The Theism/Atheism Mega-thread Hullabaloo Extravaganza

[SlowSpyder]

Again, the Bible never said the children were at fault, so stop that silly strawman argument.

The question you should be asking is why God decided to wipe the whole nation out.

This obsession with "the children" is why you're getting the responses you're getting.

Your false equivalence is duly noted, and ignored. You are not God, therefore you have no right to pass judgments of capital punishment.

Sounds like spin to try and excuse the hateful actions of your god. I'm not god, but I'm real and actual, so that gives me a right to judge myth and the damage it causes when millions follow the myth. It is easy to believe the myth when you put unequal weight in favor of things like fulfilled prophecies vs. unfulfilled prophecies or see what you want to see as evidence but ignore contradictions and missing evidence that would exist like there not being a trace of evidence that the exodus ever occurred, etc.

But for the rest of us that are actually moral and don't care to be sheeple, we'll continue to look at these things with a critical eye. You can go ahead and keep following your murderous mythical god, this is America and are afforded that right. (kind of amazing how things we cherish and consider to be the morally right thing to do, like freedom to worship any god(s) you want or don't want, are at odds with what your god commands... I guess I shouldn't have expected child murder to be any different)

 

[Retro Rob]

Oh, so it wasn't the only way, and God could have done something better, but he chose not to? That makes it even worse.

Ok.

You're right, parents are responsible to raise their children correctly. Explain to me again how a one year old is responsible for the actions of their parents. I agree with you that if god was real you'd be a fool to raise your children that way. But again, what does that have to do with a young child that has no say in the matter?

Where did I say a one year old is responsible for the actions of their parents? I don't have to explain that to you, because that's not even what I said.

Yes, you're defending an act of god, which involved murdering children. I'm not saying you're an extremist Rob, but this is exactly how extremists convince people to fly planes in to buildings or blow up a bus full of innocents.

So what? That's them deciding on how to act. I'd never do that.

 

[Retro Rob]

Sounds like spin to try and excuse the hateful actions of your god. I'm not god, but I'm real and actual, so that gives me a right to judge myth and the damage it causes when millions follow the myth. It is easy to believe the myth when you put unequal weight in favor of things like fulfilled prophecies vs. unfulfilled prophecies or see what you want to see as evidence but ignore contradictions and missing evidence that would exist like there not being a trace of evidence that the exodus ever occurred, etc.

But for the rest of us that are actually moral and don't care to be sheeple, we'll continue to look at these things with a critical eye. You can go ahead and keep following your murderous mythical god, this is America and are afforded that right. (kind of amazing how things we cherish and consider to be the morally right thing to do, like freedom to worship any god(s) you want or don't want, are at odds with what your god commands... I guess I shouldn't have expected child murder to be any different)

This is no spin, man. You just don't like the explanation. Admit it.

 

[JD50]

I don't know -- the Bible doesn't directly give the reasons why God felt the children specifically were part of that judgement, but it is obvious the the nation AS A WHOLE was liable to death.

Really, if the Bible did give a reason (say, God used his foreknowledge to determine the kids would all be murders), it's evident that you'd still hold to the same opinion.

So feel free to fill than gap in your knowledge with "gods a murderer" -- doesn't make any of that speculation true.

Ok, so you have no answer then.

Where did I speculate? God killed innocent children, that is not speculation. You said yourself that they were innocent.

How do you reconcile this Rob? I know you're not comfortable with the thought of your god killing innocent children. Are you content with "God has his reasons?" When I was a Christian I never really thought about this kind of thing and no one ever challenged me on it. If someone did, I'm not sure what my answer would have been.

 

[JD50]

This is no spin, man. You just don't like the explanation. Admit it.

You didn't offer an explanation, you just said god did it and he has his reasons.

 

[soulcougher73]

So feel free to fill than gap in your knowledge with "gods a murderer" -- doesn't make any of that speculation true.

Oh the irony..you cant see it..but it is delicious.

 

[Retro Rob]

Ok, so you have no answer then.

Exactly, and that's what told you. I'm not gonna sit here an act if I know something that I don't.

Where did I speculate? God killed innocent children, that is not speculation. You said yourself that they were innocent.

Your speculation was that the child was at fault. The Bible never even said that.

How do you reconcile this Rob? I know you're not comfortable with the thought of your god killing innocent children. Are you content with "God has his reasons?" When I was a Christian I never really thought about this kind of thing and no one ever challenged me on it. If someone did, I'm not sure what my answer would have been.

I was uncomfortable, to be honest, but I removed my emotions from the account -- that's the only reason why I am still a Christian when it comes to this. Then I studied the reasons why.

This is hardly the first time I've been challenged on this -- I've done extensive research into why this happened to prepare for these challenges.

I believe God does what he does (in the Bible) for the right reasons, because I trust him.

 

[soulcougher73]

So what? That's them deciding on how to act. I'd never do that.

If "your" God commanded you to, would you? I bet you would since you are a believer.

 

[soulcougher73]

Exactly, and that's what told you. I'm not gonna sit here an act if I know something that I don't.



Your speculation was that the child was at fault. The Bible never even said that.



I was uncomfortable, to be honest, but I removed my emotions from the account -- that's the only reason why I am still a Christian when it comes to this. Then I studied the reasons why.

This is hardly the first time I've been challenged on this -- I've done extensive research into why this happened to prepare for these challenges.

I believe God does what he does (in the Bible) for the right reasons, because I trust him.

Your extensive research led you to "God can do what he wants and i dont know his reasons"? Ouch

 

[JD50]

Your extensive research led you to "God can do what he wants and i dont know his reasons"? Ouch

Yep, and that's what Jackstar said in his original post about subject. Instead of going on and on about emotional appeals and fallacies, Rob could've just agreed with the original post. It's scary how people can rationalize the murder of innocent children.

