this is where the immigrants should march

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: rhino56

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rhino56
RIGHT HERE

The odds are high that somewhere along the line someone in your family immigrated to the US....emigrated from somewhere else for some reason....


ie...STFU

Legally yes.

 

[rhino56]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

As I said, my family is made up of once-illegal immigrants.

My uncle is a Nurse for the Navy.

My dad is an EMT ( is mistakenly said paramedic last time) with a firedepartment in MD

my mom works for headstart.

my aunt and her husband are preachers.

They all pay taxes too.....I think they fit the model for people who 'contribute to society.'

I realize that you are bitteron this issue, and rightfully so, but realize there are solutions that don't result in full amnesty or, widespread deportation, or continuous hemmoraging of the countries' finances. Those avenues only lead to bad things.

Like I said, let them work here legally but tax them for the right to work here without a say as to where or how those funds are spent and be done with it.

while i understand that all ppl are different and have different value systems... i would not be in a hurry to openly state that my parents were law breakers.

your family came here ... were breaking laws and found a way to be legal. congrats for them. they did it backwards, illegally, and made it work for them.

i am not bitter on the issue... i am honest, honest and law abiding, on the issue. illegals, law breakers.. should not be rewarded.

instead of just letting them work here illegally and THEN apply ... why not make them apply FIRST then come here and work. not break the laws and skate.

what i am pissed off about is those that want to make all of this a grey area, when it is black and white. i am tired of hearing how illegals do work that Americans wont. Americans did them just fine before illegals came and undercut the wages. Americans were just fine before they had to pay extra taxes because illegals became entitled to medical coverage they couldnt afford for themselves or their families. Americans were just fine paying out of state college fees until illegals got FREE college or in state fees at the expense of those who did NOT break the laws. Americans were just fine paying taxes for schools, until the taxes skyrocketed to pay for illegals , who were in schools that they werent entitled to, and needed extra attention because they did not speak english. Americans were just fine understanding that America is the greatest country in the world and that ppl were willing to put their lives on the line to come here for a better life, before ppl broke our laws to get here and then demanded that we change our laws to suit them who wanted to pledge allegience to their home country while taking advantage to all the goodies that LEGAL ppl here worked for.

No, sorry... i do not think that ppl who are here ILLEGALLY should get a damn thing as far as concessions.

If we shipped all the illegals back tomorrow, we would suffer a short time of economic hardship... then jobs would go back to decent wages to ppl who are here legally. no matter where they came from, they would be here legally and that would be fair.

we will probably have to agree to disagree here, because in my mind... there is nothing that could be said to me that would make me think that ILLEGAL actvity should be rewarded with one of the most precious GIFTS ever... the GIFT of being able to live and work in the greatest country on the planet.

The US had a hand in fvking ravaging their country. I'll shout it from the mountain tops if I have to like so many salvadoreans did today in D.c..

I am not afraid to defend them on this issue.


Think of it like speeding to get your pregnant wife, whos's water jsut broke, to sanctuary, in this case, a hospital, as fast as possible.

Are you jsutified in breaking the law for that? One could defintiely argue that you are not entitled to break the law for convenience, medical reasons or othersie, but the fact is that, deep down inside, you know it is the right decision and damn the law....you'll face that juge with your held up high. Sure it was stupid and wreckless and illogical, but it was all you could do to try and secure the future of your child.


Same idea as to what happned with my family.

Sure it was stupid, wrong, illeagal, and a whole hsot of other thigns, but it was either that or live life in a war-torn nation.

so what happens when your wreckless illogical self justified speeding car runs down my child who is legallycrossing the street? because in your hypothetical terms that is in essence what is happening.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: rhino56

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rhino56
RIGHT HERE

The odds are high that somewhere along the line someone in your family immigrated to the US....emigrated from somewhere else for some reason....


ie...STFU

Legally yes.

