"The rape thing"

[zinfamous]

Perhaps some Republican politicians don't receive orders from on high and actually think for themselves but... oh wait that would contradict 2/3 of this forum's world-view. People can't think for themselves and still come to irrational conclusions. Can't be that.

Actually, I think that is the problem. It has become far too apparent that this is what they think when they think for themselves, and make it public.

In fact, so many of them think this way, collectively, that they have made such thoughts their official party platform.



I find that highly disturbing.

 

[HomerJS]

What behavior am I excusing? The right of people to express opinions and run for office? Gee, how horrible of me. If we do that, then people who express opinions I disagree with might get support and get elected. Holy shit how horrible!

If you had any knowledge of history you'd know we're living in just about the most widespread socially liberal society the modern world has ever seen, and the long-standing trend is more social liberalization, not less. I imagine abortion will cease to be a serious issue within a decade or two, as will gay marriage, and people like you will find some new sky-is-falling cause to cram up your ass.

Damn liberals. Doing such radical things like repealing miscegenation laws

 

[Atomic Playboy]

If you had any knowledge of history you'd know we're living in just about the most widespread socially liberal society the modern world has ever seen, and the long-standing trend is more social liberalization, not less. I imagine abortion will cease to be a serious issue within a decade or two, as will gay marriage, and people like you will find some new sky-is-falling cause to cram up your ass.

Yes, and the way that things progress is by calling people on their bullshit when they say something that would have been unseemly a century ago. If someone says that aborting a fetus conceived in rape is further violence against the woman, we need people to say "No, it isn't, and that's a horrible thing to say." If we let awful sentiments go without criticism, progress will not be made.

 

[UberNeuman]

Actually, I think that is the problem. It has become far too apparent that this is what they think when they think for themselves, and make it public.

In fact, so many of them think this way, collectively, that they have made such thoughts their official party platform.



I find that highly disturbing.

This^

\plus this - Scotty - do you feel the Democratic Party is fairly attacked as 'pro-abortion'?

 

[irishScott]

Yes, and the way that things progress is by calling people on their bullshit when they say something that would have been unseemly a century ago. If someone says that aborting a fetus conceived in rape is further violence against the woman, we need people to say "No, it isn't, and that's a horrible thing to say." If we let awful sentiments go without criticism, progress will not be made.

It's not criticism of the man I'm against, it's the over-generalization of his views to all Republicans. Saying this one guy is a kook is one thing, but you'll have plenty here and elsewhere trying to generalize the sentiment to the entire GOP or anyone remotely associated with the GOP. In fact, I'd bet money you'll see more of that than actual criticism of the man in question.

Hence the Republican witch-hunt I see all too often.

 

[zinfamous]

It's not criticism of the man I'm against, it's the over-generalization of his views to all Republicans. Saying this one guy is a kook is one thing, but you'll have plenty here and elsewhere trying to generalize the sentiment to the entire GOP or anyone remotely associated with the GOP. In fact, I'd bet money you'll see more of that than actual criticism of the man in question.

Hence the Republican witch-hunt I see all too often.

I would agree with you....if republicans didn't vote these views as their official party platform. That was what, 3 days AFTER they all tried to reject Akin for his apparently "vile" comments?


Yeah...no. I'm not going to swallow this indefensible horseshit. If all republicans truly believed these comments and this view were vile, then they would not so openly support them.

 

[LegendKiller]

It's not criticism of the man I'm against, it's the over-generalization of his views to all Republicans. Saying this one guy is a kook is one thing, but you'll have plenty here and elsewhere trying to generalize the sentiment to the entire GOP or anyone remotely associated with the GOP. In fact, I'd bet money you'll see more of that than actual criticism of the man in question.

Hence the Republican witch-hunt I see all too often.

