"There is no moral equivalence between Israel and Hamas"

[cabri]

You bombard them because they refuse to give up their legitimate rights (that are recognized by the UNO resolutions).

Hamas, like Fatah before it accepted to be an israeli sub contractor, is a resistance movement, that they use religion as a banner wont change this fact, neither will it change the fact that you have usurped their rights, that is, stolen private properties by the truck loads , heck , a lot of israelis in jerusalem are living on thoses stolen houses (and lands) whose property titles are detained by ousted palestinians and wich were confiscated by the zionists so called governements in breach of all international laws and said UNO resolutions.

Here all the UNO resolutions violated by this rogue state :

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com...olations-of-u-n-security-council-resolutions/

And the list will grow given that criminals always try to cancel a crime by perpetrating another crime.

That list is not resolutions violated by Israel.

It is a list of resolutions filed against Israel.

Please show a list of resolutions filed against the Arabs/Palestinians on behalf of Israel.

You bombard them because they refuse to give up their legitimate rights (that are recognized by the UNO resolutions).

Gaza is bombed because the Palestinians/Hamas choose to launch mortars and rockets at Israel from Gaza. Why should they have the right to attack Israel, but Israel can not reciprocate.

the UN also recognized that Israel had the right to exists. Yet, the Arabs/Palestinians have chosen to attack them and some refuse to recognize the right to exists, even though the same UN that created Israel also create the Arab nations within the ME.

 

[PingviN]

IF that wasnt true they would had not engaged in thoses killings, it s not like
200+ killed is a little number given Gaza s total population

It's a small number when put in the perspective of the thousands of strikes Israel has launched into Gaza. If civilian casualties was the objective, they would've killed a whole lot more.

besides, what would be your opinion if 50 israelis were randomly killed by the palestinians?

If Israel launched missiles and kept weapon stored in highly populated areas I would hold the same standpoint as I do towards Hamas.

Oh, of course, it would be crimes, because you count israelis as real human while you think that palestinians are untermenschen and you can do nothing about it because it is entrenched in your secret garden.

Changing your position would imply that you supported criminals all this time, so rather than questionning yourself you prefer to go further and further in your denials, it is called narcissism in disguise.

And here we go again, keeping the foot all the way down on the retard-throttle. Full steam ahead.

But now, tell me, your prime minister in the 80s, Olof Palme, was a staunch supporter of the palestinians, so you think that you are more intelligent than him, that , as a prime minister, he did know nothing about the conflict roots and that his stances were only due to emotion..?..

Foot still not off the throttle I see. Olof Palme also supported communist forces in Indochina, including the one responsible for the genocide in Cambodia.

He supported Castro's regime in Cuba.

He also supported forced sterilization conducted by the Institute of Racial Biology.

I don't think being a politician automatically grants you the power of objectivity, intelligence and intellect. And there are a lot of things that Palme did that was wrong. Not everything, naturally, but enough for me to question you using him as some sort of moral role model.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

They gain more palestinians killed, wich is the purpose of their agression.

Lie.

If Israel's true purpose was to kill a lot of Palestinians, it would only take a few days to kill most everyone residing in Gaza. Only a few seconds if they used nukes. In contrast, it's not hard to imagine what Hamas would do with a few nukes assuming they had them.

 

[werepossum]

Irrelevant you said.??..

Interception rate is barely 30% , so it doesnt work well at all , wich completely destroy your assumptions, that s why i didnt even bother quoting the rest of your post, but i m used to read your never ending propaganda based either on twisted facts or some kind of deep clulessness (i vote for the first option).

In one thread you defended Hamas as launching a few rockets they knew wouldn't hurt anyone, and in this thread you're denying that the missile shield works. Interesting.

Maybe so, but they have been called that for hundreds of years. There were no 'Palistinians' until the Arab community at large decided it was a good idea to try and convince the world this was a separate ethnic group. They aren't.

