this mta strike in NYC

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: isasir
Seems like a good time for NYC to announce $5k daily fines for anyone that illegally strikes...

Hell, parking tickets in NYC are over $150 on occasion, so $5k fine seems fair...

isn't the fine 25k rite now? and doubles every day after that?

 

[isasir]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: isasir
Seems like a good time for NYC to announce $5k daily fines for anyone that illegally strikes...

Hell, parking tickets in NYC are over $150 on occasion, so $5k fine seems fair...

isn't the fine 25k rite now? and doubles every day after that?

Well I think the city is asking for that, but I was proposing something a bit more reasonable.

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: isasir

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: isasir
Seems like a good time for NYC to announce $5k daily fines for anyone that illegally strikes...

Hell, parking tickets in NYC are over $150 on occasion, so $5k fine seems fair...

isn't the fine 25k rite now? and doubles every day after that?

Well I think the city is asking for that, but I was proposing something a bit more reasonable.

oh eheh...thats true...25k is a little bit out of reach, and im sure they could litigate their way out of it anyhow

 

[enyce2k9]

everyone join me to download a train simulator, lets get inspired to get this job!

 

[Superself]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: syzygy
i sympathize with the workers, mostly.

the MTA does not explain their economic ideas very well. there budget management philosophy is
an absolute mystery. for example, the 'secret' billion dollar surplus. this is not the first such surplus.
the metrocard innovation was a revenue boon for them.

so how is the surplus factored into their future plans, current expenditures, and priorities ? why speak
about looming deficits and periodic fare increases when you are hiding or keeping money back and
few people know why ? perhaps the mystery is intentional. the more you know about their economic
reasoning (which is based on speculation/prognostication, however reasonable that may be) the easier
you can challenge and expose any flaws. and they want to reduce the number of conductors ? ! ?

i sympathize with the union people for no other reason than that they have to work with the public. thats
anyone and everyone who walks in, falls in, or just happens to wander into their work area. how many of
you suffer that ?

there are usually no checks, no psychological screens, no anything, on who (or what) can walk into their
presence. they are beholden to alot of people, suffer through long-standing internal communication issues,
and are exposed to daily emergencies and periodic threats to their own safety.

your 1st 2 paragraphs: irrelevant... it has nothing to do with why the union workers DESERVE more money. They are not the only ones with employers who don't pay salaries commensurate with their profits.

last 2 paragraphs... fine you can sympathize with that, but still... is it CAUSE or REASON to DEMAND more money ? Is that their only option for employment ? Just like waiters, they chose to do this for a living. They don't necessarily DESERVE more and threatening an illegal strike does that much more to make a bad name for yourselves. Damn unions.

I'd really like to know why they can't hire non-union workers...

Why can't they demand more money? Do you ever ask for a raise? Most corporations and government workers give a certain percentage raise every year. Why the hell should they not get one??

corpations generally give raise ~equal to the amount of inflation. 8% is rediculous.
Also if i ask my boss for raise and she says no, i won't stop going to work to get my way...

I don't think 8% is ridiculous. I think it is over a period of 3 years...not all at once.

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: Superself

I don't think 8% is ridiculous. I think it is over a period of 3 years...not all at once.

they want 8% a year for 3 years...totalling 24%

it WAS 9% but they backed down from that

MTA offered 3% a year for 3 years, and they just rejected that offer

 

[rh71]

fvck dude... $50k and they want $5k raises each year. Meanwhile you have people going to school for years, going through tough interviews to get a job, and still not making that much. %*(&!% these unions.

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: rh71
fvck dude... $50k and they want $5k raises each year. Meanwhile you have people going to school for years, going through tough interviews to get a job, and still not making that much. %*(&!% these unions.

i hear you man...i hear you...my first job outta college i was only making 35k. no freaking pension, and i had to contribute to my health plan...had i known the MTA was making this much, i would have just gotten a job with them, and not have wasted my time with a college education.

but now that they're not really striking i wonder if we'll take them as seriously....

