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roughsleeper

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What I really need is the smoothest relationship at 3200. No need to go higher..

2GB kit (1GBx2)

BL2KIT12864AA1065 DDR2 PC2-8500 ? 5-5-5-15 ? Unbuffered ? NON-ECC ? DDR2-1066 ? 2.2V ? 128Meg x 64

Bang on the nail - 5-5-5-15...2.2v...

So with the below settings - am I better or worse? This is where the free beer starts to be mentioned for assistance for "The Amazing Nuclear Snail Team".

Auto
8X
ENABLE
400 (FSB)
AUTO
DISABLE
2.5 (Board defaults to 1.8 so +0.3 = the specified 2.2)
1000
OPTION 1
EXTREME
MANUAL
5
6 Bruce wants to Know if this is Higher or Lower...
6 ........and bully's special prize....
18 ...a speedboat....or a canoe?
3
3
6
42
AUTO
AUTO
AUTO
MANUAL
+0.3V
NORMAL
NORMAL
NORMAL
1.41250V I've read this is OK for a 6750...
1.32500V I have no Idea what this is or how to change it.

I will await your advice and maybe make this 5-5-5-15 the last change, then Orthos it until tomorrow night and post again.

Again - Thanks for the tips guys - I start on a project Monday and the system being stable is paramount. Superb Forum.

Core Temp says Tjunction is at 85C which is right apparently.
Core 0 - 19-20 - idle
Core 1 - 19-20

Changed to 5-5-5-15 and ran 3DMark - 10103 - no difference.
Off to bed - running Orthos and load temps on both cores 35-39 after 3 tests.

One last request - what temps should I be really worried about?

Thanks again - will post results tomorrow.
 

mrfatboy

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Originally posted by: roughsleeper
CPU-Z : http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=memyh2.png]
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What I really need is the smoothest relationship at 3200. No need to go higher..

2GB kit (1GBx2)

BL2KIT12864AA1065 DDR2 PC2-8500 ? 5-5-5-15 ? Unbuffered ? NON-ECC ? DDR2-1066 ? 2.2V ? 128Meg x 64

Bang on the nail - 5-5-5-15...2.2v...

So with the below settings - am I better or worse? This is where the free beer starts to be mentioned for assistance for "The Amazing Nuclear Snail Team".

Auto
8X
ENABLE
400 (FSB)
AUTO
DISABLE
2.5 (Board defaults to 1.8 so +0.3 = the specified 2.2)
1000
OPTION 1
EXTREME
MANUAL
5
6 Bruce wants to Know if this is Higher or Lower...
6 ........and bully's special prize....
18 ...a speedboat....or a canoe?
3
3
6
42
AUTO
AUTO
AUTO
MANUAL
+0.3V
NORMAL
NORMAL
NORMAL
1.41250V I've read this is OK for a 6750...
1.32500V I have no Idea what this is or how to change it.

I will await your advice and maybe make this 5-5-5-15 the last change, then Orthos it until tomorrow night and post again.

Again - Thanks for the tips guys - I start on a project Monday and the system being stable is paramount. Superb Forum.

Core Temp says Tjunction is at 85C which is right apparently.
Core 0 - 19-20 - idle
Core 1 - 19-20

Changed to 5-5-5-15 and ran 3DMark - 10103 - no difference.
Off to bed - running Orthos and load temps on both cores 35-39 after 3 tests.

One last request - what temps should I be really worried about?

Thanks again - will post results tomorrow.


Since "the snail" has probably gone to bed or is as a pub i will try to help :) California time has it's advantages :)


1) use Coretemp 0.95.4. Your current temps are 15C below. get that version and use it.
2) Even if you use it, your core temp 20+15 =35 are like mine. Good
3) Set your memory divider to 2 (which is 1:1)
4) Set your memory to 5-5-5-15
5) Try to set your memory overvoltage to 0 (1.8 total. your memory might want 2.2 but if you can get away with 1.8 you are better off. let heat. yadda yadda yadda
6) Set your overclock to 400 x 8 (3.2)
7) set your cpu voltage to 1.325 (or whatever is stock for your chip) It looks like you are overvolting when you don't have to. remember, more volts, more heat. Only use it if you need it.

