My company treats me very well. Though I'm not pulling down top salary, I'm not about to walk out on my boss for not giving me a fat $25K bonus that isn't even justified.
rh71
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Read the thread. Nobody wants a free ride. I believe (and I'm sure I'm not alone) that they're already making a fair wage. They have the right to ask for more, but if they're denied, they don't have the right to strike. They did. It's greed. It's all in here. Read the thread.
It's not immoral for workers to want better pay. It is absurd for workers to demand beyond logic compensation and it is immoral to cripple the city's transportation by walking out on them.
but let see, their base pay averages 47k before overtime. And almost certainly they put in overtime, so they most likely get paid more than cops, firefighters, sanitation workers. I would understand cost of living adjustments to their salary, but their demands aren't justified.
Do you even know what i do, where I work, or anything about me before you make such a statement?
To get back on topic, anybody with a highschool diploma, with very little skills can drive a subway or sit in a toll booth. How can they demand and expect to get 55k a year with 8 percent raises, when anybody can do their job?
That is the question.
I carpooled with a coworker to get to work. Out of my entire floor (~70 people) only four people are in the office today.
EDIT: Considering the strike is illegal, why can't they just fire the workers?
EDIT: Considering the strike is illegal, why can't they just fire the workers?
Where are they going to hire that many workers in one shot?
Maybe if the MTA actually improved service while raising my fare i would have sympathy for their position. But as it is now, their revenue has gone up, and i don't think anyone, not workers, not me, not the city, is seeing benefits. So fsck the MTA. At least the workers are trying to get some benefit from their moneys.
why don;t they just use the federal pay tables for the NYC area.
http://opm.gov/oca/05tables/html/ny.asp
it gets increased every year to match inflation. The past few years it has been going up about 4%
GS-5 pay is ebtry level clerk type work. that is $29857, for the first year. a skilled worker with some sort of certification could get maybe a GS-7 $36983 to start. There are step improvements that are pay increases for seniority.
Someone with a Master degree would only get a GS-9 $45238 if they would start working for the govt today in the NYC area. So the transit workers are getting paid enough.
and most fed workers have to contribute to their own health care. something like $50 every 2 weeks for an excellent PPO (1 person).
http://opm.gov/oca/05tables/html/ny.asp
it gets increased every year to match inflation. The past few years it has been going up about 4%
GS-5 pay is ebtry level clerk type work. that is $29857, for the first year. a skilled worker with some sort of certification could get maybe a GS-7 $36983 to start. There are step improvements that are pay increases for seniority.
Someone with a Master degree would only get a GS-9 $45238 if they would start working for the govt today in the NYC area. So the transit workers are getting paid enough.
and most fed workers have to contribute to their own health care. something like $50 every 2 weeks for an excellent PPO (1 person).
what they do with the fares is adding a new subway line, renovating older stations, replacing aging subway cars. The fact is service has been better over the past 10 years or so. (from my perspective)
Hacp
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You have obviously succumbed to the brainwashing the transit workers are trying to put into your head. The MTA revenue has gone up because of non-transit related matters. It is because of gains through real estate that are projected to be one time because of low intrest rates that we have seen this year. In the next few years, the MTA will be losing hundreds of millions of dollars. By 2007, it is projected to lose over a billion dollars. Why is it losing so much money? Because the state is not financing it with the cash. It is not the MTA's fault that they are raising fares. It is the fault of the rest of the state, who periodically drains money from the city. The union knows that the MTA is paying tens of millions of dollars in intrest from debts, and is projected to do even more borrowing. It still wants the hefty raises. They say that the MTA spent 1 billion dollars needlessly. Well, 200 million went back to the riders, 700 million for pension payments, and 100 million for security/ subway improvements. That is where all the money went, not needless IMO, unless they don't want their pensions to be funded at all.
They certainly could, but who is going to train their replacements? Where are the replacements coming from? What to do when the former union goes absolutely wild?
Not to mention it will probably cost them more in the long run to fire the whole sorry lot of them, and train replacement. If that happened, it would be months before the city would be up and running again.
The plain and simple fact is that the union KNOWS that they not only have the MTA at the balls, but they have the entire CITY at the balls. Most people arent aware of how ridiculously overpaid the workers are. Its just as much bad press for the MTA as it is for the union.
Not that press matters. People dont take the subway cause they want to, they take it cause they have to. There is no other choice.
I'm hoping bloomberg will seriously step in and make it clear that the city itself is going to make them pay very dearly if they dont get back to work.
YEAH HA HA.. I caught that... OMG! Can ya dig it???
I clearly remember when they came on the media when the fares were being raised to the now present 2.00 I said to myself MAN WHAT A PLOY.
He's staging this for his own BULLET IN THEIR POCKET FOR THIER FUTURE USE.
It was a no sweat off their back ploy back then to come on the media and say we are protesting the fare raise etc. Because it was low risk to them, no MTA repercussions, and whether the Transit Workers said anything about the fare hikes had just a little final outcome to the final fare price as did the customers themselves!
I was balling....he's asking this morning for the public to bear with them and stand by them as they did for us, during the fare hikes.
Uh huh...? You asking us to support something that you're doing which is illegal.
What did you do that was illegal, for 'us'???
Ha ha. If you walked out on the job to protest the fare hikes, wink wink... now that would be an 'eye for an eye'.
This MTA WU stuff should be on Leno.
They should start highering now. Also they should throw the union leaders in jail. They are breaking the law after all.
This strike... could possibly be hurting a lot of the 'little' guys than big NYC companies.
Now of course anywhere, there are more small businesses than there are large.
All the mom/pop shops, stores, or small companies that can't open up, or can but don't have their usual customers, and the people that are not salary based but work hourly.
This strike is not going to hit as many big players as it may have since the last strike 20+ yrs go.
It's big players that make noise, but i dont think they're affected like the illegal strikers hope.
NYC is financial sector based, among other things of course... Financial companies, most of the revenue producer employees live inside Manhattan, so they got to work as they normally do, taxi or walk. No business affected for the Markets, really. The Non revenue producer employees have technology to remote from home since the financial sector invested heavily for this stuff after 9/11, and they pay for car pool all over the city for their workers.
Now of course anywhere, there are more small businesses than there are large.
All the mom/pop shops, stores, or small companies that can't open up, or can but don't have their usual customers, and the people that are not salary based but work hourly.
This strike is not going to hit as many big players as it may have since the last strike 20+ yrs go.
It's big players that make noise, but i dont think they're affected like the illegal strikers hope.
NYC is financial sector based, among other things of course... Financial companies, most of the revenue producer employees live inside Manhattan, so they got to work as they normally do, taxi or walk. No business affected for the Markets, really. The Non revenue producer employees have technology to remote from home since the financial sector invested heavily for this stuff after 9/11, and they pay for car pool all over the city for their workers.
I saw a whole bunch of tourists coming out of a station by Columbus Circle looking very confused. :laugh:
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