The Unofficial ASUS P5N-E SLI 650i Board Thread

[idiotekniQues]

thanks. well zipzoom is rma'ing it with no restocking fee - you can have the board for cost + shipping and insurance if you really want it.

since my gf and i do a lot of photography that means a lot to us, the integrity of our data is very important. i do backup on two drives and then some to optical. im looking into building a file server with my old rig - currently i was using sync toy to sync drives but i was going to do a RAID1 setup with this rig but RAID has been another area of weakness for nforce chipsets.

id rather have a mobo that just crashes one day than one that may or may not have a higher chance of corrupting my files, even if its just a few of them. to me, after learning of nVidia's track record even though it seems the 650i is a step in the right direction for that, i am still out.

i want to OC, if i didnt i would have bought slightly different gear. i dont want a crazy OC, i just really wanted something like 3ghz with decent timings, otherwise why by ocz pc 6400 platinum rev. 2?


with the ram voltage at the 2.25v setting i was doing 1t stable at close to 400mhz FSB so ill miss that. the fix for the failed write delay was to goto device manager and the sata/ide controller tab, click properties for each one and make sure native command queing was unchecked then reboot.

i realize that in this business that these products are so complex and companies are in many cases more concerned with bottom line so that these issues get by QC and that as home builders we just have to deal with it to some level. i also realize that no matter where i go, there will be an issue of some kind. so if it was any other issue BUT data corruption i could care less. cold boots OK, sound crackling on onboard sound OK, etc. it is the area in which this specific flaw is where i care the most.

 

[Nevets Drassel]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
thanks. well zipzoom is rma'ing it with no restocking fee - you can have the board for cost + shipping and insurance if you really want it.

since my gf and i do a lot of photography that means a lot to us, the integrity of our data is very important. i do backup on two drives and then some to optical. im looking into building a file server with my old rig - currently i was using sync toy to sync drives but i was going to do a RAID1 setup with this rig but RAID has been another area of weakness for nforce chipsets.

id rather have a mobo that just crashes one day than one that may or may not have a higher chance of corrupting my files, even if its just a few of them. to me, after learning of nVidia's track record even though it seems the 650i is a step in the right direction for that, i am still out.

I can sympathize with you about your data. I have lost of stuff that I can not afford to loose. Thats is why its on my Laptop, my family's computer, my AMD computer, my Intel computer and last but not least I have a hard backup copy. Do yourself a favor and find an online server storage company that will satisfy your needs for safety. That is the only way to be sure electronicaly and even that is not a 100% (well, a meteor could destroy the five storage sites around the globe at the same time - well, it could)...
i want to OC, if i didnt i would have bought slightly different gear. i dont want a crazy OC, i just really wanted something like 3ghz with decent timings, otherwise why by ocz pc 6400 platinum rev. 2?


with the ram voltage at the 2.25v setting i was doing 1t stable at close to 400mhz FSB so ill miss that. the fix for the failed write delay was to goto device manager and the sata/ide controller tab, click properties for each one and make sure native command queing was unchecked then reboot.

i realize that in this business that these products are so complex and companies are in many cases more concerned with bottom line so that these issues get by QC and that as home builders we just have to deal with it to some level. i also realize that no matter where i go, there will be an issue of some kind. so if it was any other issue BUT data corruption i could care less. cold boots OK, sound crackling on onboard sound OK, etc. it is the area in which this specific flaw is where i care the most.