"Palestine is a name coined by the Romans around 135 CE from the name of a seagoing Aegean people who settled on the coast of Canaan in antiquity – the Philistines.
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The name was chosen to replace Judea, as a sign that Jewish sovereignty had been eradicated following the Jewish Revolts against Rome.
In the course of time, the Latin name Philistia was further bastardized into Palistina or Palestine.http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=5240830917291851559&postID=5145488243484835692 During the next 2,000 years Palestine was never an independent state belonging to any people, nor did a Palestinian people distinct from other Arabs appear during 1,300 years of Muslim hegemony in Palestine under Arab and Ottoman rule.
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During that rule, local Arabs were actually considered part of, and subject to, the authority of Greater Syria ( Suriyya al-Kubra). Archeologists explain that the Philistines were a Mediterranean people who settled along the coast of Canaan in 1100 BCE. They have no connection to the Arab nation, a desert people who emerged from the Arabian Peninsula.
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Tagging the Arabs in Palestine as Palestinian was a mission fabricated by Arabs to attempt to assert the Arab right to the Jewish holy lands at the time when Jewish statehood was becoming a reality – but history shows that Arabs were never identified as Palestinians:

This is substantiated in countless official British Mandate-vintage documents that speak of the Jews and the Arabs of Palestine – not Jews and Palestinians."
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That's kind of rules lawyering, dude. Palestinians are by default the Arabs of Palestine who are not Israelis.

Netanyahu nailed it. "Here’s the difference between us. We’re using missile defense to protect our civilians, and they’re using their civilians to protect their missiles.”

lol That's a brilliant juxtaposition indeed.

 

[fskimospy]

Lie.

If Israel's true purpose was to kill a lot of Palestinians, it would only take a few days to kill most everyone residing in Gaza. Only a few seconds if they used nukes. In contrast, it's not hard to imagine what Hamas would do with a few nukes assuming they had them.

This is true. Israel's goal is quite clearly the displacement and ghettoization of the Palestinians so that Israel can claim ownership of disputed lands due to facts on the ground. They are not seeking their deaths unless they are acting in direct opposition to that goal.

 

[werepossum]

Netanyahu is a total dirtbag. He is personally one of the largest contributors to the continuing instability. Israel badly needs to toss that guy out and get someone who is actually interested in solving the Israeli-Palestinian issue.

For example in this case, Netanyahu knew almost right away that the three individuals who were kidnapped were dead. He decided to conduct a "search" for them anyway, which mostly just involved kicking in doors all over Gaza. He also knew that the kidnappers didn't act on orders from Hamas, but decided to engage in collective punishment anyway.

The kidnapping and murder of those poor people was a heinous crime. Sadly, the response of terrorizing and attacking people who had nothing to do with it is also a heinous crime. It's frankly disgusting to me that someone who is as morally bankrupt as Netanyahu would attempt to talk about how morally superior Israel's actions in this situation are.

How totally bizarre that the Jews haven't taken your advice and elected leaders who will ignore their kidnapping and murder. Are you sure you've made it plain that you know so much better than they?

 

[Abwx]

Foot still not off the throttle I see. Olof Palme also supported communist forces in Indochina, including the one responsible for the genocide in Cambodia.

He supported Castro's regime in Cuba.

He also supported forced sterilization conducted by the Institute of Racial Biology.

Because you think that Castro wasnt right when ousting the US that had previously transformed Cuba as a giant closed house and using cuban women as prostitutes as much as they could.?

And Indochina, or rather Vietnam, was wrong also, they should had accepted the US domination.?.

I took thoses two exemples as prove that you dont know nothing about history and are just producing hot air or mixing issues that have nothing to do together.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

This is true. Israel's goal is quite clearly the displacement and ghettoization of the Palestinians so that Israel can claim ownership of disputed lands due to facts on the ground. They are not seeking their deaths unless they are acting in direct opposition to that goal.

Link?

 

[Abwx]

Lie.

If Israel's true purpose was to kill a lot of Palestinians, it would only take a few days to kill most everyone residing in Gaza. Only a few seconds if they used nukes. In contrast, it's not hard to imagine what Hamas would do with a few nukes assuming they had them.

As much as possible , yes..

Do you understand what means as much as possible...??.

It is not one but not one million either..

Now guess what it means.

 

[Abwx]

In one thread you defended Hamas as launching a few rockets they knew wouldn't hurt anyone, and in this thread you're denying that the missile shield works. Interesting.

Yes, is there a contradiction ? Please do tell.

And it s not a missile shield, palestinians dont have missiles but i guess that the confusion is not by chance, you re repeating the western morons dedicated israeli propaganda.

 

[fskimospy]

Link?

