Think individual mandate is bad? VA GOP mandates vaginal probes...

[MovingTarget]

This is a monumentally stupid move. I'm damn disgusted with it.

This. Very this.

:thumbsdown:

This needs to get shot down asap.

 

[crashtestdummy]

This seems to be the new republican strategy: for programs/classes they don't like but can't eliminate (illegal immigrants, welfare recipients, abortions), the approach seems to be to make things so uncomfortable that the class/program disappears on its own. The problem with this approach is that you end up alienating large portions of the population in the process for small, localized gains. The Republicans are banking on the idea that these alienated voters would never have voted for them anyway, but I'm interested to see if a real backlash develops.

 

[dank69]

This is stupid. Why don't they use an External Ultrasound Method.

That wouldn't sufficiently punish the sinners.

 

[HomerJS]

Big gubmit conservatism at work. You guys are full of crap.

Virginia state Senator Janet Howell tried to put the screws to these conservative nut jobs by introducing an amendment men must undergo an anal probe before being treated for erectile dysfunction.

http://wonkette.com/461943/va-lawmaker-adds-male-anal-exam-fairness-rule-to-new-abortion-law

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Big gubmit conservatism at work. You guys are full of crap.

Virginia state Senator Janet Howell tried to put the screws to these conservative nut jobs by introducing an amendment men must undergo an anal probe before being treated for erectile dysfunction.

http://wonkette.com/461943/va-lawmaker-adds-male-anal-exam-fairness-rule-to-new-abortion-law

Just how much support are you seeing for this here? Like the tax for nothing mandate this is also crap.

 

[Craig234]

That wouldn't sufficiently punish the sinners.

Let's be clear.

A Democrat introduced an amendment saying that the doctor could suggest a less intrusive measure.

Republicans opposed it; it lost 34-64.

 

[Griffinhart]

This is stupid. Why don't they use an External Ultrasound Method.

The law doesn't actually indicate "vaginal probes." The law is:

Except in the case of a medical emergency, before the performance of an abortion a qualified medical professional trained in sonography and working under the direct supervision of a physician licensed in the Commonwealth shall offer to perform fetal ultrasound imaging and auscultation of fetal heart tone services on the patient undergoing the abortion for the purpose of determining gestational age.

The whole vaginal probe issue is just to stir up outrage since it makes better copy. "transvaginal ultrasounds" are one of the methods used, but it is not a requirement.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The law doesn't actually indicate "vaginal probes." The law is:

Except in the case of a medical emergency, before the performance of an abortion a qualified medical professional trained in sonography and working under the direct supervision of a physician licensed in the Commonwealth shall offer to perform fetal ultrasound imaging and auscultation of fetal heart tone services on the patient undergoing the abortion for the purpose of determining gestational age.

The whole vaginal probe issue is just to stir up outrage since it makes better copy. "transvaginal ultrasounds" are one of the methods used, but it is not a requirement.

So another BS claim. He'll be back to call a fish a bear soon.

 

[waggy]

another useless step. all this is is a way to try to stop the abortion.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

another useless step. all this is is a way to try to stop the abortion.

You did read that the TV probe premise is crap right?

 

[dank69]

The law doesn't actually indicate "vaginal probes." The law is:

Except in the case of a medical emergency, before the performance of an abortion a qualified medical professional trained in sonography and working under the direct supervision of a physician licensed in the Commonwealth shall offer to perform fetal ultrasound imaging and auscultation of fetal heart tone services on the patient undergoing the abortion for the purpose of determining gestational age.

The whole vaginal probe issue is just to stir up outrage since it makes better copy. "transvaginal ultrasounds" are one of the methods used, but it is not a requirement.

So then the article is 100% full of shit when it says they are 'required'?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So then the article is 100% full of shit when it says they are 'required'?

Yep. He posted the law. We got fooled again.

 

[HomerJS]

Yep. He posted the law. We got fooled again.

Here is a quote from the actual bill in Va. This looks like a requirement to me not an option

B. Except in the case of a medical emergency, at least 2 hours before the performance of an abortion a qualified medical professional trained in sonography and working under the direct supervision of a physician licensed in the Commonwealth shall perform fetal ultrasound imaging and auscultation of fetal heart tone services on the patient undergoing the abortion for the purpose of determining gestational age. The ultrasound image shall be made pursuant to standard medical practice in the community, contain the dimensions of the fetus, and accurately portray the presence of external members and internal organs of the fetus, if present or viewable. Determination of gestational age shall be based upon measurement of the fetus in a manner consistent with standard medical practice in the community in determining gestational age.

The option I saw is for the woman to view the results of the ultrasound.
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?121+ful+HB462

 

[Griffinhart]

So then the article is 100% full of shit when it says they are 'required'?

Yep, While Ultrasound imaging is required, there is no requirement of it being a "transvaginal ultrasound."

 

[Jaskalas]

Sounds retarded and I oppose the measure.

 

[OutHouse]

just read the bill and this whole thread and news story is fucked.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Here is a quote from the actual bill in Va. This looks like a requirement to me not an option



The option I saw is for the woman to view the results of the ultrasound.
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?121+ful+HB462

Where does it show that sticking a probe in the woman is mandated? You know this can all be done externally, right? If I missed the part where insertion must occur then I'd appreciate knowing it.

 

[Thump553]

Legally mandated unnecessary and invasive medical procedures-is this the GOP alternative to Obamacare? God save us all from these clowns who don't even recognize their own hypocrisy.

 

[Texashiker]

Where does it show that sticking a probe in the woman is mandated? You know this can all be done externally, right? If I missed the part where insertion must occur then I'd appreciate knowing it.

Maybe its tradition, nobody understands why its done.

 

[HomerJS]

Where does it show that sticking a probe in the woman is mandated? You know this can all be done externally, right? If I missed the part where insertion must occur then I'd appreciate knowing it.

So I've alreay knocked down your first theory the requirement is false. Now you want me to do the second part? Read it again. It says any locally acceptable medical method may be used. Pardon the pun but that language is so wide open you can drive a probe through it.

 

[hal2kilo]

Ah yes, the party of small government.

 

[Griffinhart]

Here is a quote from the actual bill in Va. This looks like a requirement to me not an option



The option I saw is for the woman to view the results of the ultrasound.
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?121+ful+HB462

That's the link I read, I just grabbed the wrong portion. To be clear. The law does require an ultrasound, and if anyone thought I was saying otherwise, I appologize as that was not my intention. It does not require a specific type of ultrasound, however, nor does it seem to force the patient to view the ultrasound.

I'm personally indifferent on the law. I realize that it's goal is to try to convince potential patients to change their minds, but on the other hand, I've always though having more information was a good thing.

 

[Griffinhart]

Legally mandated unnecessary and invasive medical procedures-is this the GOP alternative to Obamacare? God save us all from these clowns who don't even recognize their own hypocrisy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvaginal_ultrasound

The procedure is regarded as not painful and non invasive

I'd say you can make a point on unnecessary, but not invasive.

 

[HomerJS]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvaginal_ultrasound



I'd say you can make a point on unnecessary, but not invasive.

Considered non-invasive by who?

I would suggest if a poll was taken by women and asked if an object were stuck up their vagina without their consent is invasive, over 90% would say yes.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So I've alreay knocked down your first theory the requirement is false. Now you want me to do the second part? Read it again. It says any locally acceptable medical method may be used. Pardon the pun but that language is so wide open you can drive a probe through it.

I want you to show where the bill says that transvaginal ultrasounds are compelled by law which is what the OP claims. Do you understand the definition of "mandate'? I can post it if not.