 

[Feldenak]

:thumbsup:

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
That is crap. if ppl wanna come here ...then let them apply and come here legally. Not break our laws, come here illegally, undercut wages, drain the system in education, medical and the rest ... then say that since they are already here, we should loosen and change our laws to to reward them and make them legal and offer them concessions.

and once they get here... they need to assimilate.

Many times applying for citizenship is simply implausible for many.....you think we are going to give citizenship to people who can't even mail the damn form because they live in a shack without an address?

<---one of his relatives lives in shack not too far from in Mexico city, not to far from the airport.

[/quote]

Well, it sucks for them then.

if they want it bad enough, they will get it ...LEGALLY!

I know this for a fact, because I come from ppl who did not speak the language... and learned and came here legally.

if someone wants something bad enough, they find a legal way to get it... it is called working for it.

or shall i just go and steal a ford mustang... cause i want it and it is not plausible for me to get it?[/quote]


I believe she had running water and a light bulb but that was about it....you figure out why citizenship is out ofher reach.[/quote]

See... here is the thing... you seem to feel that i owe her something. that the ppl of america owe her something. that it should be ok for her to break our laws, undercut our wages and sponge off our system... the same system that millions of ppl apply to have the priviledge of LEGALLY...

i find it hard to believe that these illegals can be smart enough to know how to break our laws and make a living here.... take advantage of our system here... as far as medical and education and welfare and the rest... yet not be smart enough to find a way to be legal. are you saying that this girl you mention... she is not smart enough to find any living person on the planet who can speak english to fill out forms for her?

i dont need to figure out a way to find out why her citizenship is out of her reach. or find a way to get it for her. i am too busy trying to keep my head above water... earning a living, pay college fees, and find a way to pay medical bills.... since i am FORCED to pay medical bills and education for others, i cannot afford it for myself.

legal immigrants... the ones that come here LEGALLY... who learn the language, follow the laws of our country, who pledge allegience to the great USA FIRST, and contribute to society... they are welcome and make this country great. those that break our laws.... they need to be deported. then they can apply to be here and work here and contribute here. they dont need to break our laws and be rewarded with freedoms and citizenship to the USA ... which is so very precious.

[/quote]

QFT

We have the most lax immigration laws of any nation, and yet they are still trampled on. People seem to believe that we should be the caretakers of the world, and thats just BS. Living in the US is a right not a privelage. And just because we have a land border with Mexico doesn't mean they should have a free pass to come and go as they please, imagine if all the lessor developed countries had this kind of access.

I live in Texas and have dealt with illegal immigrants my whole life. I have had many good friends over the years that were here illegally, but that doesn't change the fact that they have broken our laws and shouldn't be here.

I would like to see the immigration laws made even more lax, to the point where any good and decent person that wants to come here has the chance. But I also believe strongly that the 11+ million people that are here illegally should be deported and I don't believe in some arbitrary time limit (been here five years and you can stay), if your here illegally you should be sent home, period. And for those legal immigrants working in this country the amount of money they send across the border should be limited.

 

[Cruisin1]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rhino56
RIGHT HERE

The odds are high that somewhere along the line someone in your family immigrated to the US....emigrated from somewhere else for some reason....


ie...STFU

Yeah you're right, but the difference is they did it legally.

 

[Queasy]

Actually, I think Right Here is where they should be protesting since it is the corrupt economic and social conditions that have led them to become illegal aliens in the USA.

 

[NuclearNed]

If illegal immigrants want to stay here, then I have no problem with it IF AND ONLY IF they meet the following criteria:

1) they agree to pay back-taxes for all the public services of which they have taken advantage during the time they have been here illegally
2) they agree to become legal citizens, subject to all the rights, privileges, penalties, and duties expected of US citizens
3) they agree to uphold, follow, and defend the laws of the United States as well as laws in the state, county, city, etc. where they live

Otherwise, boot them back to where they came from.

 

[imported_Skold]

I'm sick of this BS!

ILLEGAL...

