The value of Portland debate (moved from OT)

[FelixDeCat]

Here we go again with claiming that its actually them other doing what you are doing. You are leading the big lie. You stormed the Capitol. You propagate the Q bullshit. You want fascist minority rule. That is why you are trying to hack the election. the past election. future elections.
Dont be that fucking moron. For the love of god, dont be that fucking moron.

Thats odd. Where did you come up with me "storming the capital", "Propagating the Q bullshit", wanting fascist minority rule or tying to hack an election? I did not post any of that here, you are just making a presumptive guess that I did and running with it.

Fact is, I did not storm the capital. I dont even know nor care what "Q" is in the political sense (just a character on Star Trek) or any else of that bullshit. Im America, the states have a right to make their own election rules.

Granted there is slight difference between America's version of ANTIFA vs the European version. The American ANTIFA are pure, violent extremists who seek to create anarchy for the sake of anarchy. I dare anyone to go to an ANTIFA rally and try to oppose them. You will get badly beaten with fists, melee weapons, gases and whatever else is available. You will be lucky to be alive because the cops arent going to do a damn thing to stop it.

I know you are European and I know you support ANTIFA because you believe in the romanticized notion of their existence. But that is not what they are here.

 

[Sunburn74]

I live in Portland. It's nice. The only issue I have is the government is way too lax with homeless encampments. People can basically throw up a tent anywhere or scrap metal/wood cabin and nothing happens. These tent cities can quickly become huge garbage dumps. They also could do a better job with keeping protests under control but those have died way down under Biden. Businesses still are scared however and haven't un-boarded windows yet in much of downtown. However that's the inner city. The neighborhoods are just regular neighborhoods and there's lots to do outdoors. Going white water rafting this weekend for example and only need to drive like 20 mins. Downtown really is an area that isn't really what people think about when they think about Portland and there isn't really much down there at all actually.

The city is working on the homeless problem but it's way too slow and I'd rather see them be heavy handed about it cause it's ridiculous in some places. You literally can't walk down some streets caused they're blocked with tents. I'm not anti homeless but I can't build a house in random places but some of these homeless people are building makeshift wooden cabins and nothing is happening. It's crazy.

 

[ponyo]

I've lived in central IL, Lexington KY, Omaha NE, Iowa City and Phoenix. And now here. There's no other place I want to be. Other than maybe a vacation home in Bend. Never in my life have I had access to everything I do here.

I live in the inner east side. My wife bikes to work. It's a 10 minute ride and she has a dedicated locker. I used to commute downtown on my bike before Covid. Now I work from home. My kids can walk to all three schools (Elementary, middle, high) and there's parks all around us. I can walk 20 minutes in any direction and have dozens of dining options, food carts, breweries, ect. It's amazing to have that within minutes of my house and not mess with parking. I rarely drive any more. In April I finally used up a tank of gas that I topped off last August. I just bike and use public transit. It's so liberating from the bumper to bump crawl I left in Lexington.

Weather here is so much better than any other place I've lived. Summers are fantastic and winters are mild compared to the midwest. When you look at the weather in the summer and see it sunny and 80. They mean it None of that humidity build up and afternoon thunderstorms in the summber I was used to. You don't have to plan to run out and roll up windows or pack up a picnic in a hurry. In the winter you get an hour or two sunshine gaps between storms. Since I work from home I can take advantage of those for a run or bike ride. It rarely dips below 40 in the winter so it's fine to go out.

I've got the amenities and access of an urban dense city minutes from me. But then I can drive 15 minutes and plop a paddle board on a river. Or hop on a bike and just stare at the river, Mt Hood, St Helens ect. It's beautiful scenery. Hop in a car and go even further east for some of the best hiking in the US or gravel bike riding. Go west and you have the coast. Go south and it's more hiking and wineries. Go north and you have Helen's, hiking, some awesome bike trails, ect. There's so much available here to enjoy.

That sounded all nice until I learned Oregon had max income tax rate of 9.9%. Nope. I don’t care how nice it is. 10% tax rate is complete deal killer. Lack of sales tax can’t offset that crazy rate.

 

[Sunburn74]

That sounded all nice until I learned Oregon had max income tax rate of 9.9%. Nope. I don’t care how nice it is. 10% tax rate is complete deal killer. Lack of sales tax can’t offset that crazy rate.

Yeah I disagree. The max state tax is high but you also make more here than other places to compensate. The job I took here paid almost 50% more than similar jobs in other places, particularly states that don't have state tax. States that have no state tax ALWAYS pay the worst, even after taxes and I don't really understand it. Also I think your state tax lowers your federal rate because you can't get taxed twice on the same dollar or something like that. The cost of living is pretty low overall and the sales tax is part of that. Also the health care here is pretty good which is great for people who don't necessarily work in huge companies are either do contract work or are entrepreneurs.

When I lived in boston, the tax rate was 5% for state but the jobs were actually paying significantly more after taxes than the same job in texas which had zero state tax. Cost of living was higher in boston and at the end of the day things ended up being kind of the same, if not slightly in favor of boston due to the higher wages.

 

[cytg111]

Thats odd. Where did you come up with me "storming the capital", "Propagating the Q bullshit", wanting fascist minority rule or tying to hack an election? I did not post any of that here, you are just making a presumptive guess that I did and running with it.

Fact is, I did not storm the capital. I dont even know nor care what "Q" is in the political sense (just a character on Star Trek) or any else of that bullshit. Im America, the states have a right to make their own election rules.

Granted there is slight difference between America's version of ANTIFA vs the European version. The American ANTIFA are pure, violent extremists who seek to create anarchy for the sake of anarchy. I dare anyone to go to an ANTIFA rally and try to oppose them. You will get badly beaten with fists, melee weapons, gases and whatever else is available. You will be lucky to be alive because the cops arent going to do a damn thing to stop it.

I know you are European and I know you support ANTIFA because you believe in the romanticized notion of their existence. But that is not what they are here.

How do you know it is ANTIFA rallies? They all wear a hat that says MAG..ANTIFA?

 

[cytg111]

Thats odd. Where did you come up with me "storming the capital", "Propagating the Q bullshit", wanting fascist minority rule or tying to hack an election? I did not post any of that here, you are just making a presumptive guess that I did and running with it.

Fact is, I did not storm the capital. I dont even know nor care what "Q" is in the political sense (just a character on Star Trek) or any else of that bullshit. Im America, the states have a right to make their own election rules.

Granted there is slight difference between America's version of ANTIFA vs the European version. The American ANTIFA are pure, violent extremists who seek to create anarchy for the sake of anarchy. I dare anyone to go to an ANTIFA rally and try to oppose them. You will get badly beaten with fists, melee weapons, gases and whatever else is available. You will be lucky to be alive because the cops arent going to do a damn thing to stop it.

I know you are European and I know you support ANTIFA because you believe in the romanticized notion of their existence. But that is not what they are here.

Antifa has no organization, no official leaders, no power structure and is local autonomous groupings of people of a shared mindset.
Any rational human being must conclude that
1. “ANTIFA” does not exist.
- Contemplate the meaning of designating ANTIFA as a terror organization. It means that you can go out, pick a RANDOM protester up and throw him in gitmo as a terrorist. Right? I mean with that loose a definition of a terrorist, it can be anybody. It can be you.
2. Those 20 people doing the actual burning and property damage are Anarchists. Not “ANTIFA”’s.. good job on the rebranding a vilifying another whole set of people in the operation. Its a disgusting tactic, and its being done TO you, cause here you are with a notion of “ANTIFA” being “something”.
War on truth man. War on truth. Only one side is doing it.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Blah, blah, blah... I suppose the entire Portland Police Riot Response Team quit yesterday because things are going so well and have such great support from the city council. Many people from Portland and outside of Portland did step up to help protect businesses, people, etc. because the police were hamstringed and abandoned by the so called evolved and elite city council.

Just walk downtown to look at the broken and boarded businesses and windows, damage, graffiti, bums on the streets, shit, piss, needles, and garbage in front of businesses, in parks, and on the main streets and sidewalks, and tent cities all over the place with all the same crap. Yup, businesses and tax payers are delighted to pay for all that, live with it, and clean it up.

If the rest of the state outside of Portland is so racist regressive hicks, I wonder why those same Portlanders repeatedly continue to vacation and travel there?

* Great coastline and cities (Astoria to Bandon)
* Central Oregon recreation and living (Bend, Redmond, Sisters),
* Southern Oregon Umpqua Basin
* High Desert
* Columbia River Gorge (Hood Rver, The Dalles, Pendleton)
* Willamette Valley Wiine Country (McMinnville, Newberg, Amity)

...and many other great places and cities without the Portland trash.

They quit because one of the officers was indicted for using unlawful force on a protester. Not because of anything you claim. This speaks volumes toward the fact that they believe they are above the law, and shouldn't be held accountable for their actions which is directly related to some of the problems taking place in Portland.

 

[MrSquished]

I've never been so Portand or Seattle. Despite everything you mentioned it seemed like a nice place to visit. Although now might not be a good time.

ANTIFA has been rioting again for no particular reason other than to cause havoc.

Where do you get your bullshit news about this massive Antifa network of ninja rioting assassin's trying to overthrow America?

When in fact your party's cult leaders people are the ones that, well, tried to overthrow democracy?

This country will fall because they're are tens of millions of people like you that don't exist in reality.

 

[MrSquished]

Blah, blah, blah...I suppose the entire Portland Police Riot Response Team quit yesterday because things are going so well and have such great support from the city council. Many people from Portland and outside of Portland did step up to help protect businesses, people, etc. because the police were hamstringed and abandoned by the so called evolved and elite city council.

Just walk downtown to look at the broken and boarded businesses and windows, damage, graffiti, bums on the streets, shit, piss, needles, and garbage in front of businesses, in parks, and on the main streets and sidewalks, and tent cities all over the place with all the same crap. Yup, businesses and tax payers are delighted to pay for all that, live with it, and clean it up.

If the rest of the state outside of Portland is so racist regressive hicks, I wonder why those same Portlanders repeatedly continue to vacation and travel there?

* Great coastline and cities (Astoria to Bandon)
* Central Oregon recreation and living (Bend, Redmond, Sisters),
* Southern Oregon Umpqua Basin
* High Desert
* Columbia River Gorge (Hood Rver, The Dalles, Pendleton)
* Willamette Valley Wiine Country (McMinnville, Newberg, Amity)

...and many other great places and cities without the Portland trash.

Sure. People go to visit beautiful nature. But the workers in the cities making the bigger money, that's whose tax dollars fund the state primarily, they don't stay in the rural areas to live, and they certainly don't go to associate with what are mostly regressive fucked up ignorant douchebags, as you have demonstrated quite clearly. They visit, then leave. Or, like in my friends case, who lives outside Bend to enjoy the trails in his early retirement, they recognize the majority of the people around them are just backwards ass hicks and it's part of the price to pay.


Portland's own fire chief had to come out and make a statement calling out your bullshit. Think about that. Oh wait, you can't think.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Where do you get your bullshit news about this massive Antifa network of ninja rioting assassin's trying to overthrow America?

When in fact your party's cult leaders people are the ones that, well, tried to overthrow democracy?

This country will fall because they're are tens of millions of people like you that don't exist in reality.

U mad bro? Maybe you need to go outside and play or something. All your posts are nothing but rants lately. And yes, ANTIFAs only acceptable form of government is no government or some sort of communism, which, ironically, is a state dictatorship where censorship and oppression is the first order of business.

 

[ponyo]

Yeah I disagree. The max state tax is high but you also make more here than other places to compensate. The job I took here paid almost 50% more than similar jobs in other places, particularly states that don't have state tax. States that have no state tax ALWAYS pay the worst, even after taxes and I don't really understand it. Also I think your state tax lowers your federal rate because you can't get taxed twice on the same dollar or something like that. The cost of living is pretty low overall and the sales tax is part of that. Also the health care here is pretty good which is great for people who don't necessarily work in huge companies are either do contract work or are entrepreneurs.

When I lived in boston, the tax rate was 5% for state but the jobs were actually paying significantly more after taxes than the same job in texas which had zero state tax. Cost of living was higher in boston and at the end of the day things ended up being kind of the same, if not slightly in favor of boston due to the higher wages.

YMMV. Like anything financial, we all have different circumstances with different levels of income. What might be better for you is not necessary better for me. Majority of my income is from investments so where I live have no financial bearing on my annual income other than the amount of state income taxes I pay. The state I currently live in has max tax rate slightly over half the max tax rate of Oregon. And I think even that is too much so I'm considering moving and changing my residency to Tennessee, Florida, Texas, or some other states with no state income tax or very little. But the area where I currently live have lot of the same pros vi edit listed on why he loves Portland, OR. Nearly doubling the amount of state income tax I would have to pay to live in Portland, OR, wouldn't benefit me. It's the same thing with California. Lovely state. But hate the oppressive state income taxes there and would never live there because of it.

 

[MrSquished]

U mad bro? Maybe you need to go outside and play or something. All your posts are nothing but rants lately. And yes, ANTIFAs only acceptable form of government is no government or some sort of communism, which, ironically, is a state dictatorship where censorship and oppression is the first order of business.

Yes I'm mad. You wackadoos false narratives about Antifa and stolen elections are what is going to destroy this country.

 

[MrSquished]

I've read studies on multiple states that do have an income tax, including Georgia and Ohio, the urban areas subsidize the rural areas with things like infrastructure and more.

Not only are the dumb GQP voters in the rural areas ignorant, they are ungrateful.

 

[soundforbjt]

And yes, ANTIFAs only acceptable form of government is no government or some sort of communism, which, ironically, is a state dictatorship where censorship and oppression is the first order of business.

Got a link to back up your statements?

