this mta strike in NYC

[m2kewl]

see, the unions can't even strike correctly...they're gutless!


/damn i really didn't want to go to work....lol

 

[tami]

don, your boss is a moron if he expects you to walk to wall street in 1. this rain 2. these icy streets.

 

[MrChad]

The delays on the 4/5 downtown line were horrendous this morning.

 

[bigrash]

This strike is pathetic. I think they're asking for too much.

7 train was a little slow this morning, but it wasnt too bad.

 

[Doggiedog]

Originally posted by: amdhunter
Screw the MTA workers. I hope they all get fired and have to work minimum wage jobs. People who work for the NYC MTA are some of the laziest, rudest and unknowledgeable workers on the planet. :disgust:

Seriously. I lost my wallet a while back and only had $2. The stupid token booth guy refused to sell me a $2 fare telling me I could only buy a $4 minimum since he was too lazy to find a used metrocard to put $2 on.

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Was it just my imagination, or were they plating around with the schedules a bit.

Understatement of the millenia. The MTA has rapidly been getting steadly worse about that for about a year and a half now. And making local trains express and vice-versa is the least of it.

Late-nights (12-5) and weekends I'd say the chance of any given station south of Chambers street having the trains that are supposed to be there actually running AT ALL has been about 10-15% for all of 2005. IF the trains are running at a given station during those times there will be AT MOST 1 entrance open.

It's pretty obvious that the MTA is cutting costs beyond their limits, making sure they have less people than necessary working at any given time.

they're not cutting service, they're probably doing construction.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Welcome to a world without mass transit. I have never lived in an area with it.

 

[xospec1alk]

Q]Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: amdhunter
Screw the MTA workers. I hope they all get fired and have to work minimum wage jobs. People who work for the NYC MTA are some of the laziest, rudest and unknowledgeable workers on the planet. :disgust:

Seriously. I lost my wallet a while back and only had $2. The stupid token booth guy refused to sell me a $2 fare telling me I could only buy a $4 minimum since he was too lazy to find a used metrocard to put $2 on.[/quote]

why didn't you just buy a single ride from the metrocard machine? [

 

[Gibson486]

Thoise public workers make lots....the boston transit workers make around $15/hour to start. Most barely have an education.

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: tami
don, your boss is a moron if he expects you to walk to wall street in 1. this rain 2. these icy streets.

it was 52 degress this morning! whats up with the weather...22 degrees one morning, 52 degrees the next@!

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Welcome to a world without mass transit. I have never lived in an area with it.

Surely hayrides with the family piled on the back of Uncle Goober's truck-like conveyance to the local swine-calling festival count as some sort of public mass transportation system.

 

[ghostman]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Was it just my imagination, or were they plating around with the schedules a bit.

Actually, I've been unable to catch my bus this whole week. Of course, it might be that I'm just lazy since xmas is around the corner.

I also have no sympathy for MTA workers. I'm hoping they automate the transit system soon. Not being familiar with unions and such, is there anything stopping the transit system from hiring non-union employees?

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: isasir
This is really all you need to know. Ugh. Greedy union bastards.

The MTA proposed 6 percent raises spread over 27 months. The union, contending workers should get a share of the MTA?s $1 billion surplus, asked for an increase about four times that.

Train operators, station agents and cleaners earn between $47,000 and $55,000 a year before overtime.

yupp... oh you have surplus? Well let us take it ... all of it.

I'm moving to NYC this summer (got a job on Wall st. too)...that city would be dead without MTA

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: isasir
This is really all you need to know. Ugh. Greedy union bastards.

The MTA proposed 6 percent raises spread over 27 months. The union, contending workers should get a share of the MTA?s $1 billion surplus, asked for an increase about four times that.

Train operators, station agents and cleaners earn between $47,000 and $55,000 a year before overtime.

yupp... oh you have surplus? Well let us take it ... all of it.

I'm moving to NYC this summer (got a job on Wall st. too)...that city would be dead without MTA

not to mention the pension...wtf? retire at 50 with a FULL PENSIOn?! rediculous!

 

[geecee]

There is no "good side" here. The MTA has been providing less service for more money for the last decade and won't let anyone look at their books. The union is overly greedy, and wants concessions and raises for their workers that almost no average worker in the US gets.

EDIT: If only there was a lose-lose situation for both of them to suffer through.

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: geecee
There is no "good side" here. The MTA has been providing less service for more money for the last decade and won't let anyone look at their books. The union is overly greedy, and wants concessions and raises for their workers that almost no average worker in the US gets.

EDIT: If only there was a lose-lose situation for both of them to suffer through.

i dunno if its less service...everyone always says this yet i don't see how the service has been slacking at all...

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: ghostman

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Was it just my imagination, or were they plating around with the schedules a bit.

