The Problem With Europe

[biostud]

Originally posted by: piasabird

The European Union seems to be hell-bent to run everything their way or no way at all. Whatever the US tries to do they decide to do something differently because they resent the US telling them what to do.

this also happens the other way around

European countries have a great advantage in that their countries are smaller and easier to manage. Unlike Europe USA is a collection of states in a union. Compared to Europe you can see how hard it is to make any laws that all the states agree upon in the USA. However, a smaller country can have mostly federal laws that apply to everyone.

Europeans can make laws that only effect what is going on inside each country, but most of the laws are actually made in the EU and then afterwards they just need to be transcripted into national laws of the different countries. So all the laws made in EU ATM needs 100% agreement from the countries, so it's not very easy to make these laws.

The thought of thinking Europe as a unity is actually very far from the truth.....well some of it. In foreign aspect we don't act as a unity. I think that many US citizens forget that the support for the Iraq war was around 50/50, atleast on governmental level. England and Italy as some of the largest countries, but several smaller countries also supported the war. We are not one, as US is.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So Czar, how does it feel to be Elite? How about that. I thought you were Lifer like me.

We have crazy people here in the US, eh?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Well that was a pretty interesting yet pretty worthless post from the OP.

Some here are still pissed off that Europe stood out of the Iraq mess while we jumped in head first.

But some European countries were/are involved with Iraq.

You mean the Coalition of the Leaving?

Noones leaving. The countries set time limits on when they will pull their troops out of Iraq and they are just following thru.

so are you saying that they aren't leaving, and are actually in fact staying?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: cwjerome
There's a problem in Old Europe. The Euro-Elites are facing a great obstacle they so wish to
subdue. They are not threatened by radical Islamic extremism, an empowered Russia, or anything
else like that... they reserve their greatest fear and loathing for their great nemesis the
United States. Allied with our own homegrown Elites, they hope to remake America in their own
image, and are engaged in a serious battle to make this happen.

No, but if you could keep your politics on US soil we wouldn't bother. The brutal way of doing foreign policy the current government is doing is a thread to as all, therefor we speak against it. Unfortunately your current government has closed its ears and eyes to warning from friends and allies. We use the spoken word to warn you of your dangerous path, you call us "old europe" to mock us.

The problem stems from a tradition, a culture in Europe, that breeds Elitism and fosters a
general dislike for the qualities that make the United States great. These fundamental
differences between old and new world are emerging at a time when such differences are magnified
by the current international issues. They are worth observing.

What qualities make US great, War mongering? Pollution? neglecting human rights? as a US citizen I'm sure you're happy for you life and that's fine. What you don't seem to understand is that many people suffer from the US foreign policy, I know to you they don't really counts as they aren't US citizen. If you're not willing to listen to how people who are affected by the policy think of it, I don't blame you for your views.

The culture of Europe has been dominated by a long history of serfdom and tribalism. These caste
systems, national and local chauvinism, rule of brute force, control by elites, and endless
bloody wars has resulted in a dominant culture that is essentially neo-fuedalistic. Europeans
are disarmed in the face of authoritarianism... they may hate it, in fundamentally these see
themselves as wrong and state right. An American would rebel from the bottom of his soul...
defiance, not obediance, is the American answer to overbearing authority.

RULE OF BRUTE FORCE?????? you are blaming europeans for this??????? HAHAHAHAHAHA
I wonder why US need so many weapons and military if not for the rule of brute force. I guess you're willing to fight for what you belive in but are you willing to use diplomacy, thought and dialogue? Are you willing to let people live who want to live different than you? I doubt it. That is eliteism at a gun point, live like us or die trying defending you from our way.

The history of the US is not the same as Europe and has bred a much different animal. In America
old ideas of creed, nationality, or class had little bearing. Independence, a pioneer spirit,
self-sufficiency, risk-taking, direct action and innovation were guiding concepts. Americans
loved rough-hewn heroes who stand up for their beliefs and possess a clear vision of what they
want. We love mavericks. We're skeptical of authority, democratic by instinct, and
entrepreneurial by choice. Over there, the 'Ideal Man' was a scholarly, aristocratic gentlemen
of leisure... over here Teddy Roosevely was our hero, over there it was Friedrich Nietszche.

Exactly.....posses a clear vision.....The most dangerous of all. Every dictator in the world have had a clear vision and stood up for it. And you're not skepitcal of authority, you love big business, your president, NRAA, God, your military, your police etc. all some of the strongest authorities, you just don't call it authorities as the are "on your side".