Why should they be given anything for circumventing our already existing LEGAL way of immigrating?

Why do we not hear the word ILLEGAL used on media coverage for this?

Why do our elected officials pander to illegals looking for votes when it's citizens are 70+% against illegals being allowed to be here?

Why do we allow them to bleed our healthcare system, and government assistance dry?

Why do we allow them to gather and protest in our country when they should be doing that in their own?

Why do we listen to their drivel and lame justifications for deserving anything other than a free trip back to where they came from???

WHEN is America going to pull its head out of its arse?

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
resisting education? You're kidding, right?

No - and it's happening right in your own back yard.

Washington Post story

From the story:

Santos Parada, a 12th-grade government teacher at Gar-Field, said many families are indifferent to their children missing so much school and do not understand the magnitude of the effect the long absences have on the children.

Also from the story:

At least one school in Prince William County is facing the challenge head-on. At Gar-Field Senior High School in Woodbridge, school officials have been tracking absences quarterly, especially among the school's increasing Hispanic population. Assistant Principal Myca Gray conducted a small-scale analysis in which she began noticing patterns among subgroups of students who were habitually absent.

Gray noticed that students in the English for Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL) program, who are mostly Hispanic, made up, on any day, 29 percent to 42 percent of all absences. She noticed that it happens three times a year: shortly after September, December and Easter.

Education's real important, huh? :roll: I guess if certain people can't be bothered to learn English, expecting them to learn much else is just too much of a stretch.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Skold
I'm sick of this BS!

ILLEGAL...

Why should they be given anything for circumventing our already existing LEGAL way of immigrating?

I'm with you so far. We are a nation of laws and allowing people to openly ignore them while the government willfully refuses to enforce them erodes this. This of course does not preclude looking at our methods for allowing legal immigration and changing them if they need to be changed.

Why do we not hear the word ILLEGAL used on media coverage for this?

Because words have meaning and the media understand exactly what they are doing when they substitute "undocumented" for "illegal".

Why do our elected officials pander to illegals looking for votes when it's citizens are 70+% against illegals being allowed to be here?

The democrats see potential democratic voters and the republicans receive a lot of support from businesses that want the supply of cheap labor.

Why do we allow them to bleed our healthcare system, and government assistance dry?

They are here and no one is willing to allow people to die on our streets or deny them emergency medical services based on their immigration status.

Why do we allow them to gather and protest in our country when they should be doing that in their own?


Why do we listen to their drivel and lame justifications for deserving anything other than a free trip back to where they came from???

Putting aside the practical considerations of how you would deport 12 million people? There are very few people that would actually support deporting all 12 million of them no questions asked. Sadly both parties in congress want to play politics with this rather than address the problem with practical solutions which everyone realistically understands will have to contain both increased enforcement along the border, harsher penalties to businesses that employ illegal workers, a plan to get the 12 million currently here illegally in the system and legal, and true reform to the process by which we allow people to legally enter the US. I personally feel that immigration is very beneficial to our country.

WHEN is America going to pull its head out of its arse?

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: JasonSix78

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: JasonSix78
You know, I worked with an illegal for several years and from what he told me not all of Mexico is horrible to live in, it actually sounds pretty darned nice. I asked him why he wanted to leave and basically he told me just for some money. His plan is to stay here and work for 10 or so years and then return home. Also, my best bud's friend is an engineer for Caterpillar and they transfered him down to Mexico several years ago and he loves it down there.

I've got nothing against Mexican folks moving here but they've got to start doing it through the proper channels. There's alternatives to those who are in bad situations down in Mexico. If they can come up with $2500-$5000 to pay a coyote to bring them in illegally, then they have the resources to make their home better.

-Jason

This is what a comprehensive guest worker program would be great for. He would pay taxes in exchange for being allowed to work here but because he is not a citizen, that money would go to the Us government or state governments etc.

