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[SlowSpyder]

He can look it up himself if he really wants to know. This is not a tough question, its answer is very simple:

1 Samuel 15:2-33

That's why all of the Amalekites (even the women and children) were wiped out...they were sworn enemies of Israel.

They're not interested in an "answer" -- they're only interested in pushing this idea that we follow a God who murders innocent children.

A two second google search would have given them these Bible verses.

I guess you aren't familiar with the antics of JD and Jackstar -- spend some more time in these threads...you'll learn.

So the Amalekites were the sworn enemy of Israel, that's why it was just to kill children that had no say in the matter? No wonder hate groups like the KKK feel it is ok to use the bible as justification for their actions.

Prosecutor: KKK dude, why did you kill those siblings, only six months old and 13 months old?

KKK Dude: They were both black, the sworn enemy of white people.

Prosecutor: Well ok, you got us there. Everyone can be lumped into several very large groups and killed for which group they are part of. We'd like to drop all charges...

It's not just Christianity, bro


It's clear your focus only exists inside your own life and not outside it though.

Do you think the countries of our planet have not just killed people outright because even the low risk was too much risk?

What's not just christianity? It isn't just christianity that has had kids killed? That has failed prophecies?

Not sure what you mean by the second sentence, or how you arrived at that conclusion...

Not sure what you are getting at by the third sentence, either. Of course other countries have massacred innocents. This isn't about what evil deeds have been done by human-led countries, though. This is about what the only one and true divine god has commanded by his followers or sent the supernatural to do.

 

[alkemyst]

What's not just christianity? It isn't just christianity that has had kids killed? That has failed prophecies?

Not sure what you mean by the second sentence, or how you arrived at that conclusion...

Not sure what you are getting at by the third sentence, either. Of course other countries have massacred innocents. This isn't about what evil deeds have been done by human-led countries, though. This is about what the only one and true divine god has commanded by his followers or sent the supernatural to do.

I don't think you understand your own argument.

Most God(s) only ask. No one is really forced. You may have repercussions if you don't listen though.

I'd suggest sitting and reading though a few holy books. You can do the whole Bible in less than a year at 10-15mins per day.

You think you have an understanding of it all, but you are just hearing the dogma you have been taught/heard/spoken to about.

If you focus on the Christian God from the Old Testament, he was a bit pissed off. He set down some basic rules and MANKIND screwed up over and over. The God of the New Testament fixed all that...however; IMHO today he may be equally mad if that same God exists.

In the last 2000 years we have done far worse.

 

[Retro Rob]

You do, and you just admitted it.

Is that all you've got? Shame that you have to "get me" by deliberate misquotes.

Pathetic.

In what world can a child be murdered for what their parents did? You don't consider a one year old child innocent?

See, this is where you're mistaken. It has nothing to do with the child, it's innocence, nothing of the sort.

If you'd bother to do even selective research, you'd see that the Amalekites hand was against God from "generation to generation", before he ultimately judged them worthy of total destruction.

The Amalekites ambushed Israel after the Exodus from Egypt, and this sort of thing went on for centuries, meaning those "innocent children" were being raised to hate Israel.

So they "chose" to raise and condition kids to be haters of God, and God saw no end to this, so he rightly condemned the entire nation. If a group of people chose to consistently attack God's people with no end in sight, how isn't that forcing his hand? We have free will, according to the Bible, so we can chose to love or hate God.

They chose to hate God and to raise their children that way. Their faults, not God's.

So, get your head out of your ass and educate yourself.

FWIW, this post is simply for the benefit of others who are willing to objectively consider why children died in this account, free from atheistic prejudice and ignorant bias.

 

[alkemyst]

I would suggest people that have a problem understanding how God works watch the movie Noah and focus on the God vs Russell Crow problems plus how his own kids did things and then how he was descended from a lineage that put Cain on this earth AFTER Adam and Eve messed up paradise.

According to the scriptures...Man never had to eat meat, never dealt with rain, always had everything he needed within grasp. God just wanted him and his woman to populate the earth and have a good time.

It's like "Dad" giving his kids every console/computer, a 108" Samsung TV, every game known to man, a best friend with benefits, several nice cars to choose from and a few boats, and the entire alcohol cabinet and those turds go and try to take out his resto ride he just fully repainted when the paint wasn't dry.

Dad is going to be pissed.

 

[soulcougher73]

Is that all you've got? Shame that you have to "get me" by deliberate misquotes.

Pathetic.



