Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Still think he's a troll? I stand by my original diagnosis of some sort of insane paranoid disorder.
Similarly, you need to argue his points not his mental illness no matter how challenging.
Originally posted by: Pabster
I'm all for removing religion from politics completely.
I, for one, am sick of "pastors" and "reverends" and "churches" which are anything but, let alone their undue influence in our political system.
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Romney Newsweek cover:
http://medialampoon.com/blog/w...10/Newsweek-Romney.gif
Originally posted by: RKDaley
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Romney Newsweek cover:
http://medialampoon.com/blog/w...10/Newsweek-Romney.gif
You realize this cover has been spoofed, right?
Originally posted by: Vic
That's God showing everyone else what a moron you are.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
It's because most are not under the impression that they are allowed to FORCE that religion onto others and are rational enough to know that the country was founded on the principal that the practice of trying to do just that is illegal.
Nobody is "forcing their religion" on anyone. Different people get their belief structures from different places. Point being, we are all made up with a set of morals we get from somewhere, and just because someone chooses the Bible as the source for theirs, does not give them any less right to vote how they believe.
The Constitution and the 1st Amendment says otherwise. You can vote all you want, but the rule of law takes precedent.
Originally posted by: ericlp
Religion should never ever influence a persons right to vote how he/she chooses.
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
for the record, you claimed he misrepresents Christianity but you never backed that claim up.
Obama really creates a sense of panic and fear in his detractors. He speaks so much truth that it is shaking their faith and their comfort zones.
I love it.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Yes please do. I'm not a Christian so please enlighten me here on how he misrepresented Christianity.Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
Please explain how he purposefully misrepresents Christianity.
Did you listen to the first part of the clip? Sheesh.
I just listened to the first part of the clip...didn't see any misrepresentation of Christianity. Could you transcribe the section you're referring to?
I am a Christian and have to agree that he did not misrepresent Christianity. He's paraphrasing the Bible. Those books do have those passages in them. Obviously no one follows these passages, but he makes a strong point; how do we choose which passages to follow? As people, we have the capacity for intelligent thought every now and then. We can obviously recognize that books like Leviticus are full of nonsense, and that shit comes from the Old Testament anyway. Regardless, if we believe that it was a book written by God, then it is still part of the Bible.
:roll: you say he didn't misrepresent and then stated exactly why he misrepresented them. The doctrine involved with the points he pulled out do are not New Testament doctrine. His comments seem to suggest that they are part of it.
Meh, it's not worth getting into this discussion on the intarweb as there is way too much to go into. But I stand by my statement.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
for the record, you claimed he misrepresents Christianity but you never backed that claim up.
Obama really creates a sense of panic and fear in his detractors. He speaks so much truth that it is shaking their faith and their comfort zones.
I love it.
For the record, you must have missed my post where I addressed it. Do you wish for a theological discussion? I don't, but using those passages show he either doesn't understand Christianity or he purposely misrepresented it. From what I've seen from him so far I'm betting on misrepresenting.
As to the second part. There is no panic but yes I fear what he would do to America. His brand of "truth" is dangerous but does not come close to shaking my faith.
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Still think he's a troll? I stand by my original diagnosis of some sort of insane paranoid disorder.
Similarly, you need to argue his points not his mental illness no matter how challenging.
It's difficult to argue political philosophies with someone so obviously conflicted. He claims to lament the plight of the "little guy," but hates women and minorities. He praises political freedom, but only when he agrees with the politics. He praises religious freedom, but only when he agrees with the religion. He praises the Founding Fathers, but only when he can use specific quotes. He praises Israel and Judeo-Christianity, but hates "liberal Jews." He claims to hate Hitler and fascism, but repeatedly praises how Mussolini treated horribly a particular Marxist whose ONLY crimes were being a Marxist and speaking out against Mussolini's government. And his preoccupation with homosexuals makes me think he misses all the times his daddy would take him out back to the woodshed.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
for the record, you claimed he misrepresents Christianity but you never backed that claim up.
Obama really creates a sense of panic and fear in his detractors. He speaks so much truth that it is shaking their faith and their comfort zones.
I love it.
For the record, you must have missed my post where I addressed it. Do you wish for a theological discussion? I don't, but using those passages show he either doesn't understand Christianity or he purposely misrepresented it. From what I've seen from him so far I'm betting on misrepresenting.
As to the second part. There is no panic but yes I fear what he would do to America. His brand of "truth" is dangerous but does not come close to shaking my faith.
Originally posted by: Butterbean
The enemy of my enemy is my friend is the rule for them. Its bizarre that Islamofacists want to throw homosexuals off buildings (as per the Koran) and kill jews but the liberal jews and homosexuals will work with them in hatred for judeo-christian culture. Thats because they have the same seething lower nature. Not that I like the phony prechers on TV
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
for the record, you claimed he misrepresents Christianity but you never backed that claim up.
Obama really creates a sense of panic and fear in his detractors. He speaks so much truth that it is shaking their faith and their comfort zones.
I love it.
For the record, you must have missed my post where I addressed it. Do you wish for a theological discussion? I don't, but using those passages show he either doesn't understand Christianity or he purposely misrepresented it. From what I've seen from him so far I'm betting on misrepresenting.
As to the second part. There is no panic but yes I fear what he would do to America. His brand of "truth" is dangerous but does not come close to shaking my faith.