In Europe festered the remanants of an pre-Enlightenment past, living off of faded glories and
newfound envy. Today this clash is pushed to the forefront. With the Elites (the modern day
equivelent of Lords) firmly in power in politics, the media, entertainment, schools, and
business, and the masses (the modern day equivelent of the loyal serf), Europe has made it a
priority to oppose and despise the United States because of who we are: The can-do culture
versus the can't-face-doing crowd. There is no doubt in which society stands to lose.

So the elite doesn't run America....HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Your democracy is an oligarki with few rich families and business men running the whole sherade. Will you ever see a president who isn't backed up with huge amount of money? The rich and powerfull buy their president candidate, the poor will never stand a chance as the have to have two jobs to pay for their living. Will any of these modern slaves ever have time and energy to speak their mind?

They are repulsed by our guns, our religion, and our power. We are bullies and cowboys. We have
the death penalty, limited government, and drive SUVs. There is a desperate desire to force us
to change our ways, because that's what Elite's do... after all, they always know what's best.
They don't understand us, and what they don't understand they treat with contempt. They are
bitter over their decay, low growth rates, unemployment, loss of power and prestige, and it's
the easy way out to point fingers at the dynamic engine of power and progress.

No we don't understand a people with so little compasion and respect for others. We don't understand a people that worship death and destruction and still claims to be Christian. Your largest industry is your military, how the fvck can you admire a people who have war as their primary concern.

The Europeans can't speak softly and carry a big stick, so they scream constantly with a twig in
hand... and I'm supposed to change for them. I'd rather be hated but right.

You claim to be right. I say you're not. How do we solve this?

I guess you would solve this by pulling your gun and force me to belive in this sh!t.

PS. This isn't my view of america and I apologize to those who I have offended, but I just needed to vent over this sterotype rambling. I did the same, it felt good and now I'm ready to move on

I wish your views were more representative than his in this country. All I can say that I do what I can to prevent his ilk from taking over completely. It's hard though. It's looking more like Germany in the 20's here all the time.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So Czar, how does it feel to be Elite? How about that. I thought you were Lifer like me.

We have crazy people here in the US, eh?

yeah its pretty sweet being on that side of the ocean, alot of sp.. no wait.. its pretty sweet being in the smack middle of the ocean with the rest of the elites, makes us feel special

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
There's a problem in Old Europe. The Euro-Elites are facing a great obstacle they so wish to
subdue. They are not threatened by radical Islamic extremism, an empowered Russia, or anything
else like that... they reserve their greatest fear and loathing for their great nemesis the
United States. Allied with our own homegrown Elites, they hope to remake America in their own
image, and are engaged in a serious battle to make this happen.

The problem stems from a tradition, a culture in Europe, that breeds Elitism and fosters a
general dislike for the qualities that make the United States great. These fundamental
differences between old and new world are emerging at a time when such differences are magnified
by the current international issues. They are worth observing.

The culture of Europe has been dominated by a long history of serfdom and tribalism. These caste
systems, national and local chauvinism, rule of brute force, control by elites, and endless
bloody wars has resulted in a dominant culture that is essentially neo-fuedalistic. Europeans
are disarmed in the face of authoritarianism... they may hate it, in fundamentally these see
themselves as wrong and state right. An American would rebel from the bottom of his soul...
defiance, not obediance, is the American answer to overbearing authority.

The history of the US is not the same as Europe and has bred a much different animal. In America
old ideas of creed, nationality, or class had little bearing. Independence, a pioneer spirit,
self-sufficiency, risk-taking, direct action and innovation were guiding concepts. Americans
loved rough-hewn heroes who stand up for their beliefs and possess a clear vision of what they
want. We love mavericks. We're skeptical of authority, democratic by instinct, and
entrepreneurial by choice. Over there, the 'Ideal Man' was a scholarly, aristocratic gentlemen
of leisure... over here Teddy Roosevely was our hero, over there it was Friedrich Nietszche.

In Europe festered the remanants of an pre-Enlightenment past, living off of faded glories and
newfound envy. Today this clash is pushed to the forefront. With the Elites (the modern day
equivelent of Lords) firmly in power in politics, the media, entertainment, schools, and
business, and the masses (the modern day equivelent of the loyal serf), Europe has made it a
priority to oppose and despise the United States because of who we are: The can-do culture
versus the can't-face-doing crowd. There is no doubt in which society stands to lose.

They are repulsed by our guns, our religion, and our power. We are bullies and cowboys. We have
the death penalty, limited government, and drive SUVs. There is a desperate desire to force us
to change our ways, because that's what Elite's do... after all, they always know what's best.
They don't understand us, and what they don't understand they treat with contempt. They are
bitter over their decay, low growth rates, unemployment, loss of power and prestige, and it's
the easy way out to point fingers at the dynamic engine of power and progress.

