"There is no moral equivalence between Israel and Hamas"

[Abwx]

Personally I refuse to define manliness as using civilians as shields while launching rockets and mortars at other civilians, or even manfully blowing oneself up to manfully turn Jewish babies into red goo that must be scraped off walls. That is the very antithesis of manliness.

The strategy of the zionists is to let a few caravans settle in palestinian land in total illegality, but if the spolied palestinian want to oust thoses squatters when they arrived he will face armed "civilians" and if he resist either they kill him or the army kill him under the pretense that he want to kill the israelis "civilians", later they provide water and electricity and then they start building while the israeli usupatory state start confiscating said land and issue constructions permissions, that is the usupatory state use so called civilians as a shield to colonize always more land, that is , if you want to know who is using (armed) civilians as a shield, this is specificaly a zionist speciality.

Anyway, i understand why they succeed so well in shaping the US average joe, or should i say average moron, discutable IQ.....

 

[Jaskalas]

So by not allowing a flood of refugees from areas devastated by military occupation they are just as guilty as those who devastated the areas and militarily occupy them.

That makes absolutely no sense.

That is because you do not recognize the right to self defense. Example: Israel only enters Gaza when provoked by escalation of war and violence. When they enter Gaza, they have every right to do so.

Waiting for Israel and Palestinians to improve the situation is only going to leave the world with 50+ more years of disappointment. Think outside the box for once and realize Israel is not the only enemy of the Palestinian people. A simple act of kindness from a "third" party would immediately improve the situation.

If the world wants to fund relief efforts, it should be directed towards Egypt on a requirement of opening the border. That would do more to help the Palestinians than anyone has ever done. Stop covering for Egypt and start kicking them into action.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Self-defense?

That must be factually and historically accurate.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Ah here we go:

http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/palestine-animated-introduction.html

 

[MongGrel]

Self-defense?

That must be factually and historically accurate.

Pretty much this I imagine.

You shoot at us, you're going to get shot at.

End of story.

 

[fskimospy]

That is because you do not recognize the right to self defense. Example: Israel only enters Gaza when provoked by escalation of war and violence. When they enter Gaza, they have every right to do so.

Waiting for Israel and Palestinians to improve the situation is only going to leave the world with 50+ more years of disappointment. Think outside the box for once and realize Israel is not the only enemy of the Palestinian people. A simple act of kindness from a "third" party would immediately improve the situation.

If the world wants to fund relief efforts, it should be directed towards Egypt on a requirement of opening the border. That would do more to help the Palestinians than anyone has ever done. Stop covering for Egypt and start kicking them into action.

Interesting. So when you occupy people's land illegally and they fight back, what you're doing is self defense.

This is a very new definition of self defense.

 

[Abwx]

Interesting. So when you occupy people's land illegally and they fight back, what you're doing is self defense.

This is a very new definition of self defense.

Too much zio fairy kool aid tales create a lot of hallucinations, or they know it and they just lie one more time to cancel the previous lie, exactly like the usurpatory pseudo state is canceling a crime with even more crime, addicted that he is of palestinian blood as a gift for his sadistic and perverse god.

 

[Zaap]

Heard a great quote today that's so true:

Isreal uses its rockets to protect its civilians.

The Palestinians use their civilians to protect their rockets.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

That is a mind numbingly stupid thing to say.

 

[QuantumPion]

illegally

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Why do the Palestinians have a legal claim to land they lost as a result of multiple failed wars of conquest which they initiated?

 

[QuantumPion]

Hamas rocket armory found in UN school:

http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-strongly-condemns-placement-rockets-school

Using human shields and using schools and hospitals for rocket launching sites, with the explicit purpose of getting civilians killed to use for propaganda purposes. Pretty sure that's against the Geneva convention or something.

 

[Jaskalas]

Interesting. So when you occupy people's land illegally and they fight back, what you're doing is self defense.

This is a very new definition of self defense.

You probably wouldn't just sit by passively if I were launching artillery or heavy ordnance at your neighborhood. Yes, it is self defense to retaliate against your assailant.

So what do you want eskimospy, a pissing contest? Okay - they can both claim self defense and kill each other. May the best fighter win. Wait, no, we already know who wins. What you want is to choose sides and attack your opponent on behalf of the Palestinians.

If you wanted a better life for them you would not obsessively change the subject away from what Egypt and Jordan can do to help. What the WORLD could do to funnel money into Egypt and Jordan to encourage them to help. To assist them in opening the border and freeing the Palestinians.

Maybe you ignore this chance to save the Palestinians, because choosing sides and wanting to attack Israel is more important to you than the lives of innocent women and children. You'd rather raise the Hamas banner over their dead bodies!

:thumbsdown::'thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

 

[cubby1223]

Interesting. So when you occupy people's land illegally and they fight back, what you're doing is self defense.

This is a very new definition of self defense.

Okay, you could be talking about two different things when you say "occupy".

(1) the initial formation of Israel. The overwhelming majority of people who live in the region were not alive during the formation of the country, therefore they are innocents born into the situation. Not justification for rocket bombardment.

(2) Israelis constructing building on lands just across the border. Do you believe this is why Hamas is firing rockets into Israel? Do you believe that if a building was never constructed across the border, the rockets into Israel would stop? Fuck no. You're trying to take two different situations and claim one is the reason for the other when there is absolutely no proof that is the truth.

 

[Mani]

Heard a great quote today that's so true:

Isreal uses its rockets to protect its civilians.

The Palestinians use their civilians to protect their rockets.

Oh good lord.

I will say one thing about Israel - they have perfected PR. They've got people parroting their bullshit all over the place.

 

[fskimospy]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Why do the Palestinians have a legal claim to land they lost as a result of multiple failed wars of conquest which they initiated?

If you don't think Israeli activity is illegal you need to notify the ICJ, the UN, and nearly every country on the planet as basically all of them have described it as such. I'm sure they would appreciate your input.

 

[QuantumPion]

If you don't think Israeli activity is illegal you need to notify the ICJ, the UN, and nearly every country on the planet as basically all of them have described it as such. I'm sure they would appreciate your input.

Irrelevent. I don't really count the word of an organization which hides rockets in schools and hospitals as an authority on the legality of war. Besides, you are evading the question.

Why do the Palestinians have a legal claim to land they lost as a result of multiple failed wars of conquest which they initiated?

 

[Abwx]

Irrelevent. I don't really count the word of an organization which hides rockets in schools and hospitals as an authority on the legality of war. Besides, you are evading the question.

Why do the Palestinians have a legal claim to land they lost as a result of multiple failed wars of conquest which they initiated?

Here the initiators of the wars they projected long before the partition and the next day the partition was done and to this day, notice the first date and the guy who became the first prime minister of this usurpatory state.

All others quotes are from prime ministers, but anyway the zionists aknwoledge themselves that they had all intentions to respect nothing but still you re saying otherwise in a pitifull try to exonerate them from the crimes they recognized themselves..

How can one be so much mentaly enslaved.???

"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.


"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
-- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.



"Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen."
-- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961


"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"


"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.


"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.


"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Irrelevent. I don't really count the word of an organization which hides rockets in schools and hospitals as an authority on the legality of war. Besides, you are evading the question.
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Hmmm this organization also founded Israel

 

[QuantumPion]

Hmmm this organization also founded Israel

Yeah, nearly 70 years ago, when the UN was run by the western powers. It's not quite the same organization today.

 

[QuantumPion]

double post

 

[Whiskey16]

Why do the Palestinians have a legal claim to land they lost as a result of multiple failed wars of conquest which they initiated?

Quite simple, this ain't pre-WWII.

By law, territory occupied in warfare (regardless how you argue it being defensive or aggressive) may not be annexed into another's jurisdiction. Besides, the moment one expands their territory under military might, that is by any definition -- aggression.

Israel and its shills are blowing hot air is a desperate losing PR war. Hamas is the state of Israel's friend -- a willing smokescreen and diversion to weaken a united Palestine and enable the continued policy of lebensraum into territory to Israel's east.

QuantumPion, not others, rather the onus is upon you to cite law defending the unilateral annexation of land and expansion of borders. You cannot, as that is an impossibility. When I have time, I will re-enter this thread to fully damn your position with the direct citations of laws broken by Israeli colonisation -- laws reaffirmed and damning Israel by your own US government and even Israel's best of world buds, Canada.

 

[fskimospy]

Quite simple, this ain't pre-WWII.

By law, territory occupied in warfare (regardless how you argue it being defensive or aggressive) may not be annexed into another's jurisdiction. Besides, the moment one expands their territory under military might, that is by any definition -- aggression.

Israel and its shills are blowing hot air is a desperate losing PR war. Hamas is the state of Israel's friend -- a willing smokescreen and diversion to weaken a united Palestine and enable the continued policy of lebensraum into territory to Israel's east.

QuantumPion, not others, rather the onus is upon you to cite law defending the unilateral annexation of land and expansion of borders. You cannot, as that is an impossibility. When I have time, I will re-enter this thread to fully damn your position with the direct citations of laws broken by Israeli colonisation -- laws reaffirmed and damning Israel by your own US government and even Israel's best of world buds, Canada.

Yeap.

 

[QuantumPion]

Quite simple, this ain't pre-WWII.

By law, territory occupied in warfare (regardless how you argue it being defensive or aggressive) may not be annexed into another's jurisdiction. Besides, the moment one expands their territory under military might, that is by any definition -- aggression.

Israel and its shills are blowing hot air is a desperate losing PR war. Hamas is the state of Israel's friend -- a willing smokescreen and diversion to weaken a united Palestine and enable the continued policy of lebensraum into territory to Israel's east.

QuantumPion, not others, rather the onus is upon you to cite law defending the unilateral annexation of land and expansion of borders. You cannot, as that is an impossibility. When I have time, I will re-enter this thread to fully damn your position with the direct citations of laws broken by Israeli colonisation -- laws reaffirmed and damning Israel by your own US government and even Israel's best of world buds, Canada.

Lol another lunatic to add to my ignore list. I guess WW2 was illegal and we are illegally occupying Germany and Japan too, by your logic.

 

[fskimospy]

Lol another lunatic to add to my ignore list. I guess WW2 was illegal and we are illegally occupying Germany and Japan too, by your logic.

Interesting that being informed of reality that contradicts your opinion makes you reach for the ignore button.

 

[QuantumPion]

Yeap.

Still evading, still haven't answered the question.

Why do the Palestinians have a legal claim to land they lost as a result of multiple failed wars of conquest which they initiated?