Exactly, that would be an excellent idea. The only problem is if they would initiate such a program without addressing the illegal immigrate situation, more folks would continue coming in illegally than going through the program. Shoot, how many folks would take a chance of just being slapped on the wrist for not paying taxes?

-Jason

If they don't pay taxes deport them. simple as that.

To initiate it, grant a one year tax waiver for all of those are already here and make any new immigrants start paying immeidately.


Sure it will make life for them a complete hell, but this way it is fair. If they want america but don;t want to pledge their allegiance to old glory, jsut make 'em pay.

If they don't want to pledge allegiance to our country then they can get the ****** out.

 

[zanieladie]

YAIT. *sigh*

 

[Fenixgoon]

mexico has the same problem with everyone south of their border (they hate south americans coming up to mexico)... oh the irony:disgust:
sorry, but illegals gotta go. come here legally, i'm all for it. but if you skip ahead of the line, you're damn right i wanna haul your ass to the back of it.

 

[OutHouse]

build a wall
deport as many as we can
fine the sh*t out of companies who hire illegals

= Profit

 

[Goosemaster]

I jsut feel compelled to defend them but realie that many of you are right.....

I've lived my life around good people and I guess that has blinded me from certain truths. Like I said, the way some people act in california is seemlingly incomprehensible to me

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: falias
The only Mexican that needs to be deported to Mexico is Carlos Mencia, that guy a fvcking ass.

They might not take him considering he isn't Mexican but only plays one on TV.

 

[Ivan Danko]

Stupid, Ignorant American.

You need to go back to your social studies class and understand where you came from, the only legal americans are native americans. If you are not of native american descent, you are an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT and you need to shut THE F_CK UP.

---

Hello. Good bye.

AnandTech Moderator

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Ivan Danko
Stupid, Ignorant American.

You need to go back to your social studies class and understand where you came from, the only legal americans are native americans. If you are not of native american descent, you are an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT and you need to shut THE F_CK UP.

Wrong. The indians had no formal nation state with borders to violate. In fact go back far enough and they were immigrants as well.

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: Ivan Danko
Stupid, Ignorant American.

You need to go back to your social studies class and understand where you came from, the only legal americans are native americans. If you are not of native american descent, you are an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT and you need to shut THE F_CK UP.

Unfortunately that isn't the way it worked back then. What happened to the Native Americans wasn't nice and it wasn't pretty, but it was acceptable according to the morals of the time. You really can't judge it by todays standards. Additionally, you make it sound like there was one unified America before the Europeans arrived. There wasn't, and you can be sure that the same damned things went on between the native tribes. There was plenty of war and lots of people got driven off of their land. Your claim just doesn't hold water.

I grew up in South Dakota. I always get a kick out of the lawsuits filed by the Sioux tribes, for example the one where they tried to regain ownership of the Black Hills. Why? The US Government kicked them off their land. What they don't mention in the lawsuit is that a hundred years earlier they had kicked the Kiowa off of that very land. Do the the Kiowa "deserve" it more than the Sioux? Not at all because they undoubtedly kicked someone else out before they got there.

Perhaps it's time you went back to your social studies class to understand where you came from. You seem to have an unrealistic view of the pre-US Americas

 

[JDrake]

Legally yes.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: Ivan Danko
Stupid, Ignorant American.

You need to go back to your social studies class and understand where you came from, the only legal americans are native americans. If you are not of native american descent, you are an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT and you need to shut THE F_CK UP.

Idiot.

 

[tfinch2]

Goosemaster, you must not live in a city where illegals is a problem. Come to Texas for a few months and watch this scum in action, then form an opinion.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: tfinch2
Goosemaster, you must not live in a city where illegals is a problem. Come to Texas for a few months and watch this scum in action, then form an opinion.

To reiterate, this is probably the case.

 

[BooGiMaN]

the true criminals are the politicians that are lollygagging and taking their sweet ass time coming up with a viable reform because the want to step back and see how to best exploit this situation for their political gain


seriously how man recesses will congress take before they make up their damn minds?