There are far too many people in the Republican party, up to their highest levels, that believe this very same tripe. Whether they do it to pander or if it is core to their religious beliefs, they DO intend to enforce it. It's why they responded so strongly against Akin, because they know how poorly it plays when on the front page, they'd rather just heat the water up slowly than let it boil over.

Why do you think Mittens switched his positions on this? He knows.

 

[irishScott]

This^

\plus this - Scotty - do you feel the Democratic Party is fairly attacked as 'pro-abortion'?

I haven't seen any effective attacks demonizing the Democrats over abortion. The ones I have seen have been dismissed out of hand even by other Republicans. The worst was when my University's Pro-Life Vanguard chapter decided to put up huge (think 6 feet x 4 feet) posters filled with pictures of aborted fetuses on the campus green. Created some buzz around campus, and even some ardently pro-life Republicans I knew criticized it as going too far.

On the flip side, I've lost track of the amount of attacks on Republicans where supporting even the slightest limits on abortion makes one a religious nut, hillbilly, obsolete, morally bankrupt, pro-rapist, and a lot of other stupidly mean words.

In terms of attacks over abortion, I'd say the Democrats are treated far more fairly than Republicans.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

It's not criticism of the man I'm against, it's the over-generalization of his views to all Republicans. Saying this one guy is a kook is one thing, but you'll have plenty here and elsewhere trying to generalize the sentiment to the entire GOP or anyone remotely associated with the GOP. In fact, I'd bet money you'll see more of that than actual criticism of the man in question.

Hence the Republican witch-hunt I see all too often.

Well that's fair. But it also seems that there has been a pattern emerging of legislators saying extremely stupid things about abortion in regards to rape in the past few weeks and months and literally every time it's been a Republican making the comments. It reminds me of that joke: Fox News: Not racist, but number one with racists. The GOP is emerging as a party which may not think women are inferior, but they're number one with people that do.

 

[nehalem256]

Well that's fair. But it also seems that there has been a pattern emerging of legislators saying extremely stupid things about abortion in regards to rape in the past few weeks and months and literally every time it's been a Republican making the comments. It reminds me of that joke: Fox News: Not racist, but number one with racists. The GOP is emerging as a party which may not think women are inferior, but they're number one with people that do.

I think you may be confusing them with Democrats.

You know the party that thinks women need men to pay for their health care, free BC, reproductive choices, etc instead of taking care of themselves.

Which is why single women prefer democrats, but married women prefer Republicans.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I think you may be confusing them with Democrats.

You know the party that thinks women need men to pay for their health care, free BC, reproductive choices, etc instead of taking care of themselves.

Which is why single women prefer democrats, but married women prefer Republicans.

Who are you voting for?

 

[nehalem256]

Who are you voting for?

I intend not to vote.

With choices of the

(a) The hates men party

(b) The OMG TAX CUTS PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why would I?

 

[Phokus]

http://www.republicansforrape.org/

Republicans for Rape needs a lot of updating.

 

[LumbergTech]

I would agree with you....if republicans didn't vote these views as their official party platform. That was what, 3 days AFTER they all tried to reject Akin for his apparently "vile" comments?


Yeah...no. I'm not going to swallow this indefensible horseshit. If all republicans truly believed these comments and this view were vile, then they would not so openly support them.

Exactly..They would man/woman the fuck up and call a spade a spade. Instead, they are willing to try to excuse the behavior just for a chance for Mitt Romney to become president. Wake the fuck up. You wanna criticize liberals for being hypocrites, fine, but how about fucking leading by example?

Don't EXCUSE the comments, and it won't stick when someone tries to tie republicans to them. It is that damn simple.

 

[zinfamous]

I think you may be confusing them with Democrats.

You know the party that thinks women need men to pay for their health care, free BC, reproductive choices, etc instead of taking care of themselves.

Which is why single women prefer democrats, but married women prefer Republicans.

good lord, you really do hate women, don't you?

 

[nehalem256]

good lord, you really do hate women, don't you?