 

[skippymchaggis]

hi there, long time lurker, first time poster...

i'm fairly new to the build your own system thing. these are the 2nd and 3rd boxes i've built. the first has run unOC'ed for 4 years and has been a tank, more stable than anything i've ever seen prepacked. an old asus board, kingston ram, WD hard drives, and an asus gfx card (nvidia FX 5xxx chipset).

i just bought 2 of these to use in building my wife and i new his and hers systems. right now i'm running everything stock. everything seems fairly stable. fyi, we're using Antex P180B cases, with 650watt Antec Truepower Trio PSU's.

there are a couple quirks tho.

my wife keeps getting intermittant BSOD's. two types so far, an 0x00000077 and an 0x000000f4. (i can get the rest of the digits after i rest from typing...)

and i am having some graphics glitches, but i think it's related to the game code getting sloppy on the last patch. i've put speedfan and cpu-z on both machines. everything seems to be running in what you guys have posted as normal temps and speeds, although i'm not sure where to plug in some of the fans to get readings from the other slots on speedfan, right now they're chained off the psu running at constant speed and not being controlled by the board, or psu.

my wife's box did have some off grounding issues on it's first day, it would turn off the minute my wife touched the box. the next morning we moved it to the kitchen counter and looked at some stuff, turned an led plug around and it's been fine ever since.

her bsod's are the annoying thing we're not sure how to fix. and i don't know how to diagnose anything else. she's run memtests on the ram, it's clean. she's got a clean HD, no virii present anywhere. she's got a stock setup. we can't figure out how to disable system cacheing in the bios to test if the board is bad (which she found as a suggestion somewhere (is this worth doing or even possible?).

anyone have any thoughts?

thanks in advance,
skip

 

[idiotekniQues]

TO SKIP:

try this, i took this and changed it a bit word wise from where i found it. it helped me out.

"My Computer -> Properties -> Hardware -> Device Manager
Expand +IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers
Select -NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA controller
Right click and select properties

Under Primary Channel or Secondary Channel you will see some tabs that say primary/secondary etc, find your western digital drive and you will see these four checkboxes on the same tab:

X ? Let BIOS select transfer mode
X ? Enable read caching
X ? Enable write caching
X ? Enable command queuing

UNSELECT the command queuing option for your drive. click ok and get out of all the screens. it will ask for a reboot. go ahead and click ok.

Verify your settings after reboot make sure it is unchecked.

 

[Nevets Drassel]

Originally posted by: skippymchaggis
hi there, long time lurker, first time poster...

i'm fairly new to the build your own system thing. these are the 2nd and 3rd boxes i've built. the first has run unOC'ed for 4 years and has been a tank, more stable than anything i've ever seen prepacked. an old asus board, kingston ram, WD hard drives, and an asus gfx card (nvidia FX 5xxx chipset).

i just bought 2 of these to use in building my wife and i new his and hers systems. right now i'm running everything stock. everything seems fairly stable. fyi, we're using Antex P180B cases, with 650watt Antec Truepower Trio PSU's.

there are a couple quirks tho.

my wife keeps getting intermittant BSOD's. two types so far, an 0x00000077 and an 0x000000f4. (i can get the rest of the digits after i rest from typing...)

and i am having some graphics glitches, but i think it's related to the game code getting sloppy on the last patch. i've put speedfan and cpu-z on both machines. everything seems to be running in what you guys have posted as normal temps and speeds, although i'm not sure where to plug in some of the fans to get readings from the other slots on speedfan, right now they're chained off the psu running at constant speed and not being controlled by the board, or psu.

my wife's box did have some off grounding issues on it's first day, it would turn off the minute my wife touched the box. the next morning we moved it to the kitchen counter and looked at some stuff, turned an led plug around and it's been fine ever since.

her bsod's are the annoying thing we're not sure how to fix. and i don't know how to diagnose anything else. she's run memtests on the ram, it's clean. she's got a clean HD, no virii present anywhere. she's got a stock setup. we can't figure out how to disable system cacheing in the bios to test if the board is bad (which she found as a suggestion somewhere (is this worth doing or even possible?).

anyone have any thoughts?

thanks in advance,
skip

It could be a temp issue. Make sure that the CPU heatsink and fan are making good contact with the chip. Get MEMTEST86+ and test your ram overnight to make sure that the RAM is not the problem. Get ORTHOS and stress test the CPU to see if it heats up to much. Use ASUS PC probe to check the temps as well as SPEEDFAN.

