There is no ....... wow....... you chose to clip one tiny part of a document that pertained to the citizens of one country againt the tyranny of another. either use the entire document or none of it. the protections of the declaration of independence of the united states does not apply to everyone on the planet.
There is no ....... wow....... you chose to clip one tiny part of a document that pertained to the citizens of one country againt the tyranny of another. either use the entire document or none of it. the protections of the declaration of independence of the united states does not apply to everyone on the planet.
if i were in labor and carjacked someone and went speeding down the highway to get to the hospital, yes...i would be open to prosecution. there are systems in place to deal with such things. like ambulances, police escorts and etc..... there is no need for me to break the laws for my own ends at the expense of others.
Just because you don't see the need doesn't mean it doesn't exist....
taht said, I gave an example where the husband is pullling off a selfless and inherantly stupid act for that one chance at glory for his child.
You think that is a "tiny" part of the document? It is the basis for the rest of the document bitching about the King. I think it would do you some good to actually read the document but I won't post the text here.
It certainly does not say:
We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men of the US are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.[/b]
That would be against the idea of "unalienable rights" which by the way wasn't a new concept introduced with the Declaration............
I recognise the need. the want, the desire....
i just dont think it is right to break the law and make others pay for my decision to do so because i did not follow those laws. i also do not think that lawbreakers are entitled to any benefit for their illegal activities, especially not at the expense of others.
you do not need to post it for me... i have read it numerous times... and i know what it is and i know what it is not... and what it is not is a few lines here and there for ppl to quote whenever it fits what is beneficial to the their argument.
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: RCN
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: JasonSix78
Exactly, that would be an excellent idea. The only problem is if they would initiate such a program without addressing the illegal immigrate situation, more folks would continue coming in illegally than going through the program. Shoot, how many folks would take a chance of just being slapped on the wrist for not paying taxes?
-Jason
If they don't pay taxes deport them. simple as that.
To initiate it, grant a one year tax waiver for all of those are already here and make any new immigrants start paying immeidately.
Sure it will make life for them a complete hell, but this way it is fair. If they want america but don;t want to pledge their allegiance to old glory, jsut make 'em pay.
Simple as that huh? How much will it cost to make sure they pay their taxes and monitor employers. I would imagine it would be a net loss............
Eh, who cares if they pay taxes, sure they SHOULD but people need to look at the big picture, not that stupid dude in the corner who is 10 pixels/dots tall and is apparently mounting a donkey..
So they pay taxes like good americans, so what; they hopped the border, got jobs here, are uneducated, provide no benefit to the economy besides mask the rate of inflation, drain the system from needy citizens, and then all of a sudden we give them amnesty. This effectively lets all of them cut in line in becoming citizens while we have all these people from asia and other parts of the world who are educated, and could benefit us but are stuck in line, like law abiding people, wating to get in the country and eventually becoming citizens.
I think while this may seem incredibly rude and unethical, line them up in becoming citizens at some government building, walk them into a room which is really the back of a jail car, lock the car, drive the damned car across the border and drop them off, continuing this until most if not all of them are gone, then sealing up the borders.. Look at the facts, they're not citizens therefore THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS, if they want to b1tch and moan about their rights being violated, too bad, they're not citizens, maybe they should go across the border, get in line, become a citizen and then b1tch, by then they won't care anymore..
Who said anything about just giving them amnesty?
Make them apply for citizenship like everyone else, but in the man time, they are bettering themselves and becoming better potential candidates.
That said, this is not a country of the elite. You make it sound like the wealthy deserve to come here more than the poor.
No, but the educated should have a much higher priority when coming here than the working class. We've already got our fair share of working class, we don't need any more at the moment.. I don't hate hispanics, I don't hate mexicans, I'm just plain in simple not racist, but when people break the law and expect the government of another country to say 'it's all right..' just because they're in droves, that just down right pisses me off, I don't care WHO you are... I treat everybody the same in the sense of ethnic group. I don't hate uneducated people but they DO give the impression they don't care. To be perfectly honest, not only do uneducated offer very little, our country already has enough of them, we don't need anymore than we got, we've got our own problems, go fix your own, that isn't our job.
education usually requires money.
That comes off as discrimination to me.
'bring me your tired your poor'
that is what is wrong with america and why so many people come here illegally. They simply don't stand a chance of getting in.
I still think educated people should have a higher priority than people who come here illegally.. People who are educated at least have some sort of drive to better themselves, who is to say that the illegals that come here won't repeat the cycle they have in their country? Education aside, the point is, you either come here legally or you don't come here at all.
People say that terrorism should be a higher priority, thats great, in a way it should but then again, if we can't control our borders and end up allowing 11 million illegals into this country, whats to say that a terrorist with a nuke couldn't just walk across the border in the same fashion? It's and obvious and glaring hole, a hole that if continues to go unpatched, may lead to something far more serious than illegals coming into our country and sucking it dry of resources use to either 'educate them etc.' or get them out of here/fight them off, resources that should be used to benefit our communities and our country as a whole..
We as a nation, bound by that declartion, are bound to defend those truths for all man.
IF were are asked to judge man, we must accept our own delaration that all men are created equally and have certain unalienable rights under god
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
btw, great discussion people. I 'm surprised at home civilized this is proceeding
I agree... this is a great discussion. i doubt that anyone will have their minds changes on such a higly charged topic, but I am confident in my hope that we will all be civil and be friends again at the end of it.
as for me... as much as i have enjoyed this... it is now 6:00AM here in NJ and the b/f is home from work, fed and it is now time for bed for us.
thanks for a good heated debate.
:roll:
So what do you think unalienable rights are? Are they endowed upon all men by their creator or just those who were born in the US?
Quit telling me what you "know" and tell me what you think that statement means..............
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: RCN
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: JasonSix78
Exactly, that would be an excellent idea. The only problem is if they would initiate such a program without addressing the illegal immigrate situation, more folks would continue coming in illegally than going through the program. Shoot, how many folks would take a chance of just being slapped on the wrist for not paying taxes?
-Jason
If they don't pay taxes deport them. simple as that.
To initiate it, grant a one year tax waiver for all of those are already here and make any new immigrants start paying immeidately.
Sure it will make life for them a complete hell, but this way it is fair. If they want america but don;t want to pledge their allegiance to old glory, jsut make 'em pay.
Simple as that huh? How much will it cost to make sure they pay their taxes and monitor employers. I would imagine it would be a net loss............
Eh, who cares if they pay taxes, sure they SHOULD but people need to look at the big picture, not that stupid dude in the corner who is 10 pixels/dots tall and is apparently mounting a donkey..
So they pay taxes like good americans, so what; they hopped the border, got jobs here, are uneducated, provide no benefit to the economy besides mask the rate of inflation, drain the system from needy citizens, and then all of a sudden we give them amnesty. This effectively lets all of them cut in line in becoming citizens while we have all these people from asia and other parts of the world who are educated, and could benefit us but are stuck in line, like law abiding people, wating to get in the country and eventually becoming citizens.
I think while this may seem incredibly rude and unethical, line them up in becoming citizens at some government building, walk them into a room which is really the back of a jail car, lock the car, drive the damned car across the border and drop them off, continuing this until most if not all of them are gone, then sealing up the borders.. Look at the facts, they're not citizens therefore THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS, if they want to b1tch and moan about their rights being violated, too bad, they're not citizens, maybe they should go across the border, get in line, become a citizen and then b1tch, by then they won't care anymore..
Who said anything about just giving them amnesty?
Make them apply for citizenship like everyone else, but in the man time, they are bettering themselves and becoming better potential candidates.
That said, this is not a country of the elite. You make it sound like the wealthy deserve to come here more than the poor.
No, but the educated should have a much higher priority when coming here than the working class. We've already got our fair share of working class, we don't need any more at the moment.. I don't hate hispanics, I don't hate mexicans, I'm just plain in simple not racist, but when people break the law and expect the government of another country to say 'it's all right..' just because they're in droves, that just down right pisses me off, I don't care WHO you are... I treat everybody the same in the sense of ethnic group. I don't hate uneducated people but they DO give the impression they don't care. To be perfectly honest, not only do uneducated offer very little, our country already has enough of them, we don't need anymore than we got, we've got our own problems, go fix your own, that isn't our job.
education usually requires money.
That comes off as discrimination to me.
'bring me your tired your poor'
that is what is wrong with america and why so many people come here illegally. They simply don't stand a chance of getting in.
I still think educated people should have a higher priority than people who come here illegally.. People who are educated at least have some sort of drive to better themselves, who is to say that the illegals that come here won't repeat the cycle they have in their country? Education aside, the point is, you either come here legally or you don't come here at all.
What cycle would that be? Being born into poverty?
I agree. Terrorism is bullsh!t and immigration is a real issue that MUST be addressed.
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
btw, great discussion people. I 'm surprised at home civilized this is proceeding
I agree... this is a great discussion. i doubt that anyone will have their minds changes on such a higly charged topic, but I am confident in my hope that we will all be civil and be friends again at the end of it.
as for me... as much as i have enjoyed this... it is now 6:00AM here in NJ and the b/f is home from work, fed and it is now time for bed for us.
thanks for a good heated debate.
:thumbsup:
Then it would be simple enough to say all men have an unalienable right to be free from tyrany.................
yes.
Like I said before, it is our declaration, so we are bound to it as well. The United States, as the declarer, declares that ALL men are created equal. In our eyes, as a nation, all men must be looked upon as equals as was the intent of the the decalration of that philosophy in the face of tyranny in the first place.
so, when we are the ones judging, the declartion should apply to those we judge as well as ourselves as fellow citizens, no?
At least that is what I think
"unalienable rights" do not include the 'right' to steal from other people. That is exactly what illegals are doing to this country... Stealing. They are benefiting from the tax payments of LEGAL CITIZENS without paying any taxes and sending most of their money back 'home'.
Like I said in my first post in this thread, I challenge anyone that disagrees with me to come live in Phoenix for one year and see if your opinion doesn't change.
and where did I say that was their "right"? What you (and I) describe is a condition.....have I said there should not be reform? No. In fact I've bitched about the impact of illegals as much as anyone else............
Cycle of being born into poverty, resisting education, getting a working class $5 an hour max job and having kids to repeat it. Being born in poverty in this country is not nearly as limiting as one would assume. (Assuming the schools are decent)Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: RCN
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: JasonSix78
Exactly, that would be an excellent idea. The only problem is if they would initiate such a program without addressing the illegal immigrate situation, more folks would continue coming in illegally than going through the program. Shoot, how many folks would take a chance of just being slapped on the wrist for not paying taxes?
-Jason
If they don't pay taxes deport them. simple as that.
To initiate it, grant a one year tax waiver for all of those are already here and make any new immigrants start paying immeidately.
Sure it will make life for them a complete hell, but this way it is fair. If they want america but don;t want to pledge their allegiance to old glory, jsut make 'em pay.
Simple as that huh? How much will it cost to make sure they pay their taxes and monitor employers. I would imagine it would be a net loss............
Eh, who cares if they pay taxes, sure they SHOULD but people need to look at the big picture, not that stupid dude in the corner who is 10 pixels/dots tall and is apparently mounting a donkey..
So they pay taxes like good americans, so what; they hopped the border, got jobs here, are uneducated, provide no benefit to the economy besides mask the rate of inflation, drain the system from needy citizens, and then all of a sudden we give them amnesty. This effectively lets all of them cut in line in becoming citizens while we have all these people from asia and other parts of the world who are educated, and could benefit us but are stuck in line, like law abiding people, wating to get in the country and eventually becoming citizens.
I think while this may seem incredibly rude and unethical, line them up in becoming citizens at some government building, walk them into a room which is really the back of a jail car, lock the car, drive the damned car across the border and drop them off, continuing this until most if not all of them are gone, then sealing up the borders.. Look at the facts, they're not citizens therefore THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS, if they want to b1tch and moan about their rights being violated, too bad, they're not citizens, maybe they should go across the border, get in line, become a citizen and then b1tch, by then they won't care anymore..
Who said anything about just giving them amnesty?
Make them apply for citizenship like everyone else, but in the man time, they are bettering themselves and becoming better potential candidates.
That said, this is not a country of the elite. You make it sound like the wealthy deserve to come here more than the poor.
No, but the educated should have a much higher priority when coming here than the working class. We've already got our fair share of working class, we don't need any more at the moment.. I don't hate hispanics, I don't hate mexicans, I'm just plain in simple not racist, but when people break the law and expect the government of another country to say 'it's all right..' just because they're in droves, that just down right pisses me off, I don't care WHO you are... I treat everybody the same in the sense of ethnic group. I don't hate uneducated people but they DO give the impression they don't care. To be perfectly honest, not only do uneducated offer very little, our country already has enough of them, we don't need anymore than we got, we've got our own problems, go fix your own, that isn't our job.
education usually requires money.
That comes off as discrimination to me.
'bring me your tired your poor'
that is what is wrong with america and why so many people come here illegally. They simply don't stand a chance of getting in.
I still think educated people should have a higher priority than people who come here illegally.. People who are educated at least have some sort of drive to better themselves, who is to say that the illegals that come here won't repeat the cycle they have in their country? Education aside, the point is, you either come here legally or you don't come here at all.
What cycle would that be? Being born into poverty?
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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
btw, great discussion people. I 'm surprised at home civilized this is proceeding
Tst, tst, tst, I am going to report your post to the grammar nazi police. You are in trouble now...LOL j/k.
This immigrant issue will be around for a while for sure.
One request, can we cut down on the nested quotes? It is really hard to read.
Originally posted by: goku
Cycle of being born into poverty, resisting education, getting a working class $5 an hour max job and having kids to repeat it. Being born in poverty in this country is not nearly as limiting as one would assume. (Assuming the schools are decent)Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: RCN
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: JasonSix78
Exactly, that would be an excellent idea. The only problem is if they would initiate such a program without addressing the illegal immigrate situation, more folks would continue coming in illegally than going through the program. Shoot, how many folks would take a chance of just being slapped on the wrist for not paying taxes?
-Jason
If they don't pay taxes deport them. simple as that.
To initiate it, grant a one year tax waiver for all of those are already here and make any new immigrants start paying immeidately.
Sure it will make life for them a complete hell, but this way it is fair. If they want america but don;t want to pledge their allegiance to old glory, jsut make 'em pay.
Simple as that huh? How much will it cost to make sure they pay their taxes and monitor employers. I would imagine it would be a net loss............
Eh, who cares if they pay taxes, sure they SHOULD but people need to look at the big picture, not that stupid dude in the corner who is 10 pixels/dots tall and is apparently mounting a donkey..
So they pay taxes like good americans, so what; they hopped the border, got jobs here, are uneducated, provide no benefit to the economy besides mask the rate of inflation, drain the system from needy citizens, and then all of a sudden we give them amnesty. This effectively lets all of them cut in line in becoming citizens while we have all these people from asia and other parts of the world who are educated, and could benefit us but are stuck in line, like law abiding people, wating to get in the country and eventually becoming citizens.
I think while this may seem incredibly rude and unethical, line them up in becoming citizens at some government building, walk them into a room which is really the back of a jail car, lock the car, drive the damned car across the border and drop them off, continuing this until most if not all of them are gone, then sealing up the borders.. Look at the facts, they're not citizens therefore THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS, if they want to b1tch and moan about their rights being violated, too bad, they're not citizens, maybe they should go across the border, get in line, become a citizen and then b1tch, by then they won't care anymore..
Who said anything about just giving them amnesty?
Make them apply for citizenship like everyone else, but in the man time, they are bettering themselves and becoming better potential candidates.
That said, this is not a country of the elite. You make it sound like the wealthy deserve to come here more than the poor.
No, but the educated should have a much higher priority when coming here than the working class. We've already got our fair share of working class, we don't need any more at the moment.. I don't hate hispanics, I don't hate mexicans, I'm just plain in simple not racist, but when people break the law and expect the government of another country to say 'it's all right..' just because they're in droves, that just down right pisses me off, I don't care WHO you are... I treat everybody the same in the sense of ethnic group. I don't hate uneducated people but they DO give the impression they don't care. To be perfectly honest, not only do uneducated offer very little, our country already has enough of them, we don't need anymore than we got, we've got our own problems, go fix your own, that isn't our job.
education usually requires money.
That comes off as discrimination to me.
'bring me your tired your poor'
that is what is wrong with america and why so many people come here illegally. They simply don't stand a chance of getting in.
I still think educated people should have a higher priority than people who come here illegally.. People who are educated at least have some sort of drive to better themselves, who is to say that the illegals that come here won't repeat the cycle they have in their country? Education aside, the point is, you either come here legally or you don't come here at all.
What cycle would that be? Being born into poverty?
resisting education? You're kidding, right?
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Cycle of being born into poverty, resisting education, getting a working class $5 an hour max job and having kids to repeat it. Being born in poverty in this country is not nearly as limiting as one would assume. (Assuming the schools are decent)Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: RCN
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: JasonSix78
Exactly, that would be an excellent idea. The only problem is if they would initiate such a program without addressing the illegal immigrate situation, more folks would continue coming in illegally than going through the program. Shoot, how many folks would take a chance of just being slapped on the wrist for not paying taxes?
-Jason
If they don't pay taxes deport them. simple as that.
To initiate it, grant a one year tax waiver for all of those are already here and make any new immigrants start paying immeidately.
Sure it will make life for them a complete hell, but this way it is fair. If they want america but don;t want to pledge their allegiance to old glory, jsut make 'em pay.
Simple as that huh? How much will it cost to make sure they pay their taxes and monitor employers. I would imagine it would be a net loss............
Eh, who cares if they pay taxes, sure they SHOULD but people need to look at the big picture, not that stupid dude in the corner who is 10 pixels/dots tall and is apparently mounting a donkey..
So they pay taxes like good americans, so what; they hopped the border, got jobs here, are uneducated, provide no benefit to the economy besides mask the rate of inflation, drain the system from needy citizens, and then all of a sudden we give them amnesty. This effectively lets all of them cut in line in becoming citizens while we have all these people from asia and other parts of the world who are educated, and could benefit us but are stuck in line, like law abiding people, wating to get in the country and eventually becoming citizens.
I think while this may seem incredibly rude and unethical, line them up in becoming citizens at some government building, walk them into a room which is really the back of a jail car, lock the car, drive the damned car across the border and drop them off, continuing this until most if not all of them are gone, then sealing up the borders.. Look at the facts, they're not citizens therefore THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS, if they want to b1tch and moan about their rights being violated, too bad, they're not citizens, maybe they should go across the border, get in line, become a citizen and then b1tch, by then they won't care anymore..
Who said anything about just giving them amnesty?
Make them apply for citizenship like everyone else, but in the man time, they are bettering themselves and becoming better potential candidates.
That said, this is not a country of the elite. You make it sound like the wealthy deserve to come here more than the poor.
No, but the educated should have a much higher priority when coming here than the working class. We've already got our fair share of working class, we don't need any more at the moment.. I don't hate hispanics, I don't hate mexicans, I'm just plain in simple not racist, but when people break the law and expect the government of another country to say 'it's all right..' just because they're in droves, that just down right pisses me off, I don't care WHO you are... I treat everybody the same in the sense of ethnic group. I don't hate uneducated people but they DO give the impression they don't care. To be perfectly honest, not only do uneducated offer very little, our country already has enough of them, we don't need anymore than we got, we've got our own problems, go fix your own, that isn't our job.
education usually requires money.
That comes off as discrimination to me.
'bring me your tired your poor'
that is what is wrong with america and why so many people come here illegally. They simply don't stand a chance of getting in.
I still think educated people should have a higher priority than people who come here illegally.. People who are educated at least have some sort of drive to better themselves, who is to say that the illegals that come here won't repeat the cycle they have in their country? Education aside, the point is, you either come here legally or you don't come here at all.
What cycle would that be? Being born into poverty?
resisting education? You're kidding, right?
no, seems like that is the trend in southern california, you know, with all the kids failing the highschool exit exam and the high rate of highschool drop outs, sounds like resisting to me..
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Cycle of being born into poverty, resisting education, getting a working class $5 an hour max job and having kids to repeat it. Being born in poverty in this country is not nearly as limiting as one would assume. (Assuming the schools are decent)Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: RCN
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: JasonSix78
Exactly, that would be an excellent idea. The only problem is if they would initiate such a program without addressing the illegal immigrate situation, more folks would continue coming in illegally than going through the program. Shoot, how many folks would take a chance of just being slapped on the wrist for not paying taxes?
-Jason
If they don't pay taxes deport them. simple as that.
To initiate it, grant a one year tax waiver for all of those are already here and make any new immigrants start paying immeidately.
Sure it will make life for them a complete hell, but this way it is fair. If they want america but don;t want to pledge their allegiance to old glory, jsut make 'em pay.
Simple as that huh? How much will it cost to make sure they pay their taxes and monitor employers. I would imagine it would be a net loss............
Eh, who cares if they pay taxes, sure they SHOULD but people need to look at the big picture, not that stupid dude in the corner who is 10 pixels/dots tall and is apparently mounting a donkey..
So they pay taxes like good americans, so what; they hopped the border, got jobs here, are uneducated, provide no benefit to the economy besides mask the rate of inflation, drain the system from needy citizens, and then all of a sudden we give them amnesty. This effectively lets all of them cut in line in becoming citizens while we have all these people from asia and other parts of the world who are educated, and could benefit us but are stuck in line, like law abiding people, wating to get in the country and eventually becoming citizens.
I think while this may seem incredibly rude and unethical, line them up in becoming citizens at some government building, walk them into a room which is really the back of a jail car, lock the car, drive the damned car across the border and drop them off, continuing this until most if not all of them are gone, then sealing up the borders.. Look at the facts, they're not citizens therefore THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS, if they want to b1tch and moan about their rights being violated, too bad, they're not citizens, maybe they should go across the border, get in line, become a citizen and then b1tch, by then they won't care anymore..
Who said anything about just giving them amnesty?
Make them apply for citizenship like everyone else, but in the man time, they are bettering themselves and becoming better potential candidates.
That said, this is not a country of the elite. You make it sound like the wealthy deserve to come here more than the poor.
No, but the educated should have a much higher priority when coming here than the working class. We've already got our fair share of working class, we don't need any more at the moment.. I don't hate hispanics, I don't hate mexicans, I'm just plain in simple not racist, but when people break the law and expect the government of another country to say 'it's all right..' just because they're in droves, that just down right pisses me off, I don't care WHO you are... I treat everybody the same in the sense of ethnic group. I don't hate uneducated people but they DO give the impression they don't care. To be perfectly honest, not only do uneducated offer very little, our country already has enough of them, we don't need anymore than we got, we've got our own problems, go fix your own, that isn't our job.
education usually requires money.
That comes off as discrimination to me.
'bring me your tired your poor'
that is what is wrong with america and why so many people come here illegally. They simply don't stand a chance of getting in.
I still think educated people should have a higher priority than people who come here illegally.. People who are educated at least have some sort of drive to better themselves, who is to say that the illegals that come here won't repeat the cycle they have in their country? Education aside, the point is, you either come here legally or you don't come here at all.
What cycle would that be? Being born into poverty?
resisting education? You're kidding, right?
no, seems like that is the trend in southern california, you know, with all the kids failing the highschool exit exam and the high rate of highschool drop outs, sounds like resisting to me..
That is definitely true, but I will admit that I do not understand califonia sometimes. IT is just so different.
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