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Butterbean's POV pretty much speaks for and repudiates itself. Anybody who'll believe it was probably dropped on their head as an infant, or suffers from some other sort of organic brain syndrome.
GSG is by far the better propagandist.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
for the record, you claimed he misrepresents Christianity but you never backed that claim up.
Obama really creates a sense of panic and fear in his detractors. He speaks so much truth that it is shaking their faith and their comfort zones.
I love it.
For the record, you must have missed my post where I addressed it. Do you wish for a theological discussion? I don't, but using those passages show he either doesn't understand Christianity or he purposely misrepresented it. From what I've seen from him so far I'm betting on misrepresenting.
As to the second part. There is no panic but yes I fear what he would do to America. His brand of "truth" is dangerous but does not come close to shaking my faith.
You really addressed nothing, CSG, particularly not anything having to do with the modern Fundie Fringe, Dominionists, who lean very heavily on the Old Testament. Their POV has leached its way into many mainstream Christian Denominations, even though those who are affected seldom realize it. The notion that wealth indicates God's favor is very much Old Testament, as well, directly contradicted by Jesus' teachings. Nor have you addressed Obama's remarks wrt the Sermon on the Mount, possibly the most defining aspect of the Christ story.
The Bible, for example, makes no reference to abortion, at all, even though the practice was known and used even in biblical times. Yet it's been the cause celebre of the Christian Right for 30 years... Nor does the furor around it have anything whatsoever to do with the idea of personal salvation, supposedly the primary goal of Christianity in general.
It's not that Obama misrepresents Christianity, at all, but rather that he reveals its foibles and contradictions in a way that reminds us that a fundamental separation of Church and State have existed in this country from the very beginning. Many of the Founders weren't Christian, at all, but rather Deists, acknowledging the existence and the incomprensibility of God all at the same time... basically repudiating the whole structure and dogma of conventional religious practice and belief.
And you claim Obama's words are "dangerous", but only in a very generic way, leaving your audience to fill in the gaps- one of the most widely used propaganda techniques of all time. Dangerous to whom, and in what way? Specifically, what would be the negative consequences if more people thought the way he does, the way that many of the Founders thought?
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Butterbean's POV pretty much speaks for and repudiates itself. Anybody who'll believe it was probably dropped on their head as an infant, or suffers from some other sort of organic brain syndrome.
GSG is by far the better propagandist.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
for the record, you claimed he misrepresents Christianity but you never backed that claim up.
Obama really creates a sense of panic and fear in his detractors. He speaks so much truth that it is shaking their faith and their comfort zones.
I love it.
For the record, you must have missed my post where I addressed it. Do you wish for a theological discussion? I don't, but using those passages show he either doesn't understand Christianity or he purposely misrepresented it. From what I've seen from him so far I'm betting on misrepresenting.
As to the second part. There is no panic but yes I fear what he would do to America. His brand of "truth" is dangerous but does not come close to shaking my faith.
You really addressed nothing, CSG, particularly not anything having to do with the modern Fundie Fringe, Dominionists, who lean very heavily on the Old Testament. Their POV has leached its way into many mainstream Christian Denominations, even though those who are affected seldom realize it. The notion that wealth indicates God's favor is very much Old Testament, as well, directly contradicted by Jesus' teachings. Nor have you addressed Obama's remarks wrt the Sermon on the Mount, possibly the most defining aspect of the Christ story.
The Bible, for example, makes no reference to abortion, at all, even though the practice was known and used even in biblical times. Yet it's been the cause celebre of the Christian Right for 30 years... Nor does the furor around it have anything whatsoever to do with the idea of personal salvation, supposedly the primary goal of Christianity in general.
It's not that Obama misrepresents Christianity, at all, but rather that he reveals its foibles and contradictions in a way that reminds us that a fundamental separation of Church and State have existed in this country from the very beginning. Many of the Founders weren't Christian, at all, but rather Deists, acknowledging the existence and the incomprensibility of God all at the same time... basically repudiating the whole structure and dogma of conventional religious practice and belief.
And you claim Obama's words are "dangerous", but only in a very generic way, leaving your audience to fill in the gaps- one of the most widely used propaganda techniques of all time. Dangerous to whom, and in what way? Specifically, what would be the negative consequences if more people thought the way he does, the way that many of the Founders thought?
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Oh puhleeze...:roll: the "fundie fringe" do not lean heavily on the old testament if they actually know Christianity. If they do lean on it, they are just as misguided as Obama on the subject. But if it helps you to rage on against Christians - so be it. I'm sure nothing anyone can say would change your mind.
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Nice dodge, CSG- You fail, of course, to actually address any of the questions raised, but doing that wouldn't suit your purposes, would it?
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I addressed the tangent but it takes the focus away from Obama which is what my comments were about.
And no eskimospy, you have little understanding of Christianity if you think today's political views by the Christians are from the Old Testament. His misunderstanding or misrepresentation may be due to what he thinks of Christians though... so that I'll mildly agree with you on. That is why I made my initial comments - his views are warped.
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
It's because most are not under the impression that they are allowed to FORCE that religion onto others and are rational enough to know that the country was founded on the principal that the practice of trying to do just that is illegal.
Nobody is "forcing their religion" on anyone. Different people get their belief structures from different places. Point being, we are all made up with a set of morals we get from somewhere, and just because someone chooses the Bible as the source for theirs, does not give them any less right to vote how they believe.
The Constitution and the 1st Amendment says otherwise. You can vote all you want, but the rule of law takes precedent.
Prove it.