 

[Zim Hosein]

Both Sides Talk, But No Accord In Transit Labor Dispute

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: geecee
There is no "good side" here. The MTA has been providing less service for more money for the last decade and won't let anyone look at their books. The union is overly greedy, and wants concessions and raises for their workers that almost no average worker in the US gets.

EDIT: If only there was a lose-lose situation for both of them to suffer through.

i dunno if its less service...everyone always says this yet i don't see how the service has been slacking at all...

If you haven't noticed the service degradation ever since they raised the fares, you have some pretty thick blinders on.

Or maybe you are paid off by them like the message board posters hired by ATI or was it NVidia (both?)?

 

[abc]

Originally posted by: rh71
fvck dude... $50k and they want $5k raises each year. Meanwhile you have people going to school for years, going through tough interviews to get a job, and still not making that much. %*(&!% these unions.

it's more than that, these union workers have mad job security and no fear of 'competition'. if you work in private industry, you fear competition/market presence from other competiters. shiet can happen and your company goes in the red, has some scandal, gets merged...and you can be out in the street calling up headhunters, worrying about a mortgage. Heck you don't even have a guarantee of landing the same salary, same situation, same coworkers where you fit well etc.

there's no 'other' transit system. hence these workers shouldn't be unionized.

i don't believe any entity that has to serve the public and for which there is no equivalent alternative should have workers that are unionized.

I don't care if Ford motor workers are unionized. We all know it's a private company, and there are GM cars I can buy instead of Ford.

These MTA workers want 'their' share of the 'surplus'. Great, increase the MTA's fixed costs 8 percent per yr, for 3 consecutive yrs. (2 wks ago didn't they want 10pct? anyway, what they 'really' want is prob 5pct ea. yr for 3 consecutive yrs, they call high, MTA calls low, reach in between)...

When the 'surplus' is gone...(that's why they call it a surplus) how's the MTA gonna meet their operational costs??? Raise fares. They did so last time.

Every time the MTA raises fares, you pay more for enjoyment of the same level of crap service. I'd readily pay more if it ever went to improved service. Anyway, if MTA is 'running at capacity' (they roll in sooo much fare money EA. DAY, strange) how they going to handle all this payroll.

MTA Transit workers union leader saying people are getting fare discounts for the holiday thanks to the surplus, MTA was going to build a new headquarters etc... but it was an insult to 'us'... where is our 'share'... lol. NO sympathy.

To say that the MTA giving fare discounts to the train riders, the customers that pay your salary, is a 'insult to us'.... realll smart.

The fare discounts, set for this time of yr and set for weekends, help the tourists this time of year more than the 9 to 5 mon to fri. NYC resident anyway.


Threat of a strike came just 2 yrs ago, and the MTA gave them raises.

Basically, the past 2 yrs plus the next 3, = 5yrs, the salaries will have gone up about... 20-25 pct?

That's hot for a job with OT, little pressure to finish things on set project schedules.... and all the while job security, and probably a heck of a lot of time off!

I'd love to see them strike. DO IT... Settle it as you threatened just 2 yrs ago and before those fares went up. Incur 2 days pay fine for every 1 day you strike. Stand by how 'unfair and insulted' you've felt and unrespected for the work you do. NO pain, no gain.

I laughed that they threatened to strike on Fri. rather than last monday. I also laughed that they basically initiated a smallscale isolated strike affecting some residents of 1 borough - queens. and that the next strike deadline totally bypasses a monday, as it is set for midnight, monday night.

All i've ever seen are NYC teachers beg tooth and nail for 1-3 pct increases.

I don't see Firefighters or Police as greedy as these MTA workers.

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: geecee
There is no "good side" here. The MTA has been providing less service for more money for the last decade and won't let anyone look at their books. The union is overly greedy, and wants concessions and raises for their workers that almost no average worker in the US gets.

EDIT: If only there was a lose-lose situation for both of them to suffer through.

i dunno if its less service...everyone always says this yet i don't see how the service has been slacking at all...

If you haven't noticed the service degradation ever since they raised the fares, you have some pretty thick blinders on.

Or maybe you are paid off by them like the message board posters hired by ATI or was it NVidia (both?)?

examples?

