the truth about abortion

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Agman

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Agman
Did you read my post?? I didn't say it was my parents. It was mine!

Either your skills of logical deduction are absent, or you're deliberately ignoring an obvious connection.

If you own your cells, what makes them yours - your DNA. Thus DNA sequence defines ownership of the cellular material. The DNA sequence of the fetus is a recombination of the DNA sequences of the parents. If the DNA sequence defines the owndership of cellular material, the DNA of the fetus is a combination of parental DNA, and the parents own the DNA, thus they own the fetus.

Build me a similarly logically structured argument if you want to refute mine.

Lets say my parents did own me. So if they did own me, why is it wrong for a parent to kill their child? If I follow your logic correctly then its theirs and they can do whatever they want to it. So if the child is theirs and they wanna kill it, why is this wrong? and abortion is not?

It's not my logic, it's yours. If you believe that a complete human cell is endowed with life, then the rest of the argument follows from that.

 

[Agman]

Why is it so difficult for you to understand that IT DOES EXIST as a person.

 

[Agman]

Except I was not saying my DNA was owned by my parents. At conception it becomes my DNA and at the conception of my child it becomes his/her DNA.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Agman
Except I was not saying my DNA was owned by my parents. At conception it becomes my DNA and at the conception of my child it becomes his/her DNA.

No, you claimed that upon fertilization the embryo is a human being. Thus you are claiming that a complete unique DNA sequence is the sole necessity for such a distinction.

 

[sandorski]

Ok, let's ban Abortion. I propose an alternative that will please everyone on all sides of the issue.

Instead of forcing a woman to carry a Fetus to term or denying her the choice of not carrying the Fetus to term, I say we give the Fetus the choice in the matter. It would work like this:

1) Woman would not want a Child

2) A Doctor would remove the Fetus from the Womb intact

3) If the Fetus survives, the woman must either Care for it or offer it up for Adoption

4) If the Fetus does not survive, obviously the Fetus did not want to live

Problem solved.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ok, let's ban Abortion. I propose an alternative that will please everyone on all sides of the issue.

Instead of forcing a woman to carry a Fetus to term or denying her the choice of not carrying the Fetus to term, I say we give the Fetus the choice in the matter. It would work like this:

1) Woman would not want a Child

2) A Doctor would remove the Fetus from the Womb intact

3) If the Fetus survives, the woman must either Care for it or offer it up for Adoption

4) If the Fetus does not survive, obviously the Fetus did not want to live

Problem solved.

actually, you just thought up a great plot for a sci-fi movie.

 

[sandorski]

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Agman
Why is it so difficult for you to understand that IT DOES EXIST as a person.

Why do you think this? Why is it so hard for you to answer this?

 

[AZReDWiNG]

Pro-choice people are pro-CHOICE, not pro-DEATH. There's a difference.

Personally, I'm pro-life -- but I realize that my personal beliefs have no effect on the beliefs of others. They have their own beliefs and opinions and I respect that. Therefore, I am pro-choice in that people can choose whether or not to abort.

Also, rape is totally a poor excuse to have an abortion

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Ok, let's ban Abortion. I propose an alternative that will please everyone on all sides of the issue.

Instead of forcing a woman to carry a Fetus to term or denying her the choice of not carrying the Fetus to term, I say we give the Fetus the choice in the matter. It would work like this:

1) Woman would not want a Child

2) A Doctor would remove the Fetus from the Womb intact

3) If the Fetus survives, the woman must either Care for it or offer it up for Adoption

4) If the Fetus does not survive, obviously the Fetus did not want to live

Problem solved.

HAHAHAHAHA!

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Agman
Why is it so difficult for you to understand that IT DOES EXIST as a person.

Because scientifically/medically it doesnt. The cerebral cortex is what makes us a person, it gives personality, thought, emotion, pain, fear, everything that defines us as a person. If some person "of the cloth" tells you that personhood begins at conception why is your date of birth not ~9 months earlier? Personhood is what makes you a person. A mass of cells is not a person. How could you disagree with this?

 

[shira]

So if I record videos of of the hideously mutilated bodies of American soldiers, do you think that's a valid argument against the war in Iraq?

If I show you videos of the hideously mutilated bodies of Americans killed in automobile accidents, do you think that's a valid argument against cars?

These are images of mutilated fetuses, not mutilated children. The problem with the anti-abortion wackos is they think fetuses and children are the same thing, and they think gross-out videos are an argument.

 

[Shortass]

Originally posted by: AZReDWiNG
Pro-choice people are pro-CHOICE, not pro-DEATH. There's a difference.

Personally, I'm pro-life -- but I realize that my personal beliefs have no effect on the beliefs of others. They have their own beliefs and opinions and I respect that. Therefore, I am pro-choice in that people can choose whether or not to abort.

There we go, what more people should think. It shouldn't be illegal to do anything to your own body, and fetus' are part of the womans body until birthed. It's not anyones decision other than the potential parents (and maybe their parents if legally bound to them), so the best pro-lifers should do is try to EDUCATE people so they can make their own choices in the matter. Gross videos helps the cause for MAYBE .1% of the population, education could help everyone.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Cyclowizard in 3...2...1...

Asshat troll in... Oh, you made it here before I did and didn't contribute anything. Shocker!

Originally posted by: BrownTown
that one at the end looks a little to developed to be before the age at which fetuses can be legally aborted.

There is no legal limit to the age at which a fetus can be aborted in the US.

That was a troll? Wow, you really have your panties in a wad, don't you? Step away from the keyboard and get some fresh air.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Shortass

Originally posted by: AZReDWiNG
Pro-choice people are pro-CHOICE, not pro-DEATH. There's a difference.