See, this is where you're mistaken. It has nothing to do with the child, it's innocence, nothing of the sort.

If you'd bother to do even selective research, you'd see that the Amalekites hand was against God from "generation to generation", before he ultimately judged them worthy of total destruction.

The Amalekites ambushed Israel after the Exodus from Egypt, and this sort of thing went on for centuries, meaning those "innocent children" were being raised to hate Israel.

So they "chose" to raise and condition kids to be haters of God, and God saw no end to this, so he rightly condemned the entire nation. If a group of people chose to consistently attack God's people with no end in sight, how isn't that forcing his hand? We have free will, according to the Bible, so we can chose to love or hate God.

They chose to hate God and to raise their children that way. Their faults, not God's.

So, get your head out of your ass and educate yourself.

FWIW, this post is simply for the benefit of others who are willing to objectively consider why children died in this account, free from atheistic prejudice and ignorant bias.

Couldn't god have just killed all the adults and taken the innocent children into heaven? I mean that sounds more loving to me..but what do i know?

And if he is all knowing, he would have known he fucked up from the beginning with Adam and Eve..what a dumbass this god must be.

 

[Retro Rob]

Couldn't god have just killed all the adults and taken the innocent children into heaven? I mean that sounds more loving to me..but what do i know?

And if he is all knowing, he would have known he fucked up from the beginning with Adam and Eve..what a dumbass this god must be.

Eh, well...that's not a bad way to look at it!

 

[JEDIYoda]

And if he is all knowing, he would have known he fucked up from the beginning with Adam and Eve..what a dumbass this god must be.

a typical Atheist talking point when confronted with the truth!!

 

[SlowSpyder]

I don't think you understand your own argument.

Most God(s) only ask. No one is really forced. You may have repercussions if you don't listen though.

I'd suggest sitting and reading though a few holy books. You can do the whole Bible in less than a year at 10-15mins per day.

You think you have an understanding of it all, but you are just hearing the dogma you have been taught/heard/spoken to about.

If you focus on the Christian God from the Old Testament, he was a bit pissed off. He set down some basic rules and MANKIND screwed up over and over. The God of the New Testament fixed all that...however; IMHO today he may be equally mad if that same God exists.

In the last 2000 years we have done far worse.

Don't confuse christian followers with god or christian dogma. If god came down from heaven, and I honestly felt that it was god, and he told me to do something I guess I would have to. But my concerns aren't with the actions of followers. My concerns are with your god's actions and how they equate to a loving deity.

Also, specifically I was talking about when god had the first born in all of egypt killed, not the father, not the mother, just the first born male (and first born animals, too... lol). He didn't command man to do this, he took matters into his own hands.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Is that all you've got? Shame that you have to "get me" by deliberate misquotes.

Pathetic.



See, this is where you're mistaken. It has nothing to do with the child, it's innocence, nothing of the sort.

If you'd bother to do even selective research, you'd see that the Amalekites hand was against God from "generation to generation", before he ultimately judged them worthy of total destruction.

The Amalekites ambushed Israel after the Exodus from Egypt, and this sort of thing went on for centuries, meaning those "innocent children" were being raised to hate Israel.

So they "chose" to raise and condition kids to be haters of God, and God saw no end to this, so he rightly condemned the entire nation. If a group of people chose to consistently attack God's people with no end in sight, how isn't that forcing his hand? We have free will, according to the Bible, so we can chose to love or hate God.

They chose to hate God and to raise their children that way. Their faults, not God's.

So, get your head out of your ass and educate yourself.

FWIW, this post is simply for the benefit of others who are willing to objectively consider why children died in this account, free from atheistic prejudice and ignorant bias.

Again, so it is ok to lump everyone into a group and kill them? We call that a hate crime, today. How much hatred for Jews does a two year old have?

Didn't the great flood happen before god genocided the Amalekites? The great flood that only one family lived through?

 

[JD50]

Is that all you've got? Shame that you have to "get me" by deliberate misquotes.

Pathetic.



See, this is where you're mistaken. It has nothing to do with the child, it's innocence, nothing of the sort.

If you'd bother to do even selective research, you'd see that the Amalekites hand was against God from "generation to generation", before he ultimately judged them worthy of total destruction.

The Amalekites ambushed Israel after the Exodus from Egypt, and this sort of thing went on for centuries, meaning those "innocent children" were being raised to hate Israel.