 

[oboeguy]

It doesn't look good for the strike. Good thing for me that 1) I bike everywhere and 2) am ABD and work from home.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: oboeguy
It doesn't look good for the strike. Good thing for me that 1) I bike everywhere and 2) am ABD and work from home.

Yep, I say bring it on, I'm cleared to work from home through Thursday, and I have a car service reserved to LaGuardia on Thursday afternoon, and will be out of town for a week.

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: geecee
There is no "good side" here. The MTA has been providing less service for more money for the last decade and won't let anyone look at their books. The union is overly greedy, and wants concessions and raises for their workers that almost no average worker in the US gets.

EDIT: If only there was a lose-lose situation for both of them to suffer through.

i dunno if its less service...everyone always says this yet i don't see how the service has been slacking at all...

Depends on the area I suppose. I know the bus services in Staten Island have degraded in past years. Bus Depots refusing to release more buses during the morning rush hour and as a result forcing students (who normally take the local) and workers to cram into what little express buses there are. This of course results in more frequent and longer delays.

My condolensces for living in SI...

Meh, its quiet, peaceful (well on my block) and tranquil. I live near a park where its clean. Can't complain.

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: oboeguy
It doesn't look good for the strike. Good thing for me that 1) I bike everywhere and 2) am ABD and work from home.

i thought you don't live in the city...?

 

[oboeguy]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk

Originally posted by: oboeguy
It doesn't look good for the strike. Good thing for me that 1) I bike everywhere and 2) am ABD and work from home.

i thought you don't live in the city...?

Eh? Since when? Sure I've worked out outside of NYC and travel a lot but I still live here. NYC FTW! Maybe the confusion stems from which side of the GWB I live? I'm on the NYC side, no the Fort Lee side.

 

[loup garou]

Now Metro North Transit Union is saying they'll strike too if TWU does. Scumbag representative was talking about their illegal strike being like Rosa Parks' civil disobedience. :roll:

 

[rh71]

abc - good write-up... I really want them to strike as well. "Sorry for doing this during the holidays" my @$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Greedy b!tches.

 

[isasir]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the starting salary for a NYC police officer actually lower than the average pay for an MTA worker?

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: isasir
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the starting salary for a NYC police officer actually lower than the average pay for an MTA worker?

Starting salary is 25K. Here's the NYPD salary scale and yes.. many MTA workers make more than cops. Thats beyond sad.

NYPD Salary

Originally posted by: loup garou
Now Metro North Transit Union is saying they'll strike too if TWU does. Scumbag representative was talking about their illegal strike being like Rosa Parks' civil disobedience. :roll:

Can you believe the nerve of them talking about Rosa Parks?? I also heard the TWU pres talk about the MTA not respecting Martin Luther King Jr. day! unbelievable

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: syzygy
they do hire non-union workers for select assignments but they cannot hire non-union workers en masse to challenge their unionized labor force. that would be illegal. other restrictions apply as well.

I'd like more details/explanations about this. A union makes zero sense here, am I wrong ?

 

[Dessert Tears]

I saw on the news Sunday morning that instead of moving the fully-pensioned retirement age up to 62 for new hires, the union wanted it moved down to 50 for all workers. I haven't seen any corroboration in print or otherwise, however. That's one crazy demand.

 

[Hacp]

Union is wrong Perriod. During these tough times, we need to crack down on the things that non-skilled laborers get for free. Pensions are rising. Does the US need more debt? Does the city need more debt? I hope that the Union strikes for 20 days. That will bankrupt the union, and force all the MTA workers, who voted for the strike to go into debt. They are stupid just for threatening to strike. If there is a strike tommorow, I will show my defiance and still attend school.

 

[Linux23]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Union is wrong Perriod. During these tough times, we need to crack down on the things that non-skilled laborers get for free. Pensions are rising. Does the US need more debt? Does the city need more debt? I hope that the Union strikes for 20 days. That will bankrupt the union, and force all the MTA workers, who voted for the strike to go into debt. They are stupid just for threatening to strike. If there is a strike tommorow, I will show my defiance and still attend school.

I pray that they strike tomorrow. I will drive down to the Princeton, NJ office and enjoy not having to be crammed in a subway for an hour.