So thinking that independent women should take care of themselves is "hating" them huh?

Wow, you really do think women are inferior.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Damn liberals. Doing such radical things like repealing miscegenation laws

Thats it Your making me ill . I need to increase frequency tio get strength back . I think a 25 % increase in a 1 point move should do nicely . Wake when you get the message

 

[mikeymikec]

lol. when will these asshats learn to not mention the word "rape"?

"Don't say bomb on an airplane"
"Don't say rape if you're a politician"

... sounds like a reasonable rule of thumb

 

[mvbighead]

Exactly..They would man/woman the fuck up and call a spade a spade. Instead, they are willing to try to excuse the behavior just for a chance for Mitt Romney to become president. Wake the fuck up. You wanna criticize liberals for being hypocrites, fine, but how about fucking leading by example?

Don't EXCUSE the comments, and it won't stick when someone tries to tie republicans to them. It is that damn simple.

Pretty much this. It doesn't really stick to a candidate until a candidate says nothing against it.

The general gist is that loud prominent figures are certainly allowed to voice their opinion, but when you get to the top, some clarifications need to be made. The Dem's top guy's position doesn't need defensing, and no one below him that is a part of his party has said something about rape that is reprehensible. The Repub's on the other hand... holeee cow. There's a meme, a news article, and something else created every hour that attacks what someone in their part recently said. It's crazy that these individuals are elected officials.

Simply put, Romney just needs to come out and state his position: "As a Republican, I believe in Pro-Life. I believe that life starts at conception. I believe that terrible circumstances such as rape are indeed the worst situation for conception to occur, but I do not believe that merits the ending of a human life. Abortion should only be optional in such cases where it severely affects the health of the mother."

I would still be against that statement, but it is clear, concise, and is presented in such a way that it proudly presents a view that may not be popular to some, but should not be reprehensible to others. Instead, we get to hear these radicals voice their opinion while the guy at the top just sits idly by.

 

[HomerJS]

I haven't seen any effective attacks demonizing the Democrats over abortion. The ones I have seen have been dismissed out of hand even by other Republicans. The worst was when my University's Pro-Life Vanguard chapter decided to put up huge (think 6 feet x 4 feet) posters filled with pictures of aborted fetuses on the campus green. Created some buzz around campus, and even some ardently pro-life Republicans I knew criticized it as going too far.

On the flip side, I've lost track of the amount of attacks on Republicans where supporting even the slightest limits on abortion makes one a religious nut, hillbilly, obsolete, morally bankrupt, pro-rapist, and a lot of other stupidly mean words.

In terms of attacks over abortion, I'd say the Democrats are treated far more fairly than Republicans.

That's because the Democratic position as Bill Clinton phrashed it "safe, legal and rare" is more inline with the mainstream.

 

[nehalem256]

That's because the Democratic position as Bill Clinton phrashed it "safe, legal and rare" is more inline with the mainstream.

You left out and "paid for by the government". At least according to the 2012 Democratic Platform.

But hey things always sound agreeable when you leave out the parts people disagree with.

 

[HomerJS]

You left out and "paid for by the government". At least according to the 2012 Democratic Platform.

But hey things always sound agreeable when you leave out the parts people disagree with.

I don't have a problem with the govt paying for a poor woman who becomes pregnant from rape to get an abortion.

The platform also states they want to create an environment where abortions become less necessary.

 

[nehalem256]

I don't have a problem with the govt paying for a poor woman who becomes pregnant from rape to get an abortion.

The platform also states they want to create an environment where abortions become less necessary.

Funny, most people do have a problem with the government paying for abortions.

 

[jackstar7]

Funny, most people do have a problem with the government paying for abortions.

You sure on the "most" part?

Regardless, I believe they've made their positions known... so we're good, right?

 

[Juddog]

Funny, most people do have a problem with the government paying for abortions.

Who cares? It's just a medical procedure, same as cutting off a tumor.