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fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The only thing lacking in that post, Butterbean, is the creaky hinge sound usually heard just prior to the beginning of another "Tale From The Crypt"...
Yeah you would know about crypts. Obama too since he wants to resurrect dead socialism even as Europe is starting to reject it.

Speaking of the Dali Bama saying he didnt grow up Muslim his "half-brother" (Jesus what a family - did you know Obama's father wasn't even divorced from his wife in Africa when he married the white chick ? )

"Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim"
http://web.israelinsider.com/A...les/Politics/12918.htm

So we have a guy who was raised Muslim denying he was raised Muslim (he treats it like an insult) who joins a church without a Jew Jesus but a black one for chosen black people - and then pretending to be a Christian he announces America is no longer Christian. Smart people like me can't buy this.
I have to be honest... I wish I could meet you in real life. I just want to see what the person who writes this insane shit looks and acts like.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: loki8481
just finished watching it... I agreed with the last bit, but if your religion is a cornerstone of your life, how can you completely divorce it from your perspective and judgment, and how can you morally justify passing laws that go in opposition to the faith you've upheld for your entire life?
Because you can still be an intelligent, rational person while religion is a cornerstone of your life. It's a cornerstone of YOUR life, not necessarily anyone else's. You can be religion and intelligent, too!
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
Please explain how he purposefully misrepresents Christianity.
Did you listen to the first part of the clip? Sheesh.
I just listened to the first part of the clip...didn't see any misrepresentation of Christianity. Could you transcribe the section you're referring to?
Yes please do. I'm not a Christian so please enlighten me here on how he misrepresented Christianity.
I am a Christian and have to agree that he did not misrepresent Christianity. He's paraphrasing the Bible. Those books do have those passages in them. Obviously no one follows these passages, but he makes a strong point; how do we choose which passages to follow? As people, we have the capacity for intelligent thought every now and then. We can obviously recognize that books like Leviticus are full of nonsense, and that shit comes from the Old Testament anyway. Regardless, if we believe that it was a book written by God, then it is still part of the Bible.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
That's just another speech that illustrates what I already knew - namley that Obama is not a Christian or a Muslim but an Alinsky neo-Marxist who pretends to have religion (and keep in mind Trinitys black Jesus is for "the chosen" black people so claiming to be Christian is weird). Since close to 80% of Americans describe themselves as a Christian of some sort its thoughtful of his wierdness to decalre the US no longer a Christian nation. No doubt he'll like to declare it no longer a constitutional repulic nation as well. Bama is for the fringe groups at the expense of the larger whole - pefectly neo-Marxist in the Gramcian/Frankfurt tradition. Obama is a creep.G
No, America is not and never was a Christian nation. You're allowed to practice whatever faith you want. If it were a Christian nation, you would see no Buddhist temples or Jewish synagogues. We wouldn't have great stand-up comedians like Lewis Black hanging around making us laugh, and that would be bullshit.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Smart people like me can't buy this.
Also, smart people never say things like, "smart like like me," because it would make that smart person appear moronic. Smart people realize this and act accordingly.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: Butterbean


Speaking of the Dali Bama saying he didnt grow up Muslim his "half-brother" (Jesus what a family - did you know Obama's father wasn't even divorced from his wife in Africa when he married the white chick ? )

"Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim"
http://web.israelinsider.com/A...les/Politics/12918.htm

So we have a guy who was raised Muslim denying he was raised Muslim (he treats it like an insult)
Because obviously, no one would ever hold it against him ;)
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
Please explain how he purposefully misrepresents Christianity.
Did you listen to the first part of the clip? Sheesh.
I just listened to the first part of the clip...didn't see any misrepresentation of Christianity. Could you transcribe the section you're referring to?
Yes please do. I'm not a Christian so please enlighten me here on how he misrepresented Christianity.
I am a Christian and have to agree that he did not misrepresent Christianity. He's paraphrasing the Bible. Those books do have those passages in them. Obviously no one follows these passages, but he makes a strong point; how do we choose which passages to follow? As people, we have the capacity for intelligent thought every now and then. We can obviously recognize that books like Leviticus are full of nonsense, and that shit comes from the Old Testament anyway. Regardless, if we believe that it was a book written by God, then it is still part of the Bible.