Take one thing out at a time to troubleshoot. ie., lower the memory to DDR667 amd test of you regain some stability. If not, lower the CPU multiplier to 7 and test again. This way you can eliminate if it is the CPU and/or memory causing problems.

 

[adder1971]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
TO SKIP:

try this, i took this and changed it a bit word wise from where i found it. it helped me out.

"My Computer -> Properties -> Hardware -> Device Manager
Expand +IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers
Select -NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA controller
Right click and select properties

Under Primary Channel or Secondary Channel you will see some tabs that say primary/secondary etc, find your western digital drive and you will see these four checkboxes on the same tab:

X ? Let BIOS select transfer mode
X ? Enable read caching
X ? Enable write caching
X ? Enable command queuing

UNSELECT the command queuing option for your drive. click ok and get out of all the screens. it will ask for a reboot. go ahead and click ok.

Verify your settings after reboot make sure it is unchecked.

FYI my raid has that off by default. pretty sure my drives are old enough that they don't support that anyways. anyone else running with that enabled?

 

[adder1971]

info from MsLive 0x00000077

"View the System Log in Event Viewer for additional error messages that help you determine the device that is causing the error.
? Bad block. Stop 0x77 is caused by a bad block in a paging file, or a disk controller error, or in extremely rare cases it is caused when non-paged pool resources are unavailable.
? If the first and second parameters are 0, then the stack signature was not found in the kernel stack. The cause of this issue is defective hardware. If the I/O status is C0000185 and the paging file is on a SCSI-based hard disk, you should verify the disk cabling and SCSI termination.
? If the I/O status code is 0xC000009C or 0xC000016A, this normally indicates that the data could not be read from the disk due to a bad block.
? If you can restart your computer after the error message, Autochk runs automatically and tries to map out the bad sector. If for some reason Autochk does not scan the hard disk for errors, manually start the disk scanner. If your computer is formatted with the NTFS file system, run Chkdsk /f /r on the system partition. You must restart your computer before the disk scan begins. If you cannot start your computer due to this issue, use the Command Console and run Chkdsk /r.
? Defective or unreliable random access memory (RAM) is another common cause of this issue.
? Verify that all the adapter cards in your computer are properly seated.
? Ensure that all adapter card contacts are clean.
? Disable system caching in the BIOS to see if this resolves the error.
? If this does not resolve the issue, your computer mainboard (motherboard) may be damaged."

 

[adder1971]

0x000000F4 info can be found here

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330100

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: adder1971

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
TO SKIP:

try this, i took this and changed it a bit word wise from where i found it. it helped me out.

"My Computer -> Properties -> Hardware -> Device Manager
Expand +IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers
Select -NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA controller
Right click and select properties

Under Primary Channel or Secondary Channel you will see some tabs that say primary/secondary etc, find your western digital drive and you will see these four checkboxes on the same tab:

X ? Let BIOS select transfer mode
X ? Enable read caching
X ? Enable write caching
X ? Enable command queuing

UNSELECT the command queuing option for your drive. click ok and get out of all the screens. it will ask for a reboot. go ahead and click ok.

Verify your settings after reboot make sure it is unchecked.

FYI my raid has that off by default. pretty sure my drives are old enough that they don't support that anyways. anyone else running with that enabled?

i got similar errors as that with the same solutions from microsoft you posted. i tried them all. waste of time in my case and for others. my hard drives were all mostly new, it was happening with all of them and i didnt think it was even possible that all 3 were defective but i checkdisked them all. along with memtested my RAM. luckily i found that post from the guy on the nvidia forums and that solved my issues.

fyi it didnt only happen with large file transfers, it just happend with a lot of multitasking when windows started offering the drive the queing options and the drive couldnt handle it so it just bsod'd or eventually started just rebooting to black screen. i also have a brand new 16gb wd320 like the guy having issues, as well as a 400gb plus an 8gb cache 200gb and an older ide 250gb.

i think he should try this fix and if it doesnt work then get his hands dirty inside the case. sounds like he was thorough when he built them.