Actually, I've been unable to catch my bus this whole week. Of course, it might be that I'm just lazy since xmas is around the corner.

I also have no sympathy for MTA workers. I'm hoping they automate the transit system soon. Not being familiar with unions and such, is there anything stopping the transit system from hiring non-union employees?

I didn't have any problem with the bus system, it was only the subway. I did take the LIRR once and a train was 12 minutes late, but was otherwise ok.

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: geecee
There is no "good side" here. The MTA has been providing less service for more money for the last decade and won't let anyone look at their books. The union is overly greedy, and wants concessions and raises for their workers that almost no average worker in the US gets.

EDIT: If only there was a lose-lose situation for both of them to suffer through.

i dunno if its less service...everyone always says this yet i don't see how the service has been slacking at all...

me neither. i think the service has been the same

 

[syzygy]

i sympathize with the workers, mostly.

the MTA does not explain their economic ideas very well. there budget management philosophy is
an absolute mystery. for example, the 'secret' billion dollar surplus. this is not the first such surplus.
the metrocard innovation was a revenue boon for them.

so how is the surplus factored into their future plans, current expenditures, and priorities ? why speak
about looming deficits and periodic fare increases when you are hiding or keeping money back and
few people know why ? perhaps the mystery is intentional. the more you know about their economic
reasoning (which is based on speculation/prognostication, however reasonable that may be) the easier
you can challenge and expose any flaws. and they want to reduce the number of conductors ? ! ?

i sympathize with the union people for no other reason than that they have to work with the public. thats
anyone and everyone who walks in, falls in, or just happens to wander into their work area. how many of
you suffer that ?

there are usually no checks, no psychological screens, no anything, on who (or what) can walk into their
presence. they are beholden to alot of people, suffer through long-standing internal communication issues,
and are exposed to daily emergencies and periodic threats to their own safety.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: syzygy
i sympathize with the workers, mostly.

the MTA does not explain their economic ideas very well. there budget management philosophy is
an absolute mystery. for example, the 'secret' billion dollar surplus. this is not the first such surplus.
the metrocard innovation was a revenue boon for them.

so how is the surplus factored into their future plans, current expenditures, and priorities ? why speak
about looming deficits and periodic fare increases when you are hiding or keeping money back and
few people know why ? perhaps the mystery is intentional. the more you know about their economic
reasoning (which is based on speculation/prognostication, however reasonable that may be) the easier
you can challenge and expose any flaws. and they want to reduce the number of conductors ? ! ?

i sympathize with the union people for no other reason than that they have to work with the public. thats
anyone and everyone who walks in, falls in, or just happens to wander into their work area. how many of
you suffer that ?

there are usually no checks, no psychological screens, no anything, on who (or what) can walk into their
presence. they are beholden to alot of people, suffer through long-standing internal communication issues,
and are exposed to daily emergencies and periodic threats to their own safety.

your 1st 2 paragraphs: irrelevant... it has nothing to do with why the union workers DESERVE more money. They are not the only ones with employers who don't pay salaries commensurate with their profits.

last 2 paragraphs... fine you can sympathize with that, but still... is it CAUSE or REASON to DEMAND more money ? Is that their only option for employment ? Just like waiters, they chose to do this for a living. They don't necessarily DESERVE more and threatening an illegal strike does that much more to make a bad name for yourselves. Damn unions.

I'd really like to know why they can't hire non-union workers...

 

[geecee]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
i dunno if its less service...everyone always says this yet i don't see how the service has been slacking at all...

It's fine during peak hours. The off hours are a different story. Also, service in Manhattan tends to be better than that of the outer boroughs.

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: rh71
They don't necessarily DESERVE more and threatening an illegal strike does that much more to make a bad name for yourselves. Damn unions.

I'd really like to know why they can't hire non-union workers...

Why would this be an illegal strike?

 

[piasabird]

Who cares about New York, I dont live there.

 

[EPCrew]

Originally posted by: talyn00

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
its completely ridiculous.

i work on wall st. i'm from NYC. my boss ridiculued everyone from NYC saying oh don't b ea pussy if you have to walk 50 blocks do it like a man. meanwhile he lives in jersey and takes a cushy private bus from his house. little does he know i run my department by myself and without me they're crippled :evil grin;

What cushy private buses? The bus still probably only take you to Port Authority Bus Terminal and you still need to get to work from there. That's a good 50+ blocks there.

the same private lines also have buses that drop off downtown near wall street. i live down near wall street and would have had to wall to 59th street. that wouldn't have been fun.

 

[geecee]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: rh71
They don't necessarily DESERVE more and threatening an illegal strike does that much more to make a bad name for yourselves. Damn unions.

I'd really like to know why they can't hire non-union workers...

Why would this be an illegal strike?

NY's Taylor Law prohibits public employees from striking.