Personally, I'm pro-life -- but I realize that my personal beliefs have no effect on the beliefs of others. They have their own beliefs and opinions and I respect that. Therefore, I am pro-choice in that people can choose whether or not to abort.

There we go, what more people should think. It shouldn't be illegal to do anything to your own body, and fetus' are part of the womans body until birthed. It's not anyones decision other than the potential parents (and maybe their parents if legally bound to them), so the best pro-lifers should do is try to EDUCATE people so they can make their own choices in the matter. Gross videos helps the cause for MAYBE .1% of the population, education could help everyone.

Nah, that would be "hard work". They'd rather take an authoritarian route and just make it illegal. It wouldn't solve anything, just push the procedure underground. They're not "pro-life", they're "pro-coathanger".

 

[shadow9d9]

Ugh... I think I just changed to pro-choice... ah, that was just a fart... my bad.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Agman
Why is it so difficult for you to understand that IT DOES EXIST as a person.

Because scientifically/medically it doesnt. The cerebral cortex is what makes us a person, it gives personality, thought, emotion, pain, fear, everything that defines us as a person. If some person "of the cloth" tells you that personhood begins at conception why is your date of birth not ~9 months earlier? Personhood is what makes you a person. A mass of cells is not a person. How could you disagree with this?

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Now... would you like me to go ahead and print out the pictures of women with perforating peritonitis, or a flesh-eating staph infection from back-alley abortions. Oh, but I forget, their lives are not important to you - you only care about people up until the moment of their birth.

I'm not gonna lose much sleep over this myself. My personal *opinion* is those supposedly unfortunate females are cold blooded murderers, and a little flesh eating bacteria are a well deserved karma bank shot.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Meuge

Now... would you like me to go ahead and print out the pictures of women with perforating peritonitis, or a flesh-eating staph infection from back-alley abortions. Oh, but I forget, their lives are not important to you - you only care about people up until the moment of their birth.

I'm not gonna lose much sleep over this myself. My personal *opinion* is those supposedly unfortunate females are cold blooded murderers, and a little flesh eating bacteria are a well deserved karma bank shot.

Yes, tons of "pro-life" sentiment there, you twit.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Meuge

Now... would you like me to go ahead and print out the pictures of women with perforating peritonitis, or a flesh-eating staph infection from back-alley abortions. Oh, but I forget, their lives are not important to you - you only care about people up until the moment of their birth.

I'm not gonna lose much sleep over this myself. My personal *opinion* is those supposedly unfortunate females are cold blooded murderers, and a little flesh eating bacteria are a well deserved karma bank shot.

Yes, tons of "pro-life" sentiment there, you twit.

Pity the poor poor murderer........

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Meuge

Now... would you like me to go ahead and print out the pictures of women with perforating peritonitis, or a flesh-eating staph infection from back-alley abortions. Oh, but I forget, their lives are not important to you - you only care about people up until the moment of their birth.

I'm not gonna lose much sleep over this myself. My personal *opinion* is those supposedly unfortunate females are cold blooded murderers, and a little flesh eating bacteria are a well deserved karma bank shot.

Yes, tons of "pro-life" sentiment there, you twit.

Pity the poor poor murderer........

Suit yourself.

I am quite disapproving of abortions myself, but listening to you I am pretty sure I may want to go to a training session this week. Can never have too many trained abortion providers.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Meuge

Now... would you like me to go ahead and print out the pictures of women with perforating peritonitis, or a flesh-eating staph infection from back-alley abortions. Oh, but I forget, their lives are not important to you - you only care about people up until the moment of their birth.

I'm not gonna lose much sleep over this myself. My personal *opinion* is those supposedly unfortunate females are cold blooded murderers, and a little flesh eating bacteria are a well deserved karma bank shot.

Yes, tons of "pro-life" sentiment there, you twit.

Pity the poor poor murderer........

Suit yourself.

I am quite disapproving of abortions myself, but listening to you I am pretty sure I may want to go to a training session this week. Can never have too many trained abortion providers.

Everyone has a calling.........the title of abortionist suits you just fine.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Agman
Don't think that I'm saying ALL abortions are wrong, since I do know that sometimes medical conditions demand an abortion and I have to no problem with that since the mother is in danger of death.

So why is it okay in this instance or any other instance for that matter?

EDIT: I mean, look at those pics!!!

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Agman
Don't think that I'm saying ALL abortions are wrong, since I do know that sometimes medical conditions demand an abortion and I have to no problem with that since the mother is in danger of death.

So why is it okay in this instance or any other instance for that matter?

EDIT: I mean, look at those pics!!!

Have you ever seen orthopedic surgery? Sure looks gross. Maybe we should ban that too.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: dullard
The numbers don't agree with you, CycloWizard. Those who pledge to be abstinant, still eventually have sex (and almost always out of wedlock). Those people also tend to be the most unprepaired for sex when they do have it. There are plenty of studies proving this. I have to leave for the day. If you need, I'll search for them tomorrow.

In an ideal world, you'd be correct. But the world isn't ideal.

Did you even read my post? If you did, you certainly didn't address any points I made in it.

Originally posted by: homercles337
Because scientifically/medically it doesnt. The cerebral cortex is what makes us a person, it gives personality, thought, emotion, pain, fear, everything that defines us as a person. If some person "of the cloth" tells you that personhood begins at conception why is your date of birth not ~9 months earlier? Personhood is what makes you a person. A mass of cells is not a person. How could you disagree with this?

No, this is how YOU define a person. This is hardly a definitive definition, and even most who support abortion rights would disagree with it as definitive.