#2 is the only thing i'm not clear about because i dont' use 8500 ram. #2 ia certainly a super way to go but is it super duper? 8500 seem to be overkill with this board especially with that great cruicial ram. ddr 800 would be perfect for your 3.2 and actually would take you to 3.6 if you were lucky.

I'm here if you need more info. I would post a pic of my bios buy i'm too lazy. I wish I was in a pub now :)

 

Serj

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Does anyone have a "p35c for dummies" manual/instruction sources, the one included is rather limited. I want to know what connection is for, etc... also can I install a zalman 9700 led, which has 3 pin power connector, to the 4 pin on the board?
Its my 1st time building one from scratch and i just want to make sure everything goes well.
Thanks
 

mrfatboy

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Originally posted by: Serj
Does anyone have a "p35c for dummies" manual/instruction sources, the one included is rather limited. I want to know what connection is for, etc... also can I install a zalman 9700 led, which has 3 pin power connector, to the 4 pin on the board?
Its my 1st time building one from scratch and i just want to make sure everything goes well.
Thanks


"p35C for dummings" ?. I thought this thread was it :) This is where I get all my info :) All I have is the manual that it came with the board and these types of forums.

Yes, you can connect a 3 pin fan power connect to the a 4 pin power supply on the board. It will be "keyed" a certain way. You'll see when you do it.
 

5t3v0

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Originally posted by: mrfatboy
Since "the snail" has probably gone to bed or is as a pub i will try to help :) California time has it's advantages :)

Spot on mate. It was bed this time though. Pub on school nights only ;)

I thought I read somewhere that you can squeeze a bit more performance running the memory at a higher frequency than the cpu. Worth experimenting with as he has the DDR2-1066. I agree though that DDR2-800 is the perfect choice for this board, esp at that overclock. If running 1:1, I would set the timings down to 4-4-4-12 & run some memtest & orthos to see if they are stable. You can go to +0.4v on the DRAM voltage if you need to, although as MrFB says, the lower you can get away with, the better.

roughsleeper - your temps are fine although MrFB is right again when he says you need to add 15C onto the core temps in that version of coretemp. Our chip has a tjunction of 100C.

I would go for 3.6GHz if I were you. The board and the cpu can take it np. I've been experimenting with the x6 cpu multiplier with the same 450MHz cpu clock (cpu = 2.7GHz) & can run orthos stably as low as 1.10625v vcore (BIOS setting). That's incredible performance. I'm going to have a bash with rmclock & see if I can have it switch to a lower power state when idling.

Well, summer has finally arrived in Scotland so I'm off to a barbeque now :beer:
 

SniperDaws

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Originally posted by: jimmandyuk
Thank you for your help, the components come on Wednesday from E-buyer, I have noted the comments on Citylink, I have a positive feeling but also comfortable I could come back for further help, but I will check to see if the questions have already been asked.........Jim



please please please mate, open the motherboard box and check the Northbridge heatsink is seated correctly while the delivery guy is stood watching just to make sure.
 

Wurmer

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Ok, I have tried my first OC and I need a little here. When I start my rig it displays a 9 x 400 for a 3.6 Ghz frenquency which is what I set it to but when running CPU-Z I am getting a reading of 6 x 400 which would represent an Under Clock of sort. I don't know if it's right but I read that it might have to do with Intel Speedsteep and that is should be disabled. Anyways, I have looked up in the BIOS and didn't find any setting reassembling that. If it's in there, under what tab/denomination should I be looking for ?
 

5t3v0

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You are right, this is speedstep's doing. If you have not increased the cpu voltage then you can safely leave this on. Its only when you have increased voltage that it needs to be disabled. This is because when the cpu usage decreases, speedstep will lower the multiplier & cpu voltage to save power. When cpu usage increases again, the multiplier & voltage are returned to their default values. Thus if you have used a higher voltage than default, the pc will most likely lock up. I recommend you leave this on if you are on default vcore. If you need to disable it, the setting is the "CPU EIST Function" in the "Advanced BIOS Features" screen.