The Europeans can't speak softly and carry a big stick, so they scream constantly with a twig in
hand... and I'm supposed to change for them. I'd rather be hated but right.

Damn, you are good!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: cwjerome
There's a problem in Old Europe. The Euro-Elites are facing a great obstacle they so wish to
subdue. They are not threatened by radical Islamic extremism, an empowered Russia, or anything
else like that... they reserve their greatest fear and loathing for their great nemesis the
United States. Allied with our own homegrown Elites, they hope to remake America in their own
image, and are engaged in a serious battle to make this happen.

The problem stems from a tradition, a culture in Europe, that breeds Elitism and fosters a
general dislike for the qualities that make the United States great. These fundamental
differences between old and new world are emerging at a time when such differences are magnified
by the current international issues. They are worth observing.

The culture of Europe has been dominated by a long history of serfdom and tribalism. These caste
systems, national and local chauvinism, rule of brute force, control by elites, and endless
bloody wars has resulted in a dominant culture that is essentially neo-fuedalistic. Europeans
are disarmed in the face of authoritarianism... they may hate it, in fundamentally these see
themselves as wrong and state right. An American would rebel from the bottom of his soul...
defiance, not obediance, is the American answer to overbearing authority.

The history of the US is not the same as Europe and has bred a much different animal. In America
old ideas of creed, nationality, or class had little bearing. Independence, a pioneer spirit,
self-sufficiency, risk-taking, direct action and innovation were guiding concepts. Americans
loved rough-hewn heroes who stand up for their beliefs and possess a clear vision of what they
want. We love mavericks. We're skeptical of authority, democratic by instinct, and
entrepreneurial by choice. Over there, the 'Ideal Man' was a scholarly, aristocratic gentlemen
of leisure... over here Teddy Roosevely was our hero, over there it was Friedrich Nietszche.

In Europe festered the remanants of an pre-Enlightenment past, living off of faded glories and
newfound envy. Today this clash is pushed to the forefront. With the Elites (the modern day
equivelent of Lords) firmly in power in politics, the media, entertainment, schools, and
business, and the masses (the modern day equivelent of the loyal serf), Europe has made it a
priority to oppose and despise the United States because of who we are: The can-do culture
versus the can't-face-doing crowd. There is no doubt in which society stands to lose.

They are repulsed by our guns, our religion, and our power. We are bullies and cowboys. We have
the death penalty, limited government, and drive SUVs. There is a desperate desire to force us
to change our ways, because that's what Elite's do... after all, they always know what's best.
They don't understand us, and what they don't understand they treat with contempt. They are
bitter over their decay, low growth rates, unemployment, loss of power and prestige, and it's
the easy way out to point fingers at the dynamic engine of power and progress.

The Europeans can't speak softly and carry a big stick, so they scream constantly with a twig in
hand... and I'm supposed to change for them. I'd rather be hated but right.

Damn, you are good!

I agree. He is good. That hardly recommends him though.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: ForThePeople

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Long rant...

My first question to you is whether you have ever lived in Europe? Or speak any other languages (ie German, French, etc).

My second is more a statement of facts.

Europe is quickly becoming more economically viable than America. It's no accident that the Euro is stronger than the dollar and that they can come here and easily outspend Americans with their 35% discount.

You do realize that we are a country of importers, like Europe, and that we both import all of our stuff from China?

And that the quality of life is markedly better in some European countries than in a lot of single industry town red America?

I think this is just a pre-packaged anti-European rant from some Bible Belter who has never left his own country.

I lived there and I can you that your rant is ridiculous and that the power of the European economy is just beginning to eclipse ours.

It's no accident that the major cell phone company is Swedish (Nokia), that the best machinery and mechanical know-how is German and Swiss, and that all of our American drugs are manufactured in Swiss labs.

Europe is a continent of literate, science loving people. I doubt most Americans could pass the exams required for even a high school degree in Europe.

We're just a bunch of gun and Jesus loving fat people addicted to imported electronics and foreign oil. Or at least you red staters are.

Last year when I was having dinner at a sidewalk cafe in Wein, the waiter (European) asks me where we were from. I said that we lived in Kiev. He then asks me how I liked living in Russia! How's that for informed? I informed him that Ukraine had been independent since 1992 and he seemed surprised. Been there and done that. Europe is pompous and the people are elitists. Ya gavial po-russkie e yo hable espanol - so there! I'm not a linguist, but can get along in several languages and recognize the OP's post as being pretty on target.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: Condor

Last year when I was having dinner at a sidewalk cafe in Wein, the waiter (European) asks me where we were from. I said that we lived in Kiev. He then asks me how I liked living in Russia! How's that for informed? I informed him that Ukraine had been independent since 1992 and he seemed surprised. Been there and done that. Europe is pompous and the people are elitists. Ya gavial po-russkie e yo hable espanol - so there! I'm not a linguist, but can get along in several languages and recognize the OP's post as being pretty on target.