 

[adder1971]

just putting more info out there if your solution did not work. there does seem to be previous issues with nforce and command queuing. i have owned 3 thus far and have never experienced it. a good assumption for why could easily be because my drives have never supported it.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: adder1971
just putting more info out there if your solution did not work. there does seem to be previous issues with nforce and command queuing. i have owned 3 thus far and have never experienced it. a good assumption for why could easily be because my drives have never supported it.

oh of course. i think he shoudl get all the options. i thought you meant that it really wasnt that issue since it disabled that feature. sorry, my bad. i misunderstood your post. been a long day, first day of classes last semester ever and it feels like forever already lol

 

[adder1971]

yeah i hear that. i can't remember it anymore but i hear ya, no i think you may be on to something there. its a good suggestion for anyone having issues like that may want to disable the command queuing. performance hit seems minimal at best so why take a chance. kind of like disabling all the cpu stuff when trying to overclock. take out as many chances of failure as possible. well i'm off, hold down the fort. lol

 

[krime]

Hi Guys, I've been doing research for a while on what system I should build spending minimal money and using parts I have. Tomorrow all my parts will be here and I will be building this beast. I am looking forward to getting into over clocking and have a few questions.

1)Over clocking: where should I start? Are there any good guides you can link to me?
2)Stability: Are there any programs I can run to test my comps stability after finding a good clock speed?
3)Needed extras: Is there anything that I should add to my system to increase the safety, stability and speed of my computer? (Fans, Stronger Power Supply, Raid Controller?)
4)Tips: Any tips you can give me with this motherboard or tricks that I may need to use with my hardware setup?
5)Optimizations: I do a lot of Photoshop and graphical editing, is there anything I should know about setting my computer to run optimally in those programs?

Thanks for the help and I look forward to any advice you guys can offer me.

Adrian

Asus P5N-E SLI
OCZ Platinum Revision 2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
Enermax EG475P-VE (24P) Noisetaker ATX 12V v2.0 Power Supply
Core 2 Duo E6300 (Stock Cooling)
2x74gb Raided Raptors
250gb maxtor sata hd
Evga 7600gt

 

[dlxmax]

Wow... Went to Thailand for a week of diving, came back and this thread has 30+ new pages. Just wish there was a little more signal, less noise.

I'm expecting my board tomorrow, along with an E4300 cpu, 7900GS gfx, and 2gb of Super Talent 4-4-3-8 DDR2/800.

I'm in Seoul where the E4300 has been out for about a week now. Should be interesting to see how it fares on this board that is known for high FSB stability. I'll post when it's setup and tweaked.

 

[hugekebab]

lol yeah tis a bit of a noisy threadmatey.

im getting mine friday, doubtless i will be on here begging for help upon receiving it and finding that a. my ninja wont fit, b. my memory wont work and c my harddrives are corrupted. lol if you looked at just the problems you would never try self building. going tobe an adventure for me thats for sure.

 

[skippymchaggis]

thanks for the info guys, i'll try stuff out after work that i haven't gotten to yet.

memtest passed, checkdisk went ok. haven't disabled her command queing (idiotekniQues, i've been thru your source thread on that as well ), but i have done so on my computer.

how does one disable system caching in the BIOS? we can't find it.

 

[adder1971]

Originally posted by: skippymchaggis
thanks for the info guys, i'll try stuff out after work that i haven't gotten to yet.

memtest passed, checkdisk went ok. haven't disabled her command queing (idiotekniQues, i've been thru your source thread on that as well ), but i have done so on my computer.

how does one disable system caching in the BIOS? we can't find it.

i would disable native command queuing first, depending on how often she was seeing this you should be able to see immediate results.

 

[Beelziboss]

CRAP, now i'm leaning towards the 680i again.

 

[Nevets Drassel]

Originally posted by: Beelziboss
CRAP, now i'm leaning towards the 680i again.

The 6801 is an overpriced 650i with a few more bells and wistles. Too many problems for me thats why I stuck with the 650i.