Edit. Well it looks like I might have been talking pants again. I think my reasoning above might be based on AMD's cool 'n' quiet or some mince written in another forum. Anyway, rather than give you secondhand or wrong advice, I'd thought I'd try enabling the EIST function with my over-volted vcore to see what happens. And presto, IT WORKS!

When the system idles, speedstep lowers the multiplier to x6 and the vcore to 1.063v (according to cpu-z). When I fire up an orthos test, the multiplier goes back to x8 and the vcore up to 1.376v. This is the same vcore reading when the EIST function is disabled. Thus it's not setting the cpu default as I suggested above, but the manually set value in the BIOS.

Given that that value is set to 1.45v in the BIOS, 1.376 is a big vdroop, not that it matters I suppose if its stable.
 

5t3v0

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Originally posted by: SilentBobSpeaks
Anyone adjusting Northbridge/Southbridge voltage for this board??

Yes, +0.1v on the NB. Cant remember at what freq I needed that.

Edit: Just realised that I'm talking pish. I did have this set to +0.1v but it looks like I've unset some point along the way & it hasn't been complaining.

Edit2: Just failed orthos after an hour where as it used to be stable. Raising NB by 0.1v again & trying again.
 

5t3v0

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These might be hidden settings, cant remember. Press CTRL-F1 at the BIOS start page & go into the M.I.T. page & they'll be at the bottom. There's no setting for SB but NB, FSB & PCI-e can be changed.

Edit. NB is called (G)MCH OverVoltage Control
 

mrfatboy

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Originally posted by: 5t3v0
These might be hidden settings, cant remember. Press CTRL-F1 at the BIOS start page & go into the M.I.T. page & they'll be at the bottom. There's no setting for SB but NB, FSB & PCI-e can be changed.

Edit. NB is called (G)MCH OverVoltage Control



thanks. adding .1v to the NB overvoltage definately made my system rock stable at 3.6. :) I just ran 3dmark 06 and i'm up to 11510. I also boosted my vid card to (640/1050).

Check out my new sig numbers.
 

5t3v0

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Me too. Since re-instating NB voltage to +0.1v, I'm running 5.5 hours of Orthos. Contemplating fixing a 40mm fan to the NB heatsink but really could do without more fan noise. It's scorching hot to touch.

That's a nice 3dmark06 score BTW. Mine was 10329. Must be down to the difference in gddr size & your better gfx over clock. I'm going to have another go at that. Not just now though- off back to bed for me.
 

mrfatboy

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Originally posted by: 5t3v0
Me too. Since re-instating NB voltage to +0.1v, I'm running 5.5 hours of Orthos. Contemplating fixing a 40mm fan to the NB heatsink but really could do without more fan noise. It's scorching hot to touch.

That's a nice 3dmark06 score BTW. Mine was 10329. Must be down to the difference in gddr size & your better gfx over clock. I'm going to have another go at that. Not just now though- off back to bed for me.



I jinxed myself. Now Orthos is failing in 30 minutes. :( What do you think I should change next? I guess I could put more voltage into the chip. :( I'll try 1.475 and see what happens.
 

5t3v0

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So did I! Orthos failed after 7hours 40 mins :( Don't go adding a full 0.025v in one go though. Add the minimum increment & retest. Its time consuming I know. There's also the FSB voltage which might need to go another notch higher. I cant see how raising the PCI-E voltage will help though. Plus there's lots of things on that bus. Anyone know if it helps?

Edit: I've upped the FSB voltage by 0.1v & am re-testing with orthos. I was sure this overclock was stable a couple of weeks ago when I did it.
 

5t3v0

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I've been asked to share my overclocking methods on this board so here goes. First of all though, I suggest reading this excellent guide by graysky.

There's lots of ways to overclock & I'm not saying mine is the best, it's just the way I did it.

