The Ultimate SM3.0 Game Thread

[MisterChief]

*sniff* *sniff*...whats that I smell...Oh, it's the smell of this thread turning into a BBQ!

Smells good!

 

[imported_Noob]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

It probably is, but you missed the point of the subdiscussion entirely which was whether ATi's touted features actually are implemented

To date I'd say SM 3.0 implementation has outclassed Truform implementation.

as nvidia apparently has a history of touting a feature and then not enabling it/having it work correctly (at least that's what I gleaned from the poster's comments.)

Maybe...but ATi certainly has a history of hiding features, like SM 2.0b which nobody knew about until it magically appeared after FC 1.2 was available.

Don't think ATI made the SM 2.0b to compete with SM 3.0 in Fary Cry. SM 3.0 wasn't released until 1.3 FC patch came out.

 

[BFG10K]

Wow, you're a piece of work. You don't know where you called me names, try rereading your post above.

I'm starting to get the impression that you lack certain reading/comprehension skills. But humour me, quote exactly where I called you names.

which you have so far not provided as opposed to the facts put forth in the OP.

You have done nothing of the sort and additionally every one of your weak premises has already been disproven. Bascially you posted nothing more than opinion thread and used largely incorrect facts to back it up.

 

[BFG10K]

Don't think ATI made the SM 2.0b to compete with SM 3.0 in Fary Cry.

It was already in the hardware on R4xx yet there was no mention of it until FC's SM 3.0 path came along. It's strange that ATi would "forget" something as significant as that, don't you think?

SM 3.0 wasn't released until 1.3 FC patch came out.

It was available when 1.2 and DX9.0c beta/RC were out though.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: hans030390
seriously...what is this thread about???? i completely forget and everyone is talking about random stuff relating to SM3.0!!!

This thread is simply trying to determine whether SM3.0 is a factor that should be legitimately considered when making a purchasing decision on this generation of cards. To wit, does having SM3.0 confer any sort of tangible advantage such that one could say that having a SM3.0 card is a "must" over a card without the feature. To determine that I am gathering a list of SM3.0 enabled games currently available and forthcoming in the near future to allow people to answer the question on their own.

There seems to be a contingent on these boards that has an agenda to not allow people to make up their own minds but rather try to make you regurgitate their opinion. That's why this thread is heading where it is. Thanks for allowing me to *try* to veer it back on course.

 

[MisterChief]

Damn, I fell the heat off those flames!

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Wow, you're a piece of work. You don't know where you called me names, try rereading your post above.

I'm starting to get the impression that you lack certain reading/comprehension skills. But humour me, quote exactly where I called you names.

which you have so far not provided as opposed to the facts put forth in the OP.

You have done nothing of the sort and additionally every one of your weak premises has already been disproven. Bascially you posted nothing more than opinion thread and used largely incorrect facts to back it up.

There you go, this is exactly symptomatic of your problem. You call me names and then have no clue where you did it. Are you for real?

What exactly have you disproven? That the list in the OP is not the complete list of current and upcoming games supporting SM3.0? That the comments beside them are not true? Your crusade to blind everyone from the facts is a pretty weak one.

 

[hans030390]

pretty much any game that appears on the next gen consoles and comes to PC will use SM 3.0

and yes, it is GOOD, because for those who only upgrade every few years, (LIKE ME), it shows that the NVIDIA cards with SM3.0 will stand a better chance against future games...better then ATI, but i DID NOT say they would perform great with new games

IMO, SM3.0 is a must for a gamer, unless you plan on upgrading every year, thats why i chose a 6600gt to switch my 9200

 

[BFG10K]

There you go, this is exactly symptomatic of your problem. You call me names and then have no clue where you did it. Are you for real?

No quotes yet again I notice; again you make an argument and fail to back it up. It seems to be a habit of yours.

What exactly have you disproven?

Your claims of SM 3.0 being a non-factor in addition to the numerous fallacies that you've posted in an attempt to back it up.

Your crusade to blind everyone from the facts is a pretty weak one.

That's good advice, one that you should have taken before starting the thread.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: hans030390
pretty much any game that appears on the next gen consoles and comes to PC will use SM 3.0

and yes, it is GOOD, because for those who only upgrade every few years, (LIKE ME), it shows that the NVIDIA cards with SM3.0 will stand a better chance against future games...better then ATI, but i DID NOT say they would perform great with new games

IMO, SM3.0 is a must for a gamer, unless you plan on upgrading every year, thats why i chose a 6600gt to switch my 9200

If that's the way you feel, enjoy your card. As long as you're making an informed decision.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

There you go, this is exactly symptomatic of your problem. You call me names and then have no clue where you did it. Are you for real?

No quotes yet again I notice; again you make an argument and fail to back it up. It seems to be a habit of yours.

What exactly have you disproven?

Your claims of SM 3.0 being a non-factor in addition to the numerous fallacies that you've posted in an attempt to back it up.

Your crusade to blind everyone from the facts is a pretty weak one.

That's good advice, one that you should have taken before starting the thread.

You're pathetic. Unless you actually have something useful to this thread, do us all a favor and leave.

 

[hans030390]

no offense, but most have been pathetic on here.....i was hoping for a nice discussion

 

[BFG10K]

You're pathetic.

Oh dear, can't produce any real facts eh? Now who's the one throwing insults around?

Unless you actually have something useful to this thread,

I've done so. Despite your flawed arguments I think people understand that SM 3.0 doesn't require extra IQ or to eclipse the Radeon's performance to be useful. Free performance is always a good thing.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Bar81

Thanks again for contributing so much to the facts in this thread. I guess personal attacks must make you right. Please leave this thread.

the ones who disagree with you are the ONLY ones contributing "facts" to this thread.