 

[JD50]

Exactly, and that's what told you. I'm not gonna sit here an act if I know something that I don't.



Your speculation was that the child was at fault. The Bible never even said that.



I was uncomfortable, to be honest, but I removed my emotions from the account -- that's the only reason why I am still a Christian when it comes to this. Then I studied the reasons why.

This is hardly the first time I've been challenged on this -- I've done extensive research into why this happened to prepare for these challenges.

I believe God does what he does (in the Bible) for the right reasons, because I trust him.

Right, the children weren't at fault. I understand that.

Just to summarize, the children weren't at fault and weren't being held responsible for what their parents did. There was clearly a better way to handle the situation (you agreed with this) and god didn't have to kill the children, but he did it anyways. Remember, we're talking about an all powerful, all knowing, loving god that can literally do whatever he wants.

This is where you get your morals?

 

[SlowSpyder]

This is no spin, man. You just don't like the explanation. Admit it.

You're trying to justify the murder of thousands of innocents, and indeed an entire culture, by a 'loving' god because of what their parents and ancestors supposedly did. I also understand that there was a time when Germans in power wanted to eradicate all Jews based on past grievances, it didn't matter what the individual Jewish person's opinion was, if they were innocent of the 'crime' or not, nor the age of the condemned.

Again, it is christian hate. Essentially what the bible is saying is that one race or ethnic group can be superior to another to the point that the latter can be completely wiped out regardless of who might be innocent (chldren) or not.

Trying to say that the entire nation or ethnic group is guilty and deserved death to make it moral, that's spin.

 

[OverVolt]

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

So a question... all the religious politics aside, if religion didn't exist for example, would you atheists find it more palatable to believe in a creator/god?

 

[Retro Rob]

Yep, and that's what Jackstar said in his original post about subject. Instead of going on and on about emotional appeals and fallacies, Rob could've just agreed with the original post. It's scary how people can rationalize the murder of innocent children.

Why would I agree with something that's incorrect?

As you stated, you never thought about it as a christian, so you had either no idea the account was there, or you never learned the details, and are still ignorant of them, and are willing to remain that way.

Of course you would have not known how to answer a challenge, so you just "picked" to believe God was a murderer, evidently due to you lack of knowledge.

 

[soulcougher73]

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

So a question... all the religious politics aside, if religion didn't exist for example, would you atheists find it more palatable to believe in a creator/god?

Only if the evidence pointed at such. Fairy tales are for kids and the mentally weak.

 

[OverVolt]

Only if the evidence pointed at such. Fairy tales are for kids and the mentally weak.

Well we have more information now than in any time in history so whats the definitive yes/no?

 

[JD50]

Why would I agree with something that's incorrect?

As you stated, you never thought about it as a christian, so you had either no idea the account was there, or you never learned the details, and are still ignorant of them, and are willing to remain that way.

Of course you would have not known how to answer a challenge, so you just "picked" to believe God was a murderer, evidently due to you lack of knowledge.

These were his words "but you've never given an answer beyond the rules god made for us don't apply to him"

And that's basically what you said after over a page of going back and forth. How is that incorrect?

Not one thing that you've said has justified the killing of innocent children. You even said that god could have done something better. YOU said that you don't have an answer as to why god did what he did. What knowledge am I lacking here? If a human did this he would be called a murderer, at best.

 

[soulcougher73]

Well we have more information now than in any time in history so whats the definitive yes/no?

Yes we do have more information now than any other time in history. Which is why atheism is gaining ground.

 

[OverVolt]

These were his words "but you've never given an answer beyond the rules god made for us don't apply to him"

And that's basically what you said after over a page of going back and forth. How is that incorrect?

Not one thing that you've said has justified the killing of innocent children. You even said that god could have done something better. YOU said that you don't have an answer as to why god did what he did. What knowledge am I lacking here? If a human did this he would be called a murderer, at best.

Nobody killed anyone...god especially. Its like asking why bad things happen in the world... they just happen. All thats important is how people deal with it and react.

 

[soulcougher73]

Nobody killed anyone...god especially. Its like asking why bad things happen in the world... they just happen. All thats important is how people deal with it and react.

You Christians really need to keep your whackos in check.

 

[OverVolt]

Yes we do have more information now than any other time in history. Which is why atheism is gaining ground.

I don't think its necessarily a good thing you can't fill a spiritual void with research articles. Each has their place and are not to be confused. Science doesn't even try to address the question of if there is a god/creator. Atheist literally "make this shit up."

You can talk about the big bang, Higgs Boson, or evolution, it has nothing to do with god.

 

[OverVolt]

You Christians really need to keep your whackos in check.

How can something you think doesn't exist kill someone? Its so contrived.

 

[Retro Rob]

These were his words "but you've never given an answer beyond the rules god made for us don't apply to him"

You don't have to abide by the rules you give your children no more than God has to abide by the rules he gives his.

As Judge, he has the ability to see the hearts of persons, the future of them, and the inclinations of folks.

These abilities make what he does above reproach.

And that's basically what you said after over a page of going back and forth. How is that incorrect?

Read above.

You even said that god could have done something better. YOU said that you don't have an answer as to why god did what he did.

I'm not sure where I said this. A quote would be fine, and I'm taking about where I said God could have done something "better".

What knowledge am I lacking here? If a human did this he would be called a murderer, at best.

A "human".

 

[soulcougher73]

How can something you think doesn't exist kill someone? Its so contrived.

Anyone else want to take this one for me? My head hurts lol

 

[JD50]

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

So a question... all the religious politics aside, if religion didn't exist for example, would you atheists find it more palatable to believe in a creator/god?

The existence of religion doesn't affect my belief in a creator/god.