So they "chose" to raise and condition kids to be haters of God, and God saw no end to this, so he rightly condemned the entire nation. If a group of people chose to consistently attack God's people with no end in sight, how isn't that forcing his hand? We have free will, according to the Bible, so we can chose to love or hate God.

They chose to hate God and to raise their children that way. Their faults, not God's.

So, get your head out of your ass and educate yourself.

FWIW, this post is simply for the benefit of others who are willing to objectively consider why children died in this account, free from atheistic prejudice and ignorant bias.

Yes, their fault, as in, the adults. Children have nothing to do with it. There is no excuse for an all powerful god to kill innocent children. So what if their parents are raising them to go against god. The only solution that an all knowing, all powerful god could come up with is to wipe out everyone, including the children? Do you realize how crazy this sounds? I'm just a mere mortal and I could think of a few ways to get the kids away from their parents, god couldn't come up with something better?

Could you imagine if someone justified drone strikes on entire families in the middle east because the children were going to grow up to become terrorists anyways? This is nuts.

Where are these deliberate misquotes? I've quoted you in your entirety every time, and here you are once again justifying the murder of innocent children.

 

[JD50]

I would suggest people that have a problem understanding how God works watch the movie Noah and focus on the God vs Russell Crow problems plus how his own kids did things and then how he was descended from a lineage that put Cain on this earth AFTER Adam and Eve messed up paradise.

According to the scriptures...Man never had to eat meat, never dealt with rain, always had everything he needed within grasp. God just wanted him and his woman to populate the earth and have a good time.

It's like "Dad" giving his kids every console/computer, a 108" Samsung TV, every game known to man, a best friend with benefits, several nice cars to choose from and a few boats, and the entire alcohol cabinet and those turds go and try to take out his resto ride he just fully repainted when the paint wasn't dry.

Dad is going to be pissed.

And we now know that this is one hundred percent false.

 

[JEDIYoda]

And we now know that this is one hundred percent false.

How do you know?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Again, so it is ok to lump everyone into a group and kill them? We call that a hate crime, today. How much hatred for Jews does a two year old have?

Didn't the great flood happen before god genocided the Amalekites? The great flood that only one family lived through?

Still trying to illicit sympathy with God kills children card? It is just not going to work! Evan after being explained to you in detail about the Amalekites you didn`t get it......

These children are raised from day 1 to hate and to seek revenge, in fact that is all the children are taught! From generation to generation.....God was within his right!

 

[PingviN]

Still trying to illicit sympathy with God kills children card? It is just not going to work! Evan after being explained to you in detail about the Amalekites you didn`t get it......

These children are raised from day 1 to hate and to seek revenge, in fact that is all the children are taught! From generation to generation.....God was within his right!

Guilt by association and getting punished before committing a crime is God being within his right?

 

[Retro Rob]

Yes, their fault, as in, the adults. Children have nothing to do with it. There is no excuse for an all powerful god to kill innocent children. So what if their parents are raising them to go against god. The only solution that an all knowing, all powerful god could come up with is to wipe out everyone, including the children?

Strawman. No one, but you, said that was the "only" way. Parents are responsible to raise their children correctly, not God. Think about it; if God was real and you knew he was as real as the heat of the Sun, what kind of fool would raise kids to war against his people?

Do you realize how crazy this sounds? I'm just a mere mortal and I could think of a few ways to get the kids away from their parents, god couldn't come up with something better?

Who said God couldn't have done something "better"? It "sounds crazy" because you're all emotionally charged over the fact children were killed. Isn't this supposed to be an intellectual debate?

The Bible is a heavy book to handle, because it's honest about uncomfortable details (like the one we are discussion). People who cringe at the OT do so out of pure emotion: "gasp! How could a loving God do such a thing!?!"

This hinders intellectual discussion.

I've quoted you in your entirety every time, and here you are once again justifying the murder of innocent children.

I'm defending the acts of God.

 

[witeken]

I'm defending the acts of God.

Perfect Double Standard.

 

[soulcougher73]

a typical Atheist talking point when confronted with the truth!!

Broken record is back. Welcome back.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Still trying to illicit sympathy with God kills children card? It is just not going to work! Evan after being explained to you in detail about the Amalekites you didn`t get it......

These children are raised from day 1 to hate and to seek revenge, in fact that is all the children are taught! From generation to generation.....God was within his right!

And this is what I mean by 'christian hatred', look at what you're trying to find an excuse for. Really sad and pathetic.

