thats why its off hours though...and i've been taking the R train from 63rd drive in queens my WHOLE life (all 23 years of it but still) and its been pretty much the same to me..
They told us where the surplus came from...it came from higher than expected taxes or something...and they even detailed why they will fall into a deficit later...i forget exactly why, but there are numerous news articles about it. also part of the reason is because of their pension demands....
also, the metrocard boom is not that much of a boom...prior to the metrocard, and even the gold metrocard, there were NO subway to bus/bus to subway transfers...only bus to bus transfers...there was NO monthly/weekly/fun passes...sure more people started riding the train, but the average fare actually dropped to about a little over a dollar.
I work at the help desk of a major bank, and the remote access servers are maxed out because of all the New York employees telecommuting today.
what profits ? the MTA isn't in the business of making a profit. they are a PUBLIC-BENEFIT corporation whose members are nominated by our elected representative. they're funding comes from the tax purse and the pockets of commuters (38% from dedicated taxes; 7% state and local subsidies; 43% farebox revenue; 14% toll revenue).
there's no federal subsidy. there once was but no longer.
as for your logic (which you wield without any examples), just because there are
other employers 'who don't pay salaries commensurate with profits' does not mean
the MTA has to follow the same delinquency.
they do hire non-union workers for select assignments but they cannot hire non-union workers en masse to challenge their unionized labor force. that would be illegal. other
restrictions apply as well.
yes, it is a cause in itself when you're last contract did not economically address the new security concerns post-9/11. if there is an attack in the subway, these workers will be
among the first responders who would help the public flee to safety. they would be
expected to sacrifice their own safety to help others. so yes, in itself, the heightened
responsibility towards the public, the increased threats, and the incumbent sacrifices
expected from them should be worth a 25% increase. and thats a bargain.
Why can't they demand more money? Do you ever ask for a raise? Most corporations and government workers give a certain percentage raise every year. Why the hell should they not get one??
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Then try riding some other train lines in some other boroughs from time to time!
Seriously, for a city that is probably more dependent on mass transportation than just about any other in the country, off hour cuts affect people pretty dramatically. While some of us can afford to just hail a cab, not everyone has that luxury. Combine that with off hour token booth closings and it also affects safety of the ridership. A lot of those cuts are in outer borough and/or late night bus routes and subway service. It might not be such a big deal to have to wait on an underground subway platform for an hour for a train but try doing it outside at a bus shelter or elevated subway station on a frigid night. OTOH, I'd agree with the person that said that service may even have improved, as long as we're only talking about rush hour.
SarcasticDwarf
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Big flipping deal. A person should be expected to put their lives on the line for others. If you want to give people better pay for putting their lives at risk, why don't you start with the people who do it every moment of every day? What about the US military? Cops? Firefighters?
Originally posted by: geecee
Then try riding some other train lines in some other boroughs from time to time!
Seriously, for a city that is probably more dependent on mass transportation than just about any other in the country, off hour cuts affect people pretty dramatically. While some of us can afford to just hail a cab, not everyone has that luxury. Combine that with off hour token booth closings and it also affects safety of the ridership. A lot of those cuts are in outer borough and/or late night bus routes and subway service. It might not be such a big deal to have to wait on an underground subway platform for an hour for a train but try doing it outside at a bus shelter or elevated subway station on a frigid night. OTOH, I'd agree with the person that said that service may even have improved, as long as we're only talking about rush hour.
I know exactly what you mean. I used to take the Q13 from bayside to flushing, and then the Q58 from flushing back to forest hills...it took me damn near 2hours at 1am, I just had to deal with it. You can't expect the MTA to run a full schedule that late in the day almost every day.
its one of the worst things about having a 24hr mass transit system, but at the end of the day, its a 24hr round the clock mass transit sytem...
SarcasticDwarf
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Originally posted by: geecee
Then try riding some other train lines in some other boroughs from time to time!
Seriously, for a city that is probably more dependent on mass transportation than just about any other in the country, off hour cuts affect people pretty dramatically. While some of us can afford to just hail a cab, not everyone has that luxury. Combine that with off hour token booth closings and it also affects safety of the ridership. A lot of those cuts are in outer borough and/or late night bus routes and subway service. It might not be such a big deal to have to wait on an underground subway platform for an hour for a train but try doing it outside at a bus shelter or elevated subway station on a frigid night. OTOH, I'd agree with the person that said that service may even have improved, as long as we're only talking about rush hour.
I actually almost had some major problems with the subway last week. I missed my stop on the N (or maybe the R, can't recall) and ended up ending up on whichever landmass is East of Manhattan. I figured I would get off and catch the same train Westbound. This was only at 11pm. The last train of that type left the station at 11:07, which I *barely* made. I don't know wtf I would have done.
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: geecee
Then try riding some other train lines in some other boroughs from time to time!
Seriously, for a city that is probably more dependent on mass transportation than just about any other in the country, off hour cuts affect people pretty dramatically. While some of us can afford to just hail a cab, not everyone has that luxury. Combine that with off hour token booth closings and it also affects safety of the ridership. A lot of those cuts are in outer borough and/or late night bus routes and subway service. It might not be such a big deal to have to wait on an underground subway platform for an hour for a train but try doing it outside at a bus shelter or elevated subway station on a frigid night. OTOH, I'd agree with the person that said that service may even have improved, as long as we're only talking about rush hour.
I actually almost had some major problems with the subway last week. I missed my stop on the N (or maybe the R, can't recall) and ended up ending up on whichever landmass is East of Manhattan. I figured I would get off and catch the same train Westbound. This was only at 11pm. The last train of that type left the station at 11:07, which I *barely* made. I don't know wtf I would have done.
probably the R, the R doesn't run "late-nights" but then you could have caught the N/W which picks up the slack on that line (in bklyn) or the E in queens...
rh71
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and that's exactly the reason I am against their actions/methods. They use this threat of a strike to [undoubtedly] purposely and publicly get backing. The last time I asked for a raise, I didn't get ANYONE else (like a union who says "yeah me too") to back me up and I most certainly didn't suggest to them: YOU NEED ME SHOULD SOMETHING LIKE (insert previous disaster here) HAPPEN AGAIN.
It works like this - show them what you've done [better] and they'll consider giving you a RAISE (which is not required). GO DO SOMETHING ELSE IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH YOUR COMPENSATION. How can anyone be on the side of saboteurs ? Tell me, syzygy... do you know someone in a union ? Or this union ?
Depends on the area I suppose. I know the bus services in Staten Island have degraded in past years. Bus Depots refusing to release more buses during the morning rush hour and as a result forcing students (who normally take the local) and workers to cram into what little express buses there are. This of course results in more frequent and longer delays.
I have a better idea.
I've been told it's illegal for the MTA to hire non-union workers. So here's what I say.
Make it legal for the unioners to strike.
Make it legal for the MTA to fire their asses and hire non-union workers.
Problem solved.
rh71
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MTA says offer rejected by NY union is final
Union: You need us, give us more money
MTA: A 9% raise is enough. Blow me.
Union: You need us, give us more money
MTA: A 9% raise is enough. Blow me.
Seems like a good time for NYC to announce $5k daily fines for anyone that illegally strikes...
Hell, parking tickets in NYC are over $150 on occasion, so $5k fine seems fair...
Hell, parking tickets in NYC are over $150 on occasion, so $5k fine seems fair...
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