:roll: you say he didn't misrepresent and then stated exactly why he misrepresented them. The doctrine involved with the points he pulled out do are not New Testament doctrine. His comments seem to suggest that they are part of it.
Meh, it's not worth getting into this discussion on the intarweb as there is way too much to go into. But I stand by my statement.
 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
I am a Christian and have to agree that he did not misrepresent Christianity. He's paraphrasing the Bible. Those books do have those passages in them. Obviously no one follows these passages, but he makes a strong point; how do we choose which passages to follow? As people, we have the capacity for intelligent thought every now and then. We can obviously recognize that books like Leviticus are full of nonsense, and that shit comes from the Old Testament anyway. Regardless, if we believe that it was a book written by God, then it is still part of the Bible.
He was quoting Leviticus - which is in the the Jewish bible. Jesus said he came to fulfill the old law and do away with it at the same time. External codes were then to be replaced by the laws of the heart and conscience with the aid of grace following his death which caused a condemnation on evil because it killed something that was innocent (prior to that all people were guilty under an original curse. Keep in mind a lot of those laws other aspects and reasons to exist (hygiene and health being some - hence the shellfish thing). Anyone quoting Leviticus as a way of explaining Christianity is pretty much caught in a meander.
 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Butterbean
That's just another speech that illustrates what I already knew - namley that Obama is not a Christian or a Muslim but an Alinsky neo-Marxist who pretends to have religion (and keep in mind Trinitys black Jesus is for "the chosen" black people so claiming to be Christian is weird). Since close to 80% of Americans describe themselves as a Christian of some sort its thoughtful of his wierdness to decalre the US no longer a Christian nation. No doubt he'll like to declare it no longer a constitutional repulic nation as well. Bama is for the fringe groups at the expense of the larger whole - pefectly neo-Marxist in the Gramcian/Frankfurt tradition. Obama is a creep.G
No, America is not and never was a Christian nation. You're allowed to practice whatever faith you want. If it were a Christian nation, you would see no Buddhist temples or Jewish synagogues. We wouldn't have great stand-up comedians like Lewis Black hanging around making us laugh, and that would be bullshit.

Nobody said a person couldn't practice any faith they want. America is not a nation of one religion (of one God yes) - and that includes Islam, Hinduism etc. - contrary to Obama's neo-Marxist fractionalism. he doesnt want a level playing field as much as he wants to turn it upside down with small groups on top. That's basic liberal dysfunction (ie criminals have more rights than victims, pornographers rights more important than the Boy Scouts etc)
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Butterbean
That's just another speech that illustrates what I already knew - namley that Obama is not a Christian or a Muslim but an Alinsky neo-Marxist who pretends to have religion (and keep in mind Trinitys black Jesus is for "the chosen" black people so claiming to be Christian is weird). Since close to 80% of Americans describe themselves as a Christian of some sort its thoughtful of his wierdness to decalre the US no longer a Christian nation. No doubt he'll like to declare it no longer a constitutional repulic nation as well. Bama is for the fringe groups at the expense of the larger whole - pefectly neo-Marxist in the Gramcian/Frankfurt tradition. Obama is a creep.G
No, America is not and never was a Christian nation. You're allowed to practice whatever faith you want. If it were a Christian nation, you would see no Buddhist temples or Jewish synagogues. We wouldn't have great stand-up comedians like Lewis Black hanging around making us laugh, and that would be bullshit.

Nobody said a person couldn't practice any faith you want. America is not a nation of one religion (of one God yes) - and that includes Islam, hinduism etc. - contrary to Obama's neo-Marxist fractionalism. he doesnt want a level playing field as much as he wants to turn it upside down with small groups on top. That's basic liberal dysfunction (ie criminals have more rights than victims, pornographers rights more important than the Boy Scouts etc)
Interesting. How would he achieve all this? Y'know, if he became President - what would be his first move?
 

RKDaley

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Originally posted by: Butterbean


Nobody said a person couldn't practice any faith you want. America is not a nation of one religion (of one God yes) - and that includes Islam, hinduism etc. - contrary to Obama's neo-Marxist fractionalism.
What does "fractionalism" mean?

