomberg's take on the Transport Workers Union strike: "You've got people making $50,000 and $60,000 a year keeping the people who are making $20,000 and $30,000 a year from being able to earn a living. That's just not acceptable."

Like most of the media coverage that has focused on the inconveniences of stranded straphangers, the mayor has missed the true meaning of the strike: the future of the middle class in New York City and communities across the region.

The problem is that a family cannot really live on $30,000 in the metropolitan area, with housing and other costs skyrocketing in the five boroughs and on Long Island. For example, according to a detailed analysis prepared by the United Way, a family of one child and one adult needs earnings of $42,000 just to cover basic needs in Queens, while a family of four requires $58,000 a year.

New York's economy is growing strongly, butunevenly, with high-paying and low-paying jobs increasing while the middle class loses ground. From 2000 to 2004, U.S. Census data show, the middle class in New York City shrank at a rate four times greater than in the rest of the nation, a trend occurring on Long Island as well, but at a slower pace.

That's what makes jobs like those at New York City Transit - paying between $47,000 and $55,000 with good benefits - so vital to the region's health. At these wages, working families don't have to depend on publicly funded support like Medicaid or Child Health Plus that are dependent on an already stretched tax base. Transit jobs give Caribbean and Latino families the kind of opportunities that made Irish-Americans and other European newcomers a mainstay of the region's middle class. Low-wage workers generally support better paying jobs because they provide an attainable ladder to the middle class.

Do transit workers deserve these wages and a fair increase? Transit workers perform thankless, dangerous tasks. Bus drivers face hostile customers and murderous traffic. Subway workers toil in dark, century-old and vermin-infested tunnels. A misstep can mean the difference between life and death for riders or the worker. Basic needs most of us take for granted - like going to the bathroom - are often a luxury for transit workers.

Not only is their pay justified, but transit workers are exactly the kind of workers who should be able to hold on to a middle class way of life in the 21st century.

Knowledge-driven, high-wage, service-sector economies like that of the New York City region depend on a web of mass transit. The recovery of the subway from a period of being decrepit and crime-ridden has helped propel the rebound of the region's economy. Because of a surge in population and public transit use, the MTA has a nearly $1-billion surplus this year. The MTA can afford to sustain a living wage for the workers it needs to operate the system.

The union says the MTA's final three-year salary proposal was 3 percent, 4 percent and 3.5 percent. Inflation is running at 3.5 percent in Northeastern urban areas, so this salary increase would leave workers treading water. In exchange for a zero percent real raise, the TWU has been asked to accept cuts in retirement security and health care. It's the kind of offer that is not an offer at all.

If the MTA gets its way, we can expect a slide in living standards for a whole range of public-sector workers, as the TWU pact would be used as a model for other municipal contracts. And we can expect a race to the bottom in service areas like health care and building services that have a chance to pay decent wages to working people in a globalized age. If the New York City region's 21st century economy is to keep its middle class, we need the transit workers strike to end with a fair contract

http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-...006.story?coll=ny-viewpoints-headlines

Since most are only heasring 1 side I thought I post something from the other.
 

sniperruff

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"8 a.m.: "Jail 'Em" reads the New York Post's front page headline, referring to union leaders. The Daily News goes with "War of the Words.""

even though i don't support the TWU, these republican newspapers are so blunt they are disgusting.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: sniperruff
"8 a.m.: "Jail 'Em" reads the New York Post's front page headline, referring to union leaders. The Daily News goes with "War of the Words.""

even though i don't support the TWU, these republican newspapers are so blunt they are disgusting.

nothing wrong with blunt headlines. when people are holding the city hostage i think its good to be blunt.
 

Queasy

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Since this is an illegal strike, I wonder if some of the small business owners and workers who are losing money could sue the union. I was reading some quotes yesterday where some small business owners were saying that they're losing so much money that they could end up going bankrupt.
 

Led Zeppelin

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Welcome to a world without mass transit. I have never lived in an area with it.

Me either, unless you call a bus that comes by every hour "mass transit". If you've ever been to NYC, you'd see mostly everyone can stand to shed a few pounds. Walk, you lazy MOFO's.
 

Queasy

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The union local 100's parent union is disavowing themselves of the strike and urging the union members to return to their job.

"TWU (International) hereby notifies all members of Local 100 of their obligation under the December 13, 2005 preliminary injunctions and the December 20, 2005 temporary restraining orders issued by the New York Supreme Court to cease any and all strike or strike-related activities and to report to work at their regularly assigned work hours and work locations.
"As has been reported in several media outlets, I personally spoke before the Local 100 Executive Board when it met on the morning of Dec. 20, and told them that I would not approve this strike. I told them that the only road to contract victory for the membership was not by strike but continued negotiation. I continue to believe this. It should not be construed in any way that my refusal to sanction this strike lessens my resolve to secure the best possible contract for this membership."
"I stand ready to assist the Local leadership in returning to the table."
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: Led Zeppelin
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Welcome to a world without mass transit. I have never lived in an area with it.