You have just posted your personal opinion and have started the flaming.

it's pretty clear that the main two manufacturers of video cards - nVidia AND ati - believe SM 3.0 is a VERY important feature set for the upcoming generation of games

who are you?
:roll:

Thanks again for contributing so much to the facts in this thread. I guess personal attacks must make you right. Please leave this thread.

i guess you can only copy and paste since you are UNABLE to defend yourself.


This is NOT the 'Ultimate' SM3.0 Game Thread
nor is your subtitle correct "Or what nvidia isn't telling you.."

ATI evidently agrees with nVidia . . . So, what aren't they telling us?

if you can't tell us, please STFU

See, I don't need to defend myself because all you're doing is attacking me and showing what you truly are. My answers to your illogical and retarded "posts" have already been given. Attempting to further insult me doesn't win you any points, it just makes you look like as big of an *ss as Rollo, Rage187, and housecat.

you have already proven what an ass you are, you don't need to continue with your insults . . . . this thread confirms you are not to be taken seriously . . . why don't you head over to Politics and News . . . . you'd be a 'star' there.
:roll:

You haven't been able to defend a SINGLE one of your premises and now you are babbling on about Truform.

Originally posted by: Bar81
To date, I'd say that wasn't the point of what we were talking about, although I would agree with you, but then considering that Trueform has three games that support it, saying SM3.0 outclasses it is like saying you can run faster than a paraplegic.

Truform is an 'ati only' feature with very little support from developers . . . . otoh, SM 3.0 is the near future.
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Originally posted by: Bar81

As to your "non"claims what's the point of SM3.0 if the added speed STILL doesn't allow the 6800 to eclipse the X800. What I'm trying to determine is whether there is any advantage to SM3.0 Simply stating that it allows looping means nothing in reality, unless it gives the user some tangible benefit in relation to the X800. If SM3.0 doesn't make the 6800 faster than the X800 and the added shader effects when implemented cripple performance on current generation cards then WHAT'S THE POINT? It's only going to get worse as more demanding games are released. Having SM3.0 means nothing if it offers no realistic benefit over the X800.

You really just "don't get it". Worst of all, you refuse to listen to the explanation the more rational of us are offering.
:roll:

 

[Bar81]

Thanks again apoppin, you add so much to this thread, as usual.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

You're pathetic.

Oh dear, can't produce any real facts eh? Now who's the one throwing insults around?

Unless you actually have something useful to this thread,

I've done so. Despite your flawed arguments I think people understand that SM 3.0 doesn't require extra IQ or to eclipse the Radeon's performance to be useful. Free performance is always a good thing.

Save it. Free performance *is* always useful BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD. Damn you are ignorant and have a serious reading comprehension problem.

 

[MisterChief]

<---I'll get some marshmellows and grahm crackers!

 

[Bar81]

Because many of you obviously failed english I'm going to go over this AGAIN:


This thread is simply trying to determine whether SM3.0 is a factor that should be legitimately considered when making a purchasing decision on this generation of cards. To wit, does having SM3.0 confer any sort of tangible advantage such that one could say that having a SM3.0 card is a "must" over a card without the feature. To determine that I am gathering a list of SM3.0 enabled games currently available and forthcoming in the near future to allow people to answer the question on their own.

 

[hans030390]

.....this needs to be locked...we arent even discussing SM3.0 in a way that will help anyone

 

[BFG10K]

Save it. Free performance *is* always useful BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD.

Why is it not the point? Because it exposes the fallacy in your logic against SM 3.0 and therefore must be ignored?

Damn you are ignorant

Is that another personal attack?

 

[imported_Noob]

Originally posted by: Bar81
Because many of you obviously failed english I'm going to go over this AGAIN:


This thread is simply trying to determine whether SM3.0 is a factor that should be legitimately considered when making a purchasing decision on this generation of cards. To wit, does having SM3.0 confer any sort of tangible advantage such that one could say that having a SM3.0 card is a "must" over a card without the feature. To determine that I am gathering a list of SM3.0 enabled games currently available and forthcoming in the near future to allow people to answer the question on their own.

Well it seems like COR can utilize SM 3.0 pretty good due to the fact ti turns the game into a slide show. So even in the future if games come out supporting SM 3.0 to the max, the 6800's can't run it good anyway.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Save it. Free performance *is* always useful BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD.

Why is it not the point? Because it exposes the fallacy in your logic against SM 3.0 and therefore must be ignored?

Damn you are ignorant

Is that another personal attack?

Ignorant is not a personal attack. Do yourself a favor and look up the word on dictionary.com so you can figure out what it means.

That's not the point BECAUSE IT'S MY THREAD and when I started it I determined what the point of it was.

 

[MisterChief]

Anybody know any good campfire songs?

 

[hans030390]

you dont know that though....theres nothing that some good programming cant do i didnt think Killzone or Gran Turismo 4 would run on a PS2, but they do...coding and programming...i think the 6800 will be set for a while

 

[BFG10K]

Ignorant is not a personal attack.

This is really comical now and I can't even believe I'm reading something like this.

That's not the point BECAUSE IT'S MY THREAD and when I started it I determined what the point of it was.

LOL!

"BFG, your argument doesn't count because I say it doesn't; I make the rules and it's my thread!"

If you're going to act like a child then perhaps you should stop posting until such time that you're ready to handle a mature discussion.