 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Butterbean


Speaking of the Dali Bama saying he didnt grow up Muslim his "half-brother" (Jesus what a family - did you know Obama's father wasn't even divorced from his wife in Africa when he married the white chick ? )

"Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim"
http://web.israelinsider.com/A...les/Politics/12918.htm

So we have a guy who was raised Muslim denying he was raised Muslim (he treats it like an insult)
Because obviously, no one would ever hold it against him ;)

Hey if Hamas and terrorists enthusiasts are in joy over his Isalmic sympathies and his willingness to let banned terror connected "scholars" into the US then his background is in play. Time and Newsweek ran cover stories "reminding" people of Romneys Mormonism - and the media went on about it for weeks with not a word about Obama's gutter church. This is all a brain screw.


Romney Newsweek cover:
http://medialampoon.com/blog/w...10/Newsweek-Romney.gif
 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Smart people like me can't buy this.
Also, smart people never say things like, "smart like like me," because it would make that smart person appear moronic. Smart people realize this and act accordingly.
Looky it takes a smart person to recognise one - hence the root of your difficulty.
 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
Please explain how he purposefully misrepresents Christianity.
Did you listen to the first part of the clip? Sheesh.
I just listened to the first part of the clip...didn't see any misrepresentation of Christianity. Could you transcribe the section you're referring to?
Yes please do. I'm not a Christian so please enlighten me here on how he misrepresented Christianity.
I am a Christian and have to agree that he did not misrepresent Christianity. He's paraphrasing the Bible. Those books do have those passages in them. Obviously no one follows these passages, but he makes a strong point; how do we choose which passages to follow? As people, we have the capacity for intelligent thought every now and then. We can obviously recognize that books like Leviticus are full of nonsense, and that shit comes from the Old Testament anyway. Regardless, if we believe that it was a book written by God, then it is still part of the Bible.

:roll: you say he didn't misrepresent and then stated exactly why he misrepresented them. The doctrine involved with the points he pulled out do are not New Testament doctrine. His comments seem to suggest that they are part of it.
Meh, it's not worth getting into this discussion on the intarweb as there is way too much to go into. But I stand by my statement.

Yes but change is still good because its on the way to the future and not the past, and since the past is over there is no future in the past we need change to now to escape the past. Of course its "us" that must lead the change and we cant wait till the future to change or we will get stuck in the past and thats just so white!
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
It's because most are not under the impression that they are allowed to FORCE that religion onto others and are rational enough to know that the country was founded on the principal that the practice of trying to do just that is illegal.
Nobody is "forcing their religion" on anyone. Different people get their belief structures from different places. Point being, we are all made up with a set of morals we get from somewhere, and just because someone chooses the Bible as the source for theirs, does not give them any less right to vote how they believe.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
It's because most are not under the impression that they are allowed to FORCE that religion onto others and are rational enough to know that the country was founded on the principal that the practice of trying to do just that is illegal.
Nobody is "forcing their religion" on anyone. Different people get their belief structures from different places. Point being, we are all made up with a set of morals we get from somewhere, and just because someone chooses the Bible as the source for theirs, does not give them any less right to vote how they believe.
The Constitution and the 1st Amendment says otherwise. You can vote all you want, but the rule of law takes precedent.
 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Butterbean
That's just another speech that illustrates what I already knew - namley that Obama is not a Christian or a Muslim but an Alinsky neo-Marxist who pretends to have religion (and keep in mind Trinitys black Jesus is for "the chosen" black people so claiming to be Christian is weird). Since close to 80% of Americans describe themselves as a Christian of some sort its thoughtful of his wierdness to decalre the US no longer a Christian nation. No doubt he'll like to declare it no longer a constitutional repulic nation as well. Bama is for the fringe groups at the expense of the larger whole - pefectly neo-Marxist in the Gramcian/Frankfurt tradition. Obama is a creep.G
No, America is not and never was a Christian nation. You're allowed to practice whatever faith you want. If it were a Christian nation, you would see no Buddhist temples or Jewish synagogues. We wouldn't have great stand-up comedians like Lewis Black hanging around making us laugh, and that would be bullshit.

Nobody said a person couldn't practice any faith you want. America is not a nation of one religion (of one God yes) - and that includes Islam, hinduism etc. - contrary to Obama's neo-Marxist fractionalism. he doesnt want a level playing field as much as he wants to turn it upside down with small groups on top. That's basic liberal dysfunction (ie criminals have more rights than victims, pornographers rights more important than the Boy Scouts etc)
Interesting. How would he achieve all this? Y'know, if he became President - what would be his first move?

Well that's a long reply but Obama is very authoritarian and big gov oriented. He and his Legal advisor Larry Tribe believe in activist judges and Obam worked on a paper with Tribe were the Constitution is described as "Newtonian" or discrete in its elements. This was seen as a flaw and a more "relative" process was seen as better. This process held that judges should be a part of the process as oppossed to mere machines as for Jefferson). Judges should be allowed to "fill in the blanks" where the Constitution is vague. Hitler used his judges the same way. Obama also wants to expnad the judicial department into local affairs. Keep in mind one thing he wants to protect is "Gender expresion" -crazier than even sexual orientation. Its on his website but media never talks about it.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Butterbean
That's just another speech that illustrates what I already knew - namley that Obama is not a Christian or a Muslim but an Alinsky neo-Marxist who pretends to have religion (and keep in mind Trinitys black Jesus is for "the chosen" black people so claiming to be Christian is weird). Since close to 80% of Americans describe themselves as a Christian of some sort its thoughtful of his wierdness to decalre the US no longer a Christian nation. No doubt he'll like to declare it no longer a constitutional repulic nation as well. Bama is for the fringe groups at the expense of the larger whole - pefectly neo-Marxist in the Gramcian/Frankfurt tradition. Obama is a creep.G
No, America is not and never was a Christian nation. You're allowed to practice whatever faith you want. If it were a Christian nation, you would see no Buddhist temples or Jewish synagogues. We wouldn't have great stand-up comedians like Lewis Black hanging around making us laugh, and that would be bullshit.
Nobody said a person couldn't practice any faith they want. America is not a nation of one religion (of one God yes) - and that includes Islam, Hinduism etc. - contrary to Obama's neo-Marxist fractionalism. he doesnt want a level playing field as much as he wants to turn it upside down with small groups on top. That's basic liberal dysfunction (ie criminals have more rights than victims, pornographers rights more important than the Boy Scouts etc)
You see that big fat logical hole in your argument? That's God showing everyone else what a moron you are.

But in a way it is good to see how terrified the KKK is that some of their former victims might decide that turn-about is fair play.
 

RKDaley

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The only thing lacking in that post, Butterbean, is the creaky hinge sound usually heard just prior to the beginning of another "Tale From The Crypt"...
Yeah you would know about crypts. Obama too since he wants to resurrect dead socialism even as Europe is starting to reject it.

Speaking of the Dali Bama saying he didnt grow up Muslim his "half-brother" (Jesus what a family - did you know Obama's father wasn't even divorced from his wife in Africa when he married the white chick ? )

"Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim"
http://web.israelinsider.com/A...les/Politics/12918.htm
Despite the inference, I read the article/post/blog and it did not say Malik said he was raised Muslim. The article the isreaelinsider referenced was this jpost article that says:
Barack Obama's half brother Malik said Thursday that if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background.

In an interview with Army Radio he expressed a special salutation from the Obamas of Kenya.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S...2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Having a Muslim background does not mean he was raised a Muslim.

Their paternal grandfather, Onyango Hussein Obama, was one of the first Muslim converts in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Malik said. However, not all of his descendants are Muslim, Malik added. Barack is Christian.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6333496


 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
It's because most are not under the impression that they are allowed to FORCE that religion onto others and are rational enough to know that the country was founded on the principal that the practice of trying to do just that is illegal.
Nobody is "forcing their religion" on anyone. Different people get their belief structures from different places. Point being, we are all made up with a set of morals we get from somewhere, and just because someone chooses the Bible as the source for theirs, does not give them any less right to vote how they believe.


Not if the ACLU and Soros can do anytrhing about it. I agree with your point. I just say the huge judeo christian elements of the culture are under attack under the guider of fairness. All the corrupt legal groups like ACLU seek to make God bless you after a sneeze a crime while they help crazy imamas sue regular people if they report suspicious activity if its a muslim. This is because the ACLU director (Anthony Romero) and others his staff are homosexuals etc (dont forget they did once try to make owning child porn egal) and they hate judeo christian culture almost as much as the Islamo-facists. The enemy of my enemy is my friend is the rule for them. Its bizarre that Islamofacists want to throw homosexuals off buildings (as per the Koran) and kill jews but the liberal jews and homosexuals will work with them in hatred for judeo-christian culture. Thats because they have the same seething lower nature. Not that I like the phony prechers on TV
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
It's because most are not under the impression that they are allowed to FORCE that religion onto others and are rational enough to know that the country was founded on the principal that the practice of trying to do just that is illegal.
Nobody is "forcing their religion" on anyone. Different people get their belief structures from different places. Point being, we are all made up with a set of morals we get from somewhere, and just because someone chooses the Bible as the source for theirs, does not give them any less right to vote how they believe.
Not if the ACLU and Soros can do anytrhing about it. I agree with your point. I just say the huge judeo christian elements of the culture are under attack under the guider of fairness. All the corrupt legal groups like ACLU seek to make God bless you after a sneeze a crime while they help crazy imamas sue regular people if they report suspicious activity if its a muslim. This is because the ACLU director (Anthony Romero) and others his staff are homosexuals etc (dont forget they did once try to make owning child porn egal) and they hate judeo christian culture almost as much as the Islamo-facists. The enemy of my enemy is my friend is the rule for them. Its bizarre that Islamofacists want to throw homosexuals off buildings (as per the Koran) and kill jews but the liberal jews and homosexuals will work with them in hatred for judeo-christian culture. Thats because they have the same seething lower nature. Not that I like the phony prechers on TV
Kids, this is what happens to your brain when you do too much meth.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Butterbean

Not if the ACLU and Soros can do anytrhing about it. I agree with your point. I just say the huge judeo christian elements of the culture are under attack under the guider of fairness. All the corrupt legal groups like ACLU seek to make God bless you after a sneeze a crime while they help crazy imamas sue regular people if they report suspicious activity if its a muslim. This is because the ACLU director (Anthony Romero) and others his staff are homosexuals etc (dont forget they did once try to make owning child porn egal) and they hate judeo christian culture almost as much as the Islamo-facists. The enemy of my enemy is my friend is the rule for them. Its bizarre that Islamofacists want to throw homosexuals off buildings (as per the Koran) and kill jews but the liberal jews and homosexuals will work with them in hatred for judeo-christian culture. Thats because they have the same seething lower nature. Not that I like the phony prechers on TV
Kids, this is what happens to your brain when you do too much meth.
Still think he's a troll? I stand by my original diagnosis of some sort of insane paranoid disorder.
 

Pabster

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I'm all for removing religion from politics completely.

I, for one, am sick of "pastors" and "reverends" and "churches" which are anything but, let alone their undue influence in our political system.
 

Moonbeam

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Meh, it's not worth getting into this discussion on the intarweb as there is way too much to go into. But I stand by my statement.

Then STFU. If you can't make a case have the humility not to say you have one.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Butterbean

Not if the ACLU and Soros can do anytrhing about it. I agree with your point. I just say the huge judeo christian elements of the culture are under attack under the guider of fairness. All the corrupt legal groups like ACLU seek to make God bless you after a sneeze a crime while they help crazy imamas sue regular people if they report suspicious activity if its a muslim. This is because the ACLU director (Anthony Romero) and others his staff are homosexuals etc (dont forget they did once try to make owning child porn egal) and they hate judeo christian culture almost as much as the Islamo-facists. The enemy of my enemy is my friend is the rule for them. Its bizarre that Islamofacists want to throw homosexuals off buildings (as per the Koran) and kill jews but the liberal jews and homosexuals will work with them in hatred for judeo-christian culture. Thats because they have the same seething lower nature. Not that I like the phony prechers on TV
Kids, this is what happens to your brain when you do too much meth.
Still think he's a troll? I stand by my original diagnosis of some sort of insane paranoid disorder.
You're right, he really believes what he posts.

But I've seen the garbage he spews before. The first time way back in high school by some puny nerd classmate who cut his hair and shaved his pubescent mustache to try to look like Hitler. This is typical neo-nazi/KKK propaganda (i.e. Stormfront), regurgitated unthinkingly by your typical brainwashed tag-a-long.
 

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