Again, as I said earlier, this is NOT about garnering sympathy. This is about wondering what kind of crime a one year old is guilty of that could possibly warrant the death penalty from a god who claims to love us. This is about how little sense the story of christianity makes. This is about how christians can somehow think that without their god we wouldn't have morals.

In what reality would I be in the right to go kill young kids based on what their parents had done?

 

[schmuckley]

You do, and you just admitted it. This it not a game of gotcha, or "antics." In what world can a child be murdered for what their parents did? You don't consider a one year old child innocent?

I'm not trying to appeal to anyone's emotions here. I genuinely cannot understand how you can condone the killing of innocent children. I could possibly understand why a god would kill adults, but we're talking about children that had no say in the matter. You don't see anything wrong with that?

And no, that bible verse that you quoted does not explain why the children were murdered. I would like to know why an all knowing, all powerful, loving god needs to kill children.

Why does Planned Parenthood need to kill children? Pretty sure they've killed wayyyy more than God.

 

[Retro Rob]

And this is what I mean by 'christian hatred', look at what you're trying to find an excuse for. Really sad and pathetic.

Again, as I said earlier, this is NOT about garnering sympathy. This is about wondering what kind of crime a one year old is guilty of that could possibly warrant the death penalty from a god who claims to love us. This is about how little sense the story of christianity makes. This is about how christians can somehow think that without their god we wouldn't have morals.

In what reality would I be in the right to go kill young kids based on what their parents had done?

Again, the Bible never said the children were at fault, so stop that silly strawman argument.

The question you should be asking is why God decided to wipe the whole nation out.

This obsession with "the children were innocent" is why you're getting the responses you're getting.

Your false equivalence is duly noted, and ignored. You are not God, therefore you have no right to pass judgments of capital punishment.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Why does Planned Parenthood need to kill children? Pretty sure they've killed wayyyy more than God.

You are stretching here. What constitutes a child before it is born is much more a matter of opinion.

 

[JD50]

Strawman. No one, but you, said that was the "only" way. Parents are responsible to raise their children correctly, not God. Think about it; if God was real and you knew he was as real as the heat of the Sun, what kind of fool would raise kids to war against his people?



Who said God couldn't have done something "better"? It "sounds crazy" because you're all emotionally charged over the fact children were killed. Isn't this supposed to be an intellectual debate?

The Bible is a heavy book to handle, because it's honest about uncomfortable details (like the one we are discussion). People who cringe at the OT do so out of pure emotion: "gasp! How could a loving God do such a thing!?!"

This hinders intellectual discussion.



I'm defending the acts of God.

Oh, so it wasn't the only way, and God could have done something better, but he chose not to? That makes it even worse.

You're right, parents are responsible to raise their children correctly. Explain to me again how a one year old is responsible for the actions of their parents. I agree with you that if god was real you'd be a fool to raise your children that way. But again, what does that have to do with a young child that has no say in the matter?

Yes, you're defending an act of god, which involved murdering children. I'm not saying you're an extremist Rob, but this is exactly how extremists convince people to fly planes in to buildings or blow up a bus full of innocents.

 

[JD50]

Again, the Bible never said the children were at fault, so stop that silly strawman argument.

The question you should be asking is why God decided to wipe the whole nation out.

This obsession with "the children were innocent" is why you're getting the responses you're getting.

Your false equivalence is duly noted, and ignored. You are not God, therefore you have no right to pass judgments of capital punishment.

That is what I have asked you repeatedly. The children weren't at fault, obviously, but they still had to die? Why?

In what reality would I be in the right to go kill young kids based on what their parents had done?

This is really the crux of the issue here.

 

[jhbball]

Again, the Bible never said the children were at fault, so stop that silly strawman argument.

The question you should be asking is why God decided to wipe the whole nation out.

This obsession with "the children were innocent" is why you're getting the responses you're getting.

Your false equivalence is duly noted, and ignored. You are not God, therefore you have no right to pass judgments of capital punishment.

Translated: "I don't have an answer for this." Run away, like you always do Rob.

 

[Retro Rob]

That is what I have asked you repeatedly. The children weren't at fault, obviously, but they still had to die? Why?



This is really the crux of the issue here.

I don't know -- the Bible doesn't directly give the reasons why God felt the children specifically were part of that judgement, but it is obvious the the nation AS A WHOLE was liable to death.

Really, if the Bible did give a reason (say, God used his foreknowledge to determine the kids would all be murders), it's evident that you'd still hold to the same opinion.

So feel free to fill than gap in your knowledge with "gods a murderer" -- doesn't make any of that speculation true.