Me either, unless you call a bus that comes by every hour "mass transit". If you've ever been to NYC, you'd see mostly everyone can stand to shed a few pounds. Walk, you lazy MOFO's.
You have got to be kidding me. I think you're spotting some of the fat tourists from the midwest. Or some of the TWU workers. :p NOBODY walks more than New Yorkers. Hell, I've lost 15lbs since I moved here.
 

MrChad

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Originally posted by: Led Zeppelin
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Welcome to a world without mass transit. I have never lived in an area with it.

Me either, unless you call a bus that comes by every hour "mass transit". If you've ever been to NYC, you'd see mostly everyone can stand to shed a few pounds. Walk, you lazy MOFO's.

:roll: Since moving to New York a year and a half ago, I can safely say that I walk a LOT more than I used to on an average day.
 

sniperruff

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Originally posted by: loup garou
Originally posted by: Led Zeppelin
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Welcome to a world without mass transit. I have never lived in an area with it.

Me either, unless you call a bus that comes by every hour "mass transit". If you've ever been to NYC, you'd see mostly everyone can stand to shed a few pounds. Walk, you lazy MOFO's.
You have got to be kidding me. I think you're spotting some of the fat tourists from the midwest. Or some of the TWU workers. :p NOBODY walks more than New Yorkers. Hell, I've lost 15lbs since I moved here.

yeah new yorkers don't stroll. they freaking power walk. i know i do.
 

brunswickite

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Originally posted by: Led Zeppelin
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Welcome to a world without mass transit. I have never lived in an area with it.

Me either, unless you call a bus that comes by every hour "mass transit". If you've ever been to NYC, you'd see mostly everyone can stand to shed a few pounds. Walk, you lazy MOFO's.

you are a troll.
 

Led Zeppelin

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Originally posted by: brunswickite
Originally posted by: Led Zeppelin
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Welcome to a world without mass transit. I have never lived in an area with it.

Me either, unless you call a bus that comes by every hour "mass transit". If you've ever been to NYC, you'd see mostly everyone can stand to shed a few pounds. Walk, you lazy MOFO's.

you are a troll.

I am??? :Q
 

talyn00

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Originally posted by: Led Zeppelin
Originally posted by: brunswickite
Originally posted by: Led Zeppelin
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Welcome to a world without mass transit. I have never lived in an area with it.

Me either, unless you call a bus that comes by every hour "mass transit". If you've ever been to NYC, you'd see mostly everyone can stand to shed a few pounds. Walk, you lazy MOFO's.

you are a troll.

I am??? :Q

yea you are. some of the fattest people i've ever seen are in were from outside of NYC in areas with no mass transit, cause those guys just drive everywhere. Don't confuse tourists you see in NYC with New Yorkers.
 

bigrash

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: bigrash
I had to stand at the LIRR Flushing station for 2 fvcking hours today in 20 something degree weather. Just watched trains pass us by one after the other.
I hope these dumbass mta union workers diaff.


OMFG. ME too. I bet I was in the same station as you were. That was ****** stupid. I arrived at 7:30 and had to wait until like 9:45 to actually board a train. I wasn't complaning much, but some jackass shouted at a LIRR employee about the passing trains. I think the shea stadium LIRR station is good for penn station is it not?

Yeah i took the train around 9:45 too yesterday. got there around 7:40 or so.
I actually drove to Forest Hills today and took the train there instead. One of my coworkers recommended I do that and she was right. waited for 10 minutes in a huge line but then they had an empty train waiting so we all went right in.
I think Shea might be even worse than Flushing since most people get on at Flushing too and it seems that the trains bypass Murray Hill, Flushing and Shea from the LIRR website. Bayside might be a better idea.
 

MrChad

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Just heard on WNYC radio, apparently the union leadership has agreed to recommend to their board that their workers immediately return to work in order for negotiations to continue with the MTA.

Strike may end as early as this afternoon.
 

Stifko

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Originally posted by: xospec1alk
Originally posted by: Stifko
Originally posted by: DaWhim
woohoooooo, an interesting read from wsj. all I can say is I can't agree more.

What Would Reagan Do?
By STEVEN MALANGA
December 21, 2005; Page A19

.... New York officials should also privatize big chunks of the transit system, as many other cities in the U.S. and abroad are doing. For the past 50 years New York has unfortunately moved in the opposite direction, preferring to take over private lines and to house transit operations in a gigantic state agency, the MTA, or to offer no-bid franchises to a few politically connected and heavily subsidized private lines -- all in the mistaken belief that having workers on the public payrolls would prohibit strikes and make the system more reliable .....

Mr. Malanga, contributing editor to the City Journal, is the author of "The New New Left" (Ivan R. Dee, 2005).
URL for this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113513530777628211.html


idiots! I have seen first hand the quality of service go down dramatically when the city takes over a private bus line. Who are these fools in city gov't making terrible decisions and bucking a trend by putting MORE workers on city payrolls and how do they keep their jobs? Other cities are outsourcing these services and we are bringing them in house? How fargan stupid and short-sighted is that. Plus the fact that many of these private bus lines were made part of the MTA years ago and the drivers still do not have a contracts.

The whole MTA should be privatized already. Its not working and full of corruption. Look at how they were keeping 2 sets of books to hide the surplus that they "found." I am on the side of the unions. You can try to simplify this by saying that they make enough money already but there is a lot more going on. Looks like to me the MTA wanted this strike. Why else would they spring that 6% contribution thing on the union at the 11th hour? The union already said that they are not making any more concessions. They were calling their bluff?


they 'sprung' the 6% contribution on because that would have kept the retirement age at 55 instead of 62 which is what the union wanted

Yes but why was it brought up at the last minute AND why was it brought up AT ALL? The 6% contribution saves the MTA a paltry $20 million over 3 years. The NYPD has spent that much in OT over the past two days. IMHO Just because a lot of us working in the private sector are forced to contribute to our 401ks and medical insurance doesn't make it right. The MTA needs to take that condition off the table and get the union back to negotiations. Instead the MTA is saying no talks untill the work stoppage ends. This is typical Pataki style hardball BS. Fsck the governer, the mayor and the MTA, but especially the governer!
 

xospec1alk

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Originally posted by: Stifko
Originally posted by: xospec1alk
Originally posted by: Stifko
Originally posted by: DaWhim
woohoooooo, an interesting read from wsj. all I can say is I can't agree more.

What Would Reagan Do?
By STEVEN MALANGA
December 21, 2005; Page A19

.... New York officials should also privatize big chunks of the transit system, as many other cities in the U.S. and abroad are doing. For the past 50 years New York has unfortunately moved in the opposite direction, preferring to take over private lines and to house transit operations in a gigantic state agency, the MTA, or to offer no-bid franchises to a few politically connected and heavily subsidized private lines -- all in the mistaken belief that having workers on the public payrolls would prohibit strikes and make the system more reliable .....

Mr. Malanga, contributing editor to the City Journal, is the author of "The New New Left" (Ivan R. Dee, 2005).
URL for this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113513530777628211.html


idiots! I have seen first hand the quality of service go down dramatically when the city takes over a private bus line. Who are these fools in city gov't making terrible decisions and bucking a trend by putting MORE workers on city payrolls and how do they keep their jobs? Other cities are outsourcing these services and we are bringing them in house? How fargan stupid and short-sighted is that. Plus the fact that many of these private bus lines were made part of the MTA years ago and the drivers still do not have a contracts.

The whole MTA should be privatized already. Its not working and full of corruption. Look at how they were keeping 2 sets of books to hide the surplus that they "found." I am on the side of the unions. You can try to simplify this by saying that they make enough money already but there is a lot more going on. Looks like to me the MTA wanted this strike. Why else would they spring that 6% contribution thing on the union at the 11th hour? The union already said that they are not making any more concessions. They were calling their bluff?


they 'sprung' the 6% contribution on because that would have kept the retirement age at 55 instead of 62 which is what the union wanted

Yes but why was it brought up at the last minute AND why was it brought up AT ALL? The 6% contribution saves the MTA a paltry $20 million over 3 years. The NYPD has spent that much in OT over the past two days. IMHO Just because a lot of us working in the private sector are forced to contribute to our 401ks and medical insurance doesn't make it right. The MTA needs to take that condition off the table and get the union back to negotiations. Instead the MTA is saying no talks untill the work stoppage ends. This is typical Pataki style hardball BS. Fsck the governer, the mayor and the MTA, but especially the governer!

it saves the agency over 175 in 10 years...ever more each year afterwards...the nytimes, and even the post reported the 20 million over 3 years part and subsequently acknowledged that after 10 years the savings are bigger...

plus half the surplus was used to pay down the pension as well...the MTA is trying to stop themselves from going into deeper debt, with the pension being a big part of it.
 

EXccord

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are you shittng me???? 40k-55k a year?!?!?!?!? WTF...i live in texas and minimum wage is 5.15 here. Dude, i mean what the ******...i bust my ass and im getting 9.25, you dont see me complaining, im making DECENT/ACCEPTABLE money, but i wouldnt ****** complain about that ****** upthere
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: EXccord
are you shittng me???? 40k-55k a year?!?!?!?!? WTF...i live in texas and minimum wage is 5.15 here. Dude, i mean what the ******...i bust my ass and im getting 9.25, you dont see me complaining, im making DECENT/ACCEPTABLE money, but i wouldnt ****** complain about that ****** upthere

Then take your azz to New York City and see how far 40K will go, since you seem to knwo all about it :roll: