Think individual mandate is bad? VA GOP mandates vaginal probes...

[theeedude]

Or Martians, because Mars Needs Women. The only candidate who has a chance of winning is Romney and he's a Mass. conservative, meaning fairly moderate in practice. Romneycare was hardly a RNC talking point.

Romney said he's severely conservative. He may have been a moderate in Massachusetts, but now that he got a severe case of conservatism, who knows what he's going to do. I doubt he'd go against his base and nominate anyone who supports Roe v. Wade to USSC.

 

[theeedude]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvaginal_ultrasound



I'd say you can make a point on unnecessary, but not invasive.

It's inserting an object into a woman. If that's not invasive, then neither is rape.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Romney said he's severely conservative. He may have been a moderate in Massachusetts, but now that he got a severe case of conservatism, who knows what he's going to do. I doubt he'd go against his base and nominate anyone who supports Roe v. Wade to USSC.

Bush had far more support and there are times when the Reps had both houses and yet no serious attempt was made at overturning abortion because there isn't the public sentiment to do so. Yours is not a serious objection. Romney certainly went against the conservatives in Mass because he was eventually in the position where he could do what he wanted. He'll go after abortion like Obama did warrantless wiretaps. They ALL will say what it takes then do as they please. Don't watch their mouths, watch their hands.

 

[Atreus21]

Bush had far more support and there are times when the Reps had both houses and yet no serious attempt was made at overturning abortion because there isn't the public sentiment to do so. Yours is not a serious objection. Romney certainly went against the conservatives in Mass because he was eventually in the position where he could do what he wanted. He'll go after abortion like Obama did warrantless wiretaps. They ALL will say what it takes then do as they please. Don't watch their mouths, watch their hands.

For that matter, he'll go after abortion like Obama went for the Freedom of Choice act.

 

[theeedude]

Bush had far more support and there are times when the Reps had both houses and yet no serious attempt was made at overturning abortion because there isn't the public sentiment to do so. Yours is not a serious objection. Romney certainly went against the conservatives in Mass because he was eventually in the position where he could do what he wanted. He'll go after abortion like Obama did warrantless wiretaps. They ALL will say what it takes then do as they please. Don't watch their mouths, watch their hands.

Are you saying Romney won't appoint USSC judges who will overturn Roe?
He doesn't have to go after it directly himself, you know.

 

[Atreus21]

Are you saying Romney won't appoint USSC judges who will overturn Roe?
He doesn't have to go after it directly himself, you know.

Who knows? Reagan appointed Sandra Day O'Connor.

 

[theeedude]

Who knows? Reagan appointed Sandra Day O'Connor.

That was before we had all these pledges and lithmus tests that GOP base expects their candidate to meet. Today's GOP base will take a lot, but they draw the line on SCOTUS nominees.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/u...bortion.html?_r=1&ref=politics&pagewanted=all

Mr. Romney declined a request to be interviewed for this article. But in a speech on Friday at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, he made his current stance plain.

“Let me be clear,” he said. “Mine will be a pro-life presidency.”

 

[monovillage]

Maybe they just want to make sure that they don't have any unhealthy lunches or unpasteurized milk in there. It could be a health issue.

 

[momeNt]

Hey before they finish awarding contracts to vaginal probe making companies, I'd like to offer up my prober for consideration! I get to choose who I screen though.

 

[Craig234]

nm

 

[Munky]

Misleading thread title full of troll. You should have mentioned it only applies to women seeking abortions, unlike individual mandate which applies to everyone, and yes, individual mandate is worse.

 

[Griffinhart]

The law does mandate that any center providing an abortion also own ultrasound equipment, which will create a larger barrier to entry and drive up the cost.

Would you even go to, or have loved ones go to any reproductive health clinic/doctor that didn't have basic diagnostic equipment such as ultrasound equipment?

My Sister-in-law refused a transvaginal probe ultrasound when she was pregnant, from a doctor she had been seeing for years because she was not comfortable with the idea. I've heard her talking about it, and to her it would be extremely invasive.

Let's see how invasive you think anal probing is when it becomes mandated for no good reason.

I can't speak for your sister, but It's surprising given OB/GYN exams insert equipment all the time. It's a bit hard to believe that a woman would be uncomfortable with one but not the other. Speculums are pretty much required equipment.