thats not pompous elitism thats ignorance, ask that question to most of your statesmen and they'll go blank wondering where the hell Kiiieeevv?? is

/see I can paint with broad strokes too

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: Condor

Last year when I was having dinner at a sidewalk cafe in Wein, the waiter (European) asks me where we were from. I said that we lived in Kiev. He then asks me how I liked living in Russia! How's that for informed? I informed him that Ukraine had been independent since 1992 and he seemed surprised. Been there and done that. Europe is pompous and the people are elitists. Ya gavial po-russkie e yo hable espanol - so there! I'm not a linguist, but can get along in several languages and recognize the OP's post as being pretty on target.

thats not pompous elitism thats ignorance, ask that question to most of your statesmen and they'll go blank wondering where the hell Kiiieeevv?? is

/see I can paint with broad strokes too

Most of our statesmen would know exactly where it is. They would call it "The Ukraine" though. They know where it is so that they can avoid it.

Oh, the previous post was only one example. European are nice people and we saw plenty of that as well. They just haven't earned elitism. They ruled the world and lost it.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Condor
Most of our statesmen would know exactly where it is. They would call it "The Ukraine" though. They know where it is so that they can avoid it.

That's an assumption. Not fact.

I've met my share of stupid people both in europe and the U.S who would indeed not know where the fvck it is.

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: Condor

Last year when I was having dinner at a sidewalk cafe in Wein, the waiter (European) asks me where we were from. I said that we lived in Kiev. He then asks me how I liked living in Russia! How's that for informed? I informed him that Ukraine had been independent since 1992 and he seemed surprised. Been there and done that. Europe is pompous and the people are elitists. Ya gavial po-russkie e yo hable espanol - so there! I'm not a linguist, but can get along in several languages and recognize the OP's post as being pretty on target.

thats not pompous elitism thats ignorance, ask that question to most of your statesmen and they'll go blank wondering where the hell Kiiieeevv?? is

/see I can paint with broad strokes too

Most of our statesmen would know exactly where it is. They would call it "The Ukraine" though. They know where it is so that they can avoid it.

Oh, the previous post was only one example. European are nice people and we saw plenty of that as well. They just haven't earned elitism. They ruled the world and lost it.

How about most of our food service workers?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: ForThePeople

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Long rant...

My first question to you is whether you have ever lived in Europe? Or speak any other languages (ie German, French, etc).

My second is more a statement of facts.

Europe is quickly becoming more economically viable than America. It's no accident that the Euro is stronger than the dollar and that they can come here and easily outspend Americans with their 35% discount.

You do realize that we are a country of importers, like Europe, and that we both import all of our stuff from China?

And that the quality of life is markedly better in some European countries than in a lot of single industry town red America?

I think this is just a pre-packaged anti-European rant from some Bible Belter who has never left his own country.

I lived there and I can you that your rant is ridiculous and that the power of the European economy is just beginning to eclipse ours.

It's no accident that the major cell phone company is Swedish (Nokia), that the best machinery and mechanical know-how is German and Swiss, and that all of our American drugs are manufactured in Swiss labs.

Europe is a continent of literate, science loving people. I doubt most Americans could pass the exams required for even a high school degree in Europe.

We're just a bunch of gun and Jesus loving fat people addicted to imported electronics and foreign oil. Or at least you red staters are.

Last year when I was having dinner at a sidewalk cafe in Wein, the waiter (European) asks me where we were from. I said that we lived in Kiev. He then asks me how I liked living in Russia! How's that for informed? I informed him that Ukraine had been independent since 1992 and he seemed surprised. Been there and done that. Europe is pompous and the people are elitists. Ya gavial po-russkie e yo hable espanol - so there! I'm not a linguist, but can get along in several languages and recognize the OP's post as being pretty on target.

I see a broad rant that I can make equally well about Americans being the neofacist of the day bent on world domination at the point of a gun. I can back it up with examples of assholes. In fact I believe I can make a more convincing argument that we are a self righteous world eating society than he did on his Euro bashing.

Would it be right? Who cares? It's not facts we are after. It's about "lookin' good!"

A more factual representation is that the Europeans and American are diverging because our agendas have changed. Europe no longer needs the US, and we hardly ever really needed them. We have become more militaristic, they have not yet returned to that, probably because what happened in Europe makes 9/11 look like a picnic. They know what war does better than we do. I expect that over time with other powers extending their philosophies and interests more violently this will change, as it is the world over. That's an aside though.

The OP demