The value of Portland debate (moved from OT)

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FelixDeCat

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The place I won’t visit out of distaste for the posture suggested is Bend Or. Don’t much care for Molesto Ca. either.

As soon as I retire, I will put those places on the shopping list. When I retire is another thing altogether considering the cost of living nationwide continues to increase during this period of out of control and rampant inflation. :(
 

NWRMidnight

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As soon as I retire, I will put those places on the shopping list. When I retire is another thing altogether considering the cost of living nationwide continues to increase during this period of out of control and rampant inflation. :(
I believe that the prices sky rocketing has more to do with greed than inflation. People are getting rich under the illusion of inflation. Yeah, there is some inflation, but I doubt it's the main cause of the prices increasing so rapidly.
 

IronWing

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We must not dismiss the menace of Antifa. And yes a member of Antifa did commit murder, Michael Forest Reinoehl, after first being charged by the Portland DA on other serious crimes including (which were dropped because the Portland DA supports Antifa). As a result of this decision by the DA, Antifa member Reinoehl went on to murder Aaron J. Danielson:



...And speaking of garage snipers...

Another left wing group of nutbags - BLM has killed or tried to kill police many times. A few years ago a BLM jackass went on a roof top with a sniper rifle and shot 5 cops dead in Dallas on a hot night in July. These cops were there to PROTECT protesters:


Yet, politicians and the media would have you believe that ANTIFA and BLM is just a bunch of harmless, lovable little fuzzballs who get out of hand sometimes destroying personal property, looting and robbing and assaulting and are only doing these things for various social causes.

Finally, I hate the fact that anyone on the right would feel compelled to employ the same tactics the left has including violence that has led to assaults or murder.

As members of civil society we must oppose these groups on the left or right who would seek to do wrong to others or their possessions in order to advance a political or social agenda.
Fuck off, traitor.
 
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cytg111

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We must not dismiss the menace of Antifa. And yes a member of Antifa did commit murder, Michael Forest Reinoehl, after first being charged by the Portland DA on other serious crimes including (which were dropped because the Portland DA supports Antifa). As a result of this decision by the DA, Antifa member Reinoehl went on to murder Aaron J. Danielson:



...And speaking of garage snipers...

Another left wing group of nutbags - BLM has killed or tried to kill police many times. A few years ago a BLM jackass went on a roof top with a sniper rifle and shot 5 cops dead in Dallas on a hot night in July. These cops were there to PROTECT protesters:


Yet, politicians and the media would have you believe that ANTIFA and BLM is just a bunch of harmless, lovable little fuzzballs who get out of hand sometimes destroying personal property, looting and robbing and assaulting and are only doing these things for various social causes.

Finally, I hate the fact that anyone on the right would feel compelled to employ the same tactics the left has including violence that has led to assaults or murder.

As members of civil society we must oppose these groups on the left or right who would seek to do wrong to others or their possessions in order to advance a political or social agenda.

Antifa is something short for Jews right?
 

MrSquished

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The one protestor in Portland that killed a MAGAT we have no idea of his affiliation with any imaginary non-organized ANTIFA group. We also have no idea what happened in that incident, as the State Police extrajudicially executed him later on.

What we do know is organized far right wing members killed and attempted to kill cops in various parts of the country last year. Hell just a train of MAGAT drivers in Texas harrassed and almost ran a Biden/Harris campaign bus off the road. On all levels these people are human filth.

The MAGAT dumbfucks are so brainwashed with fake news they are literally the enemy at this point. They are truly the future brownshirts, Nazis and fascists of America.
 

brycejones

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You're saying white people don't get traffic tickets? LOL
I don't think that is what he saying but there are certainly areas where there are huge discrepancies between the % of stops involving people of color and their % of the population. Suburb near me has 13% minority population but police stops are 50% minority.
 

woolfe9998

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I don't think that is what he saying but there are certainly areas where there are huge discrepancies between the % of stops involving people of color and their % of the population. Suburb near me has 13% minority population but police stops are 50% minority.

I'm white. I've gotten at least 15 traffic tickets in my life, fortunately none for five years now.

Anyway, if they are not giving out traffic tickets in Portland, then blacks won't get any tickets. His post said they are now getting the same treatment as white people. Logically, that suggests he believes white people get no tickets.

And anyway, who really thinks it's a great idea to not enforce traffic laws? Is it safe?
 

MrSquished

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apparently it's too hard for a lot of cops not to be racist. but we can't teach about that and move forward, because that might offend the snowflake conservatives feelings.
 
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IronWing

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You're saying white people don't get traffic tickets? LOL
Of course I've gotten tickets but I've never been ticketed for a cracked windshield, a burned out turn signal, forgetting to turn my headlights on, or barely speeding. Yet they are all minor traffic violations that minorities do get stopped for.
 

woolfe9998

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Some additional perspective on the Portland policy of not enforcing traffic tickets.


Apparently equity is only one of the reasons. The other is that they defunded their police and they are shorthanded so they don't really have the personnel for traffic enforcement...
 
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I'm white. I've gotten at least 15 traffic tickets in my life, fortunately none for five years now.

Anyway, if they are not giving out traffic tickets in Portland, then blacks won't get any tickets. His post said they are now getting the same treatment as white people. Logically, that suggests he believes white people get no tickets.

And anyway, who really thinks it's a great idea to not enforce traffic laws? Is it safe?

OH YEAH?! Well, if you were black you would have had double that! As based on my empirical evidence of... fiction.


And how dare you ask sane and rational questions about keeping people safe. The nerve of you....
 

woolfe9998

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Of course I've gotten tickets but I've never been ticketed for a cracked windshield, a burned out turn signal, forgetting to turn my headlights on, or barely speeding. Yet they are all minor traffic violations that minorities do get stopped for.

Yeah, I've been ticketed for all those things you listed, except "barely speeding." I was also ticketed once for wearing my seatbelt wrong (under arm).
 

dank69

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You're saying white people don't get traffic tickets? LOL
White people get tickets* while POC get treated like 2nd class citizens at best or murdered on camera while half of America still denies it was murder.

*sometimes
 
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White people get tickets* while POC get treated like 2nd class citizens at best or murdered on camera while half of America still denies it was murder.

*sometimes

White people get everything you stated as well - it just doesn't get covered in your indoctrinated news network that chooses what stories to cover based on how butt-hurt you will get.

That and they want to make sure the peasantry class continues to fight amongst the middle-class - so that you are less likely to look up and see the giant dick of the top 0.1% raining down on you as you continue to peddle their laughable narratives that keep you divided instead of united.

They got you guys by the balls, lol.





 

dank69

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White people get everything you stated as well - it just doesn't get covered in your indoctrinated news network that chooses what stories to cover based on how butt-hurt you will get.

That and they want to make sure the peasantry class continues to fight amongst the middle-class - so that you are less likely to look up and see the giant dick of the top 0.1% raining down on you as you continue to peddle their laughable narratives that keep you divided instead of united.

They got you guys by the balls, lol.





Traffic stops, motherfucker. Only example 2 is relevant and just because it happens once in a while doesn't mean when it happens to POC constantly it isn't a racism issue we need to address.
 

MrSquished

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White people get everything you stated as well - it just doesn't get covered in your indoctrinated news network that chooses what stories to cover based on how butt-hurt you will get.

That and they want to make sure the peasantry class continues to fight amongst the middle-class - so that you are less likely to look up and see the giant dick of the top 0.1% raining down on you as you continue to peddle their laughable narratives that keep you divided instead of united.

They got you guys by the balls, lol.






Of course white people can get fucked over by the police. No shit, white people are by far the largest population segment in this country. It's the disparity and racial profiling that happens to minorities. But that fucks with your white grievance narrative so you ignore things like maths and statistics and numbers. As your own very conservative Senator Tim Scott of the GQP said, he is highly aware of he and his black friends being profiled by the popo:

 
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Vic

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Some additional perspective on the Portland policy of not enforcing traffic tickets.


Apparently equity is only one of the reasons. The other is that they defunded their police and they are shorthanded so they don't really have the personnel for traffic enforcement...
As a lifelong Portland resident, I can tell you that the real reason is because the PPB is more concerned about right-wing political virtue signaling than they are about upholding the law and protecting the city's citizenry.
This BS of theirs has been going on for years. The police union is staunchly Republican with leadership that resides outside the city limits, and they are constantly throwing temper tantrums because they refuse to accept the city's elected leadership.

Oh, and if the police are underfunded, that's because of their obscenely bloated pension and compensation packages. You literally would not believe how much the tax-paying citizens are forced to pay these clowns so they can play politics instead of uphold their duty to protect and serve.
 

woolfe9998

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As a lifelong Portland resident, I can tell you that the real reason is because the PPB is more concerned about right-wing political virtue signaling than they are about upholding the law and protecting the city's citizenry.
This BS of theirs has been going on for years. The police union is staunchly Republican with leadership that resides outside the city limits, and they are constantly throwing temper tantrums because they refuse to accept the city's elected leadership.

Oh, and if the police are underfunded, that's because of their obscenely bloated pension and compensation packages. You literally would not believe how much the tax-paying citizens are forced to pay these clowns so they can play politics instead of uphold their duty to protect and serve.

Article says they cut $15 million from the police budget in a political effort to "defund the police" and another $11 million due to COVID related budgetary problems. So what you describe above isn't necessarily the only reason.
 

Vic

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OH YEAH?! Well, if you were black you would have had double that! As based on my empirical evidence of... fiction.


And how dare you ask sane and rational questions about keeping people safe. The nerve of you....

Hey dickless fucktard, I actually live here, and I can tell you with certainty that the last thing the PPB cares about is keeping the people safe. All they really care about is ripping off the taxpayers by double-dipping their pensions before they actually retire and virtue signaling to useful idiots like you so you help them to keep getting away with the first one.
But wait, I almost forgot... you're the so-called "libertarian" who actually wants to pay more in taxes.
 
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Vic

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Article says they cut $15 million from the police budget in a political effort to "defund the police" and another $11 million due to COVID related budgetary problems. So what you describe above isn't necessarily the only reason.
I didn't say it was the only reason, I said it was the real reason. PPB wouldn't have any budgetary problems to begin with if the average officer compensation package wasn't $200k+/yr with full lifetime retirement benefits. FFS, the fire and police pension fund is literally the city's biggest single expense. And what do the good people of Portland get for their money? A police that would rather play politics than do their jobs.
So fuck 'em. As many the right-winger on these forums has told us, law-abiding gun-owning citizens don't need the police anyway. ;)