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It doesn't trivialize it in the slightest. It's saying, "There's already been violence done. There need not be further violence."
Why do you consider abortion to be "violence", at least from the woman's perspective? I honestly don't understand.
Why do you consider abortion to be "violence", at least from the woman's perspective? I honestly don't understand.
I'm going to give you a hint: Abortion is the women's choice, rape is not.
And you should really ask rape victims what they consider violence. I hope you don't mind getting punched in the face when you try to make your case.
Because it kills her own child.
There are a large number of surgeries that physically remove portions of a person's body. Do you consider those "violent?"Because it kills her own child.
When some crazed lunatic knocks you up you'll be free to make that choice.
Because it kills her own child.
There are a large number of surgeries that physically remove portions of a person's body. Do you consider those "violent?"
Somebody doesn't know how pregnancy happens
I think you're either intentionally or unintentionally conflating the fetus's viewpoint with that of the rape victim.
If she doesn't view it as a child -- or even worse, if she views the potential child as something that will force her to live with and constantly be reminded of the rape -- then how is it "violence" from her perspective? Isn't it actually more of an injury to this person to force her to carry such a fetus to term?
There's a fundamental disconnect here. You will never convince me that a fetus, especially in the early terms of pregnancy, is a "child." I will never convince you that life doesn't begin at conception. We're at an impasse, and it seems fruitless for either of us to waste time on further rhetoric to this end. I disagree with your view, but I support your right to hold it.No, because they don't kill the mother's child.
I'm not in favor of forcing a woman to live with a child conceived in rape. I've made that point clear once already in this thread, and many other times in other threads.
I will add to this response once I get back to work. Taking my son home from the hospital right now.
Okay. So the outrage stems from the idea that abortion isn't violent according to liberals?
That's pretty thin.
I'm not in favor of forcing a woman to live with a child conceived in rape. I've made that point clear once already in this thread, and many other times in other threads.
I will add to this response once I get back to work. Taking my son home from the hospital right now.
So, to what end does one have to go through to prove that they were raped in order to get an abortion? That's where this debate is headed.
Ghetto girl walks into Planned Parenthood - "Yo Mo Fo I need to get an aborshun cause I been raped."
Who decides whether or not she can get an abortion? Her case does not sound legit (to the common man), but she certainly may have been. What is the burden of proof?
To me, the answer is this... Pro Choice. It is obvious to anyone that abortion is not something that someone should be encouraged to do (and it isn't something that is encouraged, just something that is supported). However, the process is already tough enough on the person going through it, that there doesn't need to be additional hoops for the victim. No one encourages the act of abortion. But it is something that should be allowed for those who make the choice.
There's a fundamental disconnect here. You will never convince me that a fetus, especially in the early terms of pregnancy, is a "child." I will never convince you that life doesn't begin at conception. We're at an impasse, and it seems fruitless for either of us to waste time on further rhetoric to this end. I disagree with your view, but I support your right to hold it.
I just hope you can understand how it sounds like this politician was conflating the violence of rape with the violence of abortion, and how wrong that seems to most people.
Planned Parenthood doesn't grab people off the street, hold them down against their will, kicking and screaming, and forcibly kill the child in their womb. It's a voluntary act. You may disagree with it, but to say that the violence of abortion is anything like the violence of rape is incredibly offensive to people who have had to go through the horror of rape.
Okay, sorry. I didn't read the whole thread, mostly because I saw it was full of nehalem spooge.
Hope your son is okay.
So, to what end does one have to go through to prove that they were raped in order to get an abortion? That's where this debate is headed.
Ghetto girl walks into Planned Parenthood - "Yo Mo Fo I need to get an aborshun cause I been raped."
Who decides whether or not she can get an abortion? Her case does not sound legit (to the common man), but she certainly may have been. What is the burden of proof?
To me, the answer is this... Pro Choice. It is obvious to anyone that abortion is not something that someone should be encouraged to do (and it isn't something that is encouraged, just something that is supported). However, the process is already tough enough on the person going through it, that there doesn't need to be additional hoops for the victim. No one encourages the act of abortion. But it is something that should be allowed for those who make the choice.
Ugh! That sucks. Hope your son is feeling better soon.
I think the concept you are not seeing here is that of consent. Rape is considered violent because it is sex without consent. Abortion is a procedure done with consent, so it cannot be considered violent -- the woman is asking to have it done.
Violence need not be non-consensual to be violent, or at least that'd be the argument. Depriving someone of their child, with or without their consent, would be considered violent.
I understand what you're saying, from a purely literal standpoint. But this is a highly emotionally-charged issue.
I'll also point to the phrasing and context used here: "putting more violence onto a woman's body." The word "more" implies an equivalence in the type of "violence" between rape and abortion. And that's what has people upset.