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Things like this are why I'm voting for Obama

fskimospy

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Video here.

Finally someone who speaks about the intersection of religion and politics like an adult. Great speech, and a great message.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: loki8481
Obama's running as a secularist now? :laugh: that's funny.
I guess you missed the point entirely.
I was going by the summary... still in the midst of watching it.
Next time unzip before attempting to piss on a thread.

 

nageov3t

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just finished watching it... I agreed with the last bit, but if your religion is a cornerstone of your life, how can you completely divorce it from your perspective and judgment, and how can you morally justify passing laws that go in opposition to the faith you've upheld for your entire life?
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: loki8481
just finished watching it... I agreed with the last bit, but if your religion is a cornerstone of your life, how can you completely divorce it from your perspective and judgment, and how can you morally justify passing laws that go in opposition to the faith you've upheld for your entire life?
That's an easy one to answer....

It's because most are not under the impression that they are allowed to FORCE that religion onto others and are rational enough to know that the country was founded on the principal that the practice of trying to do just that is illegal.
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: loki8481
just finished watching it... I agreed with the last bit, but if your religion is a cornerstone of your life, how can you completely divorce it from your perspective and judgment, and how can you morally justify passing laws that go in opposition to the faith you've upheld for your entire life?
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Maybe exactly the point, since in some ways we are all a minority of one, one has to learn that the mission of leadership is not to impose your own narrow views on everyone else.

Kennedy did that when he declared that even as a catholic, he would not let the Pope run his public policy, Huckabee, who may be a certified Grade A religious nut, still was a very good Governor because he did not not let his private religious views influence public policy, and its also the position of the United States Constitution.

If one is solely ruled by religion, maybe you can advance in the leadership of your own church, but one sadly is somewhat self disqualified from secular public leadership.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: loki8481
just finished watching it... I agreed with the last bit, but if your religion is a cornerstone of your life, how can you completely divorce it from your perspective and judgment, and how can you morally justify passing laws that go in opposition to the faith you've upheld for your entire life?
Because you live in a democracy. You were elected to represent all those in your community, not just the majority. It's tough but that's why you're the leader.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: loki8481
just finished watching it... I agreed with the last bit, but if your religion is a cornerstone of your life, how can you completely divorce it from your perspective and judgment, and how can you morally justify passing laws that go in opposition to the faith you've upheld for your entire life?
Examples, please. Try this guideline, are there universal justifications for the law not limited to religious grounds? What are examples that are so limited but you want passed?
 

CADsortaGUY

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It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
Please explain how he purposefully misrepresents Christianity.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
Please explain how he purposefully misrepresents Christianity.
Did you listen to the first part of the clip? Sheesh.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
Please explain how he purposefully misrepresents Christianity.
Did you listen to the first part of the clip? Sheesh.
I just listened to the first part of the clip...didn't see any misrepresentation of Christianity. Could you transcribe the section you're referring to?

 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
Please explain how he purposefully misrepresents Christianity.
Did you listen to the first part of the clip? Sheesh.
Yes, please elaborate.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
It's speeches like this that may just lift the "religious vote" off their hands this fall and vote against him as he seems to purposely misrepresent Christianity. But I have no doubt that the secular people will eat this sort of thing up.
Please explain how he purposefully misrepresents Christianity.
Did you listen to the first part of the clip? Sheesh.
I just listened to the first part of the clip...didn't see any misrepresentation of Christianity. Could you transcribe the section you're referring to?
Yes please do. I'm not a Christian so please enlighten me here on how he misrepresented Christianity.

 

nonameo

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Wow, all they have to do is show this video on national TV, and obama will lose a lot of votes in the bible belt. LOTS of them.

That said, I can't say I disagree with him :p
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: nonameo
Wow, all they have to do is show this video on national TV, and obama will lose a lot of votes in the bible belt. LOTS of them.

That said, I can't say I disagree with him :p
It's been in the public record for quite some time, as I believe all of this is more or less a paraphrasing of what was in his book.

His book was released nationally.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: nonameo
Wow, all they have to do is show this video on national TV, and obama will lose a lot of votes in the bible belt. LOTS of them.

That said, I can't say I disagree with him :p
He won't lose many because the Fundies aren't going to vote for him in mass anyway.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: nonameo
Wow, all they have to do is show this video on national TV, and obama will lose a lot of votes in the bible belt. LOTS of them.

That said, I can't say I disagree with him :p
He won't lose many because the Fundies aren't going to vote for him in mass anyway.
Exactly. The right can't afford to use this as an attack, because they need both the far-right religious groups who they look for little ways to keep in their camp - cheap, easy things like working 'code words' into speeches that say "hey, here's the secret handshake that we're on your side, nudge nudge wink wink", but not much of substance other than the occassional flashy Terri Schiavo incident or the financing of 'faith-base initiatives' to buy off the leaders - but they need other voters too who don't care for the religious right.

If they were seen to attack Obama for this reasonable speech, it'd turn off a lot of those other voters, while they already have the religious right largely wrapped up.
 

Jhhnn

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What a rat-bastard- denouncing dominionism, just like the founders.... guy's got a lot of nerve, I tell ya'...

Probably thinks that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are a guide to good govt, rather than a hindrance- The Horror!
 

Butterbean

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That's just another speech that illustrates what I already knew - namley that Obama is not a Christian or a Muslim but an Alinsky neo-Marxist who pretends to have religion (and keep in mind Trinitys black Jesus is for "the chosen" black people so claiming to be Christian is weird). Since close to 80% of Americans describe themselves as a Christian of some sort its thoughtful of his wierdness to decalre the US no longer a Christian nation. No doubt he'll like to declare it no longer a constitutional repulic nation as well. Bama is for the fringe groups at the expense of the larger whole - pefectly neo-Marxist in the Gramcian/Frankfurt tradition. Obama is a creep.G
 

Jhhnn

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The only thing lacking in that post, Butterbean, is the creaky hinge sound usually heard just prior to the beginning of another "Tale From The Crypt"...
 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The only thing lacking in that post, Butterbean, is the creaky hinge sound usually heard just prior to the beginning of another "Tale From The Crypt"...
Yeah you would know about crypts. Obama too since he wants to resurrect dead socialism even as Europe is starting to reject it.

Speaking of the Dali Bama saying he didnt grow up Muslim his "half-brother" (Jesus what a family - did you know Obama's father wasn't even divorced from his wife in Africa when he married the white chick ? )

"Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim"
http://web.israelinsider.com/A...les/Politics/12918.htm

So we have a guy who was raised Muslim denying he was raised Muslim (he treats it like an insult) who joins a church without a Jew Jesus but a black one for chosen black people - and then pretending to be a Christian he announces America is no longer Christian. Smart people like me can't buy this.
 

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