 

[Vic]

YMMV. Like anything financial, we all have different circumstances with different levels of income. What might be better for you is not necessary better for me. Majority of my income is from investments so where I live have no financial bearing on my annual income other than the amount of state income taxes I pay. The state I currently live in has max tax rate slightly over half the max tax rate of Oregon. And I think even that is too much so I'm considering moving and changing my residency to Tennessee, Florida, Texas, or some other states with no state income tax or very little. But the area where I currently live have lot of the same pros vi edit listed on why he loves Portland, OR. Nearly doubling the amount of state income tax I would have to pay to live in Portland, OR, wouldn't benefit me. It's the same thing with California. Lovely state. But hate the oppressive state income taxes there and would never live there because of it.

So you move across the river to Vancouver, WA, which has no state income tax, and get the best of both worlds.

 

[Vic]

U mad bro? Maybe you need to go outside and play or something. All your posts are nothing but rants lately. And yes, ANTIFAs only acceptable form of government is no government or some sort of communism, which, ironically, is a state dictatorship where censorship and oppression is the first order of business.

Lol at antifa being anarchists and totalitarians at the same time. That boogeyman is just whatever you need them to be, eh?

 

[IronWing]

Thats odd. Where did you come up with me "storming the capital", "Propagating the Q bullshit", wanting fascist minority rule or tying to hack an election? I did not post any of that here, you are just making a presumptive guess that I did and running with it.

Fact is, I did not storm the capital. I dont even know nor care what "Q" is in the political sense (just a character on Star Trek) or any else of that bullshit. Im America, the states have a right to make their own election rules.

Granted there is slight difference between America's version of ANTIFA vs the European version. The American ANTIFA are pure, violent extremists who seek to create anarchy for the sake of anarchy. I dare anyone to go to an ANTIFA rally and try to oppose them. You will get badly beaten with fists, melee weapons, gases and whatever else is available. You will be lucky to be alive because the cops arent going to do a damn thing to stop it.

I know you are European and I know you support ANTIFA because you believe in the romanticized notion of their existence. But that is not what they are here.

Fuck off, traitor.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Got a link to back up your statements?

There are lots of videos on Youtube explaining their history and tactics. Some argue in favor, some against.

Love him or hate him, Andy Ngo has been exposing ANTIFA for some time getting a beating himself, death threats and forced to leave the country. It is a good video:

In America we have a right to protest PEACEFULLY and be as vocal and persistent as you like. But I think we should stand up to thuggery on the left or the right.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Anyway, back to Portland. Anyone know any good places to get a good Philly Cheese-steak?

 

[soundforbjt]

There are lots of videos on Youtube explaining their history and tactics. Some argue in favor, some against.

Love him or hate him, Andy Ngo has been exposing ANTIFA for some time getting a beating himself, death threats and forced to leave the country. It is a good video:

In America we have a right to protest PEACEFULLY and be as vocal and persistent as you like. But I think we should stand up to thuggery on the left or the right.

So, no verifiable links to articles backing your and Andy's feels...got it.

 

[MrSquished]

Andy ngo has shown some dbag protestors here and there. Literally a teeny fraction of the vast majority peaceful protestors. In fact there is more video of cops using unnecessary force on peaceful protestors just in the NY area than there is anything Andy Ngo has ever done.That's it. There is zero showing this mythical Antifa organization that is destroying and burning cities and about to overthrow democracy.

But wait, there is video of Trump, Guiliani and other GQP figures encouraging an assault on the capital in order to stop the peaceful transfer of power of democracy. Including multiple organized groups like the proud boys and oath keepers.

As usual with the lunatic Trumpers , it's all projection and zero substance.

Again fucknuts like the op talking about burned cities is disgraceful. Literally a fire chief had to hold a press conference to dispel the lies of a sitting president because the minds of his followers are melted beyond usefulness to a civilized evolved society

 

[Sunburn74]

Anyway, back to Portland. Anyone know any good places to get a good Philly Cheese-steak?

Hmm there's a place on Milwaukie in Portland called Philadelphia steaks and hoagies that's decent

 

[vi edit]

It's not cheese steak, but for sandwiches I'd suggest Lardo's on Hawthorne. The pho'rench dip is *chef's kiss*

 

[Vic]

In America we have a right to protest PEACEFULLY and be as vocal and persistent as you like. But I think we should stand up to thuggery on the left or the right.

Yes, and we are still eagerly waiting for you to condemn the right-wing extremism, violence, and thuggery that took place in Portland.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

They quit because one of the officers was indicted for using unlawful force on a protester.

And they only stopped being members of the special team which they weren't being paid extra for. They went back to normal patrol and since the special team has no members they may be sent back into the same types of situations without all their special toys.