I would say that's a pretty blatantly obvious conclusion from their actions. They have clearly ghettoized the Palestinians into the West Bank and Gaza and are currently and steadily building settlements on disputed territory despite this being a clear violation of the Geneva Conventions and the UN Charter, in the face of overwhelming international opposition.

If you have another explanation for their actions I'd be interested to hear it.

 

[Jaskalas]

"There is no moral equivalence between Israel and Hamas"

You can say that again.

Hamas violates humanitarian ceasefire...

Terrorists gonna terrorist.

 

[PingviN]

Because you think that Castro wasnt right when ousting the US that had previously transformed Cuba as a giant closed house and using cuban women as prostitutes as much as they could.?

Are you seriously going to defend the Castro regime?

And Indochina, or rather Vietnam, was wrong also, they should had accepted the US domination.?.

Are you seriously going to defend the Khmer Rouge?

I took thoses two exemples as prove that you dont know nothing about history and are just producing hot air or mixing issues that have nothing to do together.

What you show is willful ignorance, nothing more. Palme supported communist regimes because he was a communist, like a lot of his party members was. I'm sure he opposed America's influence in the world, but the result of the actions taken by those he defended were far worse than anything America has ever done.

 

[QuantumPion]

I would say that's a pretty blatantly obvious conclusion from their actions. They have clearly ghettoized the Palestinians into the West Bank and Gaza and are currently and steadily building settlements on disputed territory despite this being a clear violation of the Geneva Conventions and the UN Charter, in the face of overwhelming international opposition.

If you have another explanation for their actions I'd be interested to hear it.

Israel "ghettoized" the palestinians in the same way the US government ghettoizes people in this country - by giving them welfare aid in perpetuity with no expectation of having to earn a living for themselves. Israel does the same thing to its own citizens - they have a huge societal welfare problem similar to our own.

The difference is the Israelis on welfare are only a minority of society where as with the palestinians, a vast majority welfare dependent. Furthermore, Israel has western rule of law conductive to free enterprise and economic activity while the west bank/gaza suffers similar economic pitfalls of other Islamic cultures. Imagine how poor other arab countries would be if they didn't have oil.

 

[fskimospy]

Israel "ghettoized" the palestinians in the same way the US government ghettoizes people in this country - by giving them welfare aid in perpetuity with no expectation of having to earn a living for themselves. Israel does the same thing to its own citizens - they have a huge societal welfare problem similar to our own.

Or they "ghettoized" them by building large walls, exerting martial authority over, and controlling ingress and egress from certain areas that are deliberately designed to concentrate Palestinians.

Yeah so it was either welfare or that.

The difference is the Jews on welfare are only a minority of society where as the Palestinians are a vast majority welfare dependent. Furthermore Israel has western rule of law conductive to free enterprise and economic activity while Palestine suffers similar economic pitfalls of other Islamic cultures. Imagine how poor other arab countries would be if they didn't have oil.

Or... you know....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Palestinian_territories#Conflict

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I would say that's a pretty blatantly obvious conclusion from their actions. They have clearly ghettoized the Palestinians into the West Bank and Gaza and are currently and steadily building settlements on disputed territory despite this being a clear violation of the Geneva Conventions and the UN Charter, in the face of overwhelming international opposition.

If you have another explanation for their actions I'd be interested to hear it.

What...no facts to back up your opinion? There is a huge difference in economic prosperity between the West Bank and Gaza where poverty in Gaza is twice as high as the West Bank...what could possibly be the explanation for this disparity assuming Israel wants to ghettoize both as you indicate? Could it possibly have something to do with Hamas controlling Gaza and all those rocket attacks?

http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/westbankandgaza/overview

Palestinian economic growth slowed considerably and is estimated to have fallen to 1.5% in 2013. A quarter of the Palestinian workforce remains unemployed—including one of every three workers in Gaza. A quarter of the Palestinian population lives in poverty, with rates in Gaza twice as high as in the West Bank. The economic slowdown has resulted in fiscal pressures that put at risk the provision of public services by the Palestinian Authority.

 

[werepossum]

Yes, is there a contradiction ? Please do tell.

And it s not a missile shield, palestinians dont have missiles but i guess that the confusion is not by chance, you re repeating the western morons dedicated israeli propaganda.

There is a huge contradiction. If the missile shield doesn't work, then Hamas must reasonably expect wholesale Israeli casualties from their rocket attacks.

And Iron Dome IS a missile shield; it also works against rockets as rockets are merely missiles without guidance systems. In fact, it works even better against rockets which fly ballistic paths without mid-course correction. As a missile defense system it also works on aircraft within its engagement ceiling, aircraft generally being much easier to hit than are missiles. (Admittedly this point is arguable as fighters to be quite difficult to hit compared to missiles which typically lack high G if not all avoidance capability.) And when the lasers are operable and installed, it will transition to a fully integrated air defense system also capable of defeating heavy mortar and artillery shells, albeit still relying on conventional air defense systems for full defense against aircraft.

 

[fskimospy]

What...no facts to back up your opinion?

I just listed numerous facts. Did you miss them?

There is a huge difference in economic prosperity between the West Bank and Gaza where poverty in Gaza is twice as high as the West Bank...what could possibly be the explanation for this disparity assuming Israel wants to ghettoize both as you indicate? Could it have something to do with Hamas controllong Gaza by chance and all those rocket attacks?

Is your argument that because one ghetto is worse than the other that they both aren't ghettos? They fit the definition pretty much to a T.

It's also interesting that you refer to "economic prosperity" as if both regions weren't economically destitute, in significant part because of the fact that Israel has largely shut down movement in and out of the occupied territories.

 

[cabri]

Or they "ghettoized" them by building large walls, exerting martial authority over, and controlling ingress and egress from certain areas that are deliberately designed to concentrate Palestinians.

It was Egypt and Trans-Jordan that created what you call ghettos.
They refused to let the Palestinians come into their countries even though they created the crisis.

Israel put up the barriers as a protection from attacks from the Palestinians launching attacks from areas controlled by (now) Jordan and Egypt.
those countries refused to control their borders, so Israel had to protect their borders and citizens from attacks.

A country should be allowed to control access from the outside.
Take up your complaints about isolation with Egypt and Jordan.
Israel is the one providing utilities to the West Bank and Gaza; not the two countries that created the problem.

 

[fskimospy]

It was Egypt and Trans-Jordan that created what you call ghettos.
They refused to let the Palestinians come into their countries even though they created the crisis.

Israel put up the barriers as a protection from attacks from the Palestinians launching attacks from areas controlled by (now) Jordan and Egypt.
those countries refused to control their borders, so Israel had to protect their borders and citizens from attacks.

A country should be allowed to control access from the outside.
Take up your complaints about isolation with Egypt and Jordan.
Israel is the one providing utilities to the West Bank and Gaza; not the two countries that created the problem.

Interesting that you believe that the country illegally occupying those territories isn't the one at fault.

Who knew!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I just listed numerous facts. Did you miss them?



Is your argument that because one ghetto is worse than the other that they both aren't ghettos? They fit the definition pretty much to a T.

It's also interesting that you refer to "economic prosperity" as if both regions weren't economically destitute, in significant part because of the fact that Israel has largely shut down movement in and out of the occupied territories.

And why would they do such a thing?

 

[fskimospy]

And why would they do such a thing?

Because people in the illegally occupied territories are resisting Israel's illegal occupation. I thought this was common knowledge.

Back to my original point, this is why Israel has ghettoized them; it inhibits their ability to stop Israel from effectively annexing disputed regions through settlements.

 

[Jaskalas]

Interesting that you believe that the country illegally occupying those territories isn't the one at fault.

Who knew!

You're telling us Israel controls the Gaza border with Egypt and the West Bank border with Jordan?

 

[cabri]

Interesting that you believe that the country illegally occupying those territories isn't the one at fault.

Who knew!

If there is a "country" for the Palestinians, we know that Egypt and Trans-Jordan illegally occupied that territory.
And both countries attacked Israel while passing through that territory multiple times.

Yet, you seem to feel that Israel has no right to defend and retaliate against those that attacked her.

Given that there is no county of Palestine; then the gripe should be from Egypt and Jordan. they were the countries that were to hold the land per the UN. but neither of those countries want anything to do with the Palestinians.

 

[fskimospy]

You're telling us Israel controls the Gaza border with Egypt and the West Bank border with Jordan?

No, I'm saying that it's bizarre to attempt to shift blame away from the illegal occupying power.

Out of the three countries mentioned, how many are currently violating the Geneva Conventions in relation to the occupied territories? Maybe we should start with the war crime guys first and then go from there.

What do you think?