If copying this I recommend the following:
1. System has DRR2-800 RAM or better to achieve 1:1 synchronisation with CPU
2. Stock CPU cooler is replaced with a better 3rd-party cooler
3. MB heatsink is re-set using Arctic Silver 5

1. Tools & setup
The setup & tools I used were as follows:
i. Clean install of Windows Vista 32-bit
ii. Memtest86 floppy boot disk (CD-ROM boot image is also available)
iii. cpu-z
iv. Coretemp 0.95.4 beta (this is the only version corrected for the G0 CPUs)
v. Speedfan
vi. Orthos

2. My goal
I personally think its good have a goal in mind when starting these things & mine was to reach at least 3.2GHz (8x400) with the RAM running 1:1 with the CPU. The reason I set this was that it would fully utilise the RAM capability as there's nothing worse that under clocking components in my book. This target overclock also seemed achievable & fairly conservative compared to other experiences so if I managed to get anything higher, it would be a bonus. This seemed better than aiming too high & ending up disappointed.

3. BIOS settings
These are my settings based on recommendations in the myriad forums out there. I've already posted this a couple of times so apologies for the repetition.

Advanced BIOS Features
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First Boot Device = Floppy (use CDROM if using the Memtest86 boot CD-ROM)
Second Boot Device = Harddisk
CPU Hyper Threading = Disabled
Limit CPUID Max to 3 = Disabled
No Execute Memory Protect = Disabled (Note: disabling is a security risk)
CPU Enhanced Halt (CIE) = Disabled
CPU Thermal Monitor 2 (TM2) = Disabled
CPU EIST Function = Disabled (aka SpeedStep. This can be re-enabled later if desired)
Virtualization Technology = Disabled

MB Intelligent Tweaker - press CTRL-F1 before going into this screen to bring up extra options
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Robust Graphics Booster = Auto
CPU Host Clock Control = Enabled
CPU Host Frequency (MHz) = 333 (set 266 for 1066 FSB CPUs)
PCI Express Frequency = 100
C.I.A.2 = Disabled
Performance Enhance = Standard
System Memory Multiplier = 2.00
High Speed RAM DLL Settings = Option 1 (I don't think this does anything when manual timings are set)
DRAM Timing Selectable = Manual
System Voltage Control = Manual

I also set the appropriate RAM timings manually e.g. 4-4-4-12 but left all voltages at default.

4. Overclocking
First off, I went straight in and set the CPU clock to the target 400MHz (in the BIOS MB Intelligent Tweaker screen, set CPU Host Frequency = 400). This isn't the conventional way to overclock I know but it saves a heck of a lot of time! At this stage all my voltages were still left at default.

First stability test was with Memtest86 so I rebooted to the Memtest floppy & ran 1 pass of all tests. This failed on test 7.

Given the RAM was still on default voltage (1.8v on this board) and my RAM is rated 2.1v on the 4-4-4-12 timings, I needed to eliminate the possibility that the RAM was holding things back. I upped the voltage by 0.1v (in the BIOS MB Intelligent Tweaker screen, remembering to press CTRL-F1 first, set DDR2/DDR3 Overvoltage Control = +0.1) and, for the expedience of time, I just re-ran test 7 again (press C when Memtest starts to bring up the configuration options, 3 to select a test, 7 for the test, 0 to continue). I repeated this 3 times (to reach +0.3v) before test 7 passed. I then ran half a dozen loops of all tests to be sure the RAM was stable.

Next I increased the CPU clock in 10MHz steps. Each time I booted into Memtest first & ran 1 loop of all tests to check for RAM stability. If this fails you can try another notch on the DDR voltage but be wary abut going above 2.2v (+0.4v).

If RAM was stable, I booted into Windows. If Windows booted I returned to BIOS and added another 10MHz until Windows no longer booted (I can't remember at what frequency this first happened). At this point I started increasing the CPU voltage (CPU Voltage Control in the BIOS MB Intelligent Tweaker screen) by the minimum increment each time (0.00625v) until Windows would boot. I continued doing this until I reached 450MHz. I stopped here for no other reason than it was a nice round number!