And while people may find it personally invasive, it is considered by the medical community as a non-invasive procedure.

 

[Thump553]

Misleading thread title full of troll. You should have mentioned it only applies to women seeking abortions, unlike individual mandate which applies to everyone, and yes, individual mandate is worse.

What is the justification-legal, philisophical or moral-in requiring ANY subset of citizens to have to undergo and pay for medically unnececcary and invasive "tests" for any reason? It's a rather cruel and cynical manipulation of the health care system and of legislative power in direct violation of the rights of citizens.

 

[Munky]

What is the justification-legal, philisophical or moral-in requiring ANY subset of citizens to have to undergo and pay for medically unnececcary and invasive "tests" for any reason? It's a rather cruel and cynical manipulation of the health care system and of legislative power in direct violation of the rights of citizens.

So is individual mandate. Not saying that one is more justifiable than the other, but the thread title is clearly misleading and baiting.

 

[JSt0rm]

ahh good old republican regulation.

Dems = light bulbs

gop = dildos

 

[momeNt]

ahh good old republican regulation.

Dems = light bulbs

gop = dildos

This won't be a problem once we develop a robotic womb, we can just take the babies out and put em in the womb bank. No more abortion, just signing up to be not pregnant!

Dollar for dollar abortion funding to match artificial womb research!

 

[theeedude]

Misleading thread title full of troll. You should have mentioned it only applies to women seeking abortions, unlike individual mandate which applies to everyone, and yes, individual mandate is worse.

I don't think anyone aside from you thought that vaginal probes apply to everyone.

 

[halik]

You need to take one step back. We already decided its inhumane not to treat someone in the ER even if they can't show the ability to pay. If this were removed mandate wouldn't be necessary.

This is EXACTLY my point;
you can have it one way:
-free choice not to insure
-providers' free choice to refuse if you cannot prove ability to pay

or another:
- providers mandated to perform service
- you required to carry coverage

Arguing that you have free choice not to insure, but still receive service is asinine. I can't walk into a ferrari dealship, drive off in an f430 and deal with the whole money thing later; not sure how anyone expects hospitals to let you do just that.

 

[JSt0rm]

I don't think anyone aside from you thought that vaginal probes apply to everyone.

Thats the polluted right wing mind at work.

They think someday the government is going to force them to have anal sehx with a man and make them eat processed food made from another human. To that mind, vaginal probes in all women isnt so far fetched.

 

[Munky]

I don't think anyone aside from you thought that vaginal probes apply to everyone.

Or no one else bothered to call your BS on it. Why would you even mention individual mandate if not for baiting? What does one have to do with the other?

Thats the polluted right wing mind at work.

They think someday the government is going to force them to have anal sehx with a man and make them eat processed food made from another human. To that mind, vaginal probes in all women isnt so far fetched.

Lefty loon defense squad in action.. divert, divert!

 

[Kadarin]

I wish the GOP could make up it's mind. Legislating what people do in their bedrooms is somehow necessary to people like Rick Santorum, yet making birth control available to hospital or university employees is a prime example of the government intruding in your personal life. When people say the GOP is batshit crazy, this is one of the issues that leads people to believe that...

It's actually quite simple when you understand what they're really trying to do: Enforce their twisted version of sexual morality by punishing women for perceived "immoral" sexual behavior. Any government intrusion is perfectly ok so long as it is toward that end.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Are you saying Romney won't appoint USSC judges who will overturn Roe?
He doesn't have to go after it directly himself, you know.

That is precisely what I am saying. Romney may not be your ideological candidate nor mine but he isn't stupid. If he were to attempt to appoint anti abortion justices he knows that the moderates would side with the Left and he'd be cooked.

 

[UberNeuman]

Virginia Is For Lovers - of probing Vaginas....

 

[JSt0rm]

Or no one else bothered to call your BS on it. Why would you even mention individual mandate if not for baiting? What does one have to do with the other?



Lefty loon defense squad in action.. divert, divert!

Thats all you got? I put the mirror up for you to gaze upon your worthless soul and all you can do is type divert divert?

Divert from what exactly?

 

[Munky]

Thats all you got? I put the mirror up for you to gaze upon your worthless soul and all you can do is type divert divert?

Divert from what exactly?

You think that looney drivel was some profound enlightened revelation? Because to me, it sounded worthy of a tinfoil hat.