 

[Nevets Drassel]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: adder1971
just putting more info out there if your solution did not work. there does seem to be previous issues with nforce and command queuing. i have owned 3 thus far and have never experienced it. a good assumption for why could easily be because my drives have never supported it.

oh of course. i think he shoudl get all the options. i thought you meant that it really wasnt that issue since it disabled that feature. sorry, my bad. i misunderstood your post. been a long day, first day of classes last semester ever and it feels like forever already lol

Dude I know how you feel. Graduated last May. That last semester is really a bummer until the last 2 days.

Good luck...

 

[Core2]

I think all of you are jumping the gun here

I see no proof of any hardware failure. All assumptions

Windows Delayed Write Failed error messages are usually a software error or a conflict between hardware, software that can usually be fixed in windows

Nvidia has not posted any bulletins on the 650i. The 680i yes, totaly different MCP

Unless hard poof can be submitted or if someone can show this being a reoccurring problem with other members with this board I think we should let the single incident go and move on and not discourage others from purchasing this board

 

[adder1971]

Originally posted by: Core2
I think all of you are jumping the gun here

I see no proof of any hardware failure. All assumptions

Windows Delayed Write Failed error messages are usually a software error or a conflict between hardware, software that can usually be fixed in windows

Nvidia has not posted any bulletins on the 650i. The 680i yes, totaly different MCP

Unless hard poof can be submitted or if someone can show this being a reoccurring problem with other members with this board I think we should let the single incident go and move on and not discourage others from purchasing this board

Agreed, problems can happen with any platform. Currently this is one of the best bang for the buck boards available for C2D. I have had zero issues from defaults all the way through 500mhz FSB. Same can't be said for most other boards on the market.

 

[Core2]

Originally posted by: skippymchaggis
hi there, long time lurker, first time poster...

i'm fairly new to the build your own system thing. these are the 2nd and 3rd boxes i've built. the first has run unOC'ed for 4 years and has been a tank, more stable than anything i've ever seen prepacked. an old asus board, kingston ram, WD hard drives, and an asus gfx card (nvidia FX 5xxx chipset).

i just bought 2 of these to use in building my wife and i new his and hers systems. right now i'm running everything stock. everything seems fairly stable. fyi, we're using Antex P180B cases, with 650watt Antec Truepower Trio PSU's.

there are a couple quirks tho.

my wife keeps getting intermittant BSOD's. two types so far, an 0x00000077 and an 0x000000f4. (i can get the rest of the digits after i rest from typing...)

and i am having some graphics glitches, but i think it's related to the game code getting sloppy on the last patch. i've put speedfan and cpu-z on both machines. everything seems to be running in what you guys have posted as normal temps and speeds, although i'm not sure where to plug in some of the fans to get readings from the other slots on speedfan, right now they're chained off the psu running at constant speed and not being controlled by the board, or psu.

my wife's box did have some off grounding issues on it's first day, it would turn off the minute my wife touched the box. the next morning we moved it to the kitchen counter and looked at some stuff, turned an led plug around and it's been fine ever since.

her bsod's are the annoying thing we're not sure how to fix. and i don't know how to diagnose anything else. she's run memtests on the ram, it's clean. she's got a clean HD, no virii present anywhere. she's got a stock setup. we can't figure out how to disable system cacheing in the bios to test if the board is bad (which she found as a suggestion somewhere (is this worth doing or even possible?).

anyone have any thoughts?

thanks in advance,
skip

Skip
I would check all the hardware connection and plugs making sure they are securely connected and that you have put all the right wires that connect to the headers in there proper location(READ THE MANUAL AGAIN). Next check your ram and video card make sure they are seated all the way in especially the ram make sure the side clips are locked in place. If that doesn't work try putting your ram in the black slots only. Do this to both machines and compare for any difference in the way they were put together.

 

[Beelziboss]

LOL..Now I want the 650i again. Im like freaking John Kerry here, flip flopping all over the place.

 

[SuperFreaky]

good info in here, thx