Next I stability tested the overclock using Orthos (min 10 hours) while monitoring temperatures with Coretemp and Speedfan (note that the core temp on Speedfan is 15C below what it should be). Each time the test failed I restarted & increased CPU voltage by the minimum amount. I eventually reached stability (14 hours of Orthos) with 1.4625v (1.392v cpu-z load reading).

When raising the CPU voltage it's advisable not too get carried away so set your self an upper limit and don't go beyond it. A lot of people are saying 1.5v is the maximum you should go on air cooling although this is quite high & your temps may be too hot depending on the cooler you have. My personal preference would be to stay on or below 1.45v but I'm already now above that. However, given the large vdroop on this board, I'm not too concerned as long as the temps are reasonable.

Sometimes it can help the CPU overclock by raising the northbridge (MCH) and FSB voltages by 0.1v-0.2v (in the BIOS MB Intelligent Tweaker screen, these are (G)MCH OverVoltage Control and FSB OverVoltage Control). Given the passive cooling on the chipset, I'd use this as a last resort.

Peak load temps are 56C tcase and 67C core, while typical load temps are 2C lower. They're high, but not excessive by any means.

5. Final tweaks
I have re-enabled SpeedStep (CPU EIST Function = Enabled) for the power saving benefits and to protect my CPU from running overclocked & overvolted 24x7. However, while it has been dropping to a x6 multiplier (2.7GHz CPU speed), CPU voltage has not reduced. If anyone has any advice on this I'd be glad to hear it.

If you're worried about temps, you could try enabling the CPU Thermal Monitor but I've no idea how well this works when overclocked. For safety, I have set the CPU Warning Temperature in the BIOS PC Health Status screen to 60C although I'm pleased to say that this has never been activated.

For increased security, you can re-enable the No Execute function (No Execute Memory Protect = Enabled) if you wish. I have actually disabled this in BCDEDIT as well as the BIOS as I don't like the idea of Windows deciding what's safe to execute or not.


I hope this helps some of you.

5t3v0


 

mrfatboy

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Nice write up on how to overclock this board. Tomorrow when somebody asks how to overclock this board you can now say "look 5 posts up" :)

I'm currenlty at 8h 15m on Orthos at 1.475. I jumped up to that number because I am impatient and that is a number I have seen people use alot especially in the extreme OC formun. If it turns out it's stable I will go turn the voltage down until it fails.

p.s.

5t3v0, jump on over to the video card formun and post your lastest VC overclock. I got a thread there.

8800gts OC thread
 

5t3v0

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Good luck with the testing. Orthos just failed on me again after 6hrs 5 mins. I'm going to start upping the vcore a bit although without the Tuniq cooler, I'm going be more limited than you as to how high I go.

I've been seeing on some sites that guys have been adding +0.2v on the MCH & FSB voltage. Dont know if I'm too keen on going that high.

I'll check out the vid card thread but I cant do any more experimenting until I get this CPU stable again :(

Edit: Now EIST wont lower the vcore like it was yesterday. Very frustrating.
 

mrfatboy

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Update:


Orthos 9:30 @ 3.6 so far

Vcore 1.475
mch +.1V
mem +.4 (2.2v)


temps:

NB 40C
cpu 45C
Core 0 56C
Core 1 56C
GPU 53C
 

5t3v0

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No sure, some kind of automated BIOS GPU/GDDR overclocking tool I believe. Not something you want turned on for sure if you software overclock your gfx card. There is no disable option (sorry for the confusion in my post). From what I've read though, "Auto" is the do nothing option, which is what mine is set to.
 

SniperDaws

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Ahhh ok i thought i was missing an option then, hopfully ill be ordering a Tuniq Tower on tuesday form yoyotech £32 + Delivery (no doubt the bastards in the green and and yellow vans)
 

MetalSlugX

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Hey all. I've been following this thread for some time now. I'm about to buy this board and am wondering if a thermal right ultima 90 will fit above the chipset. The clearance of the ultima 90 is 39.7 mm. If anyone could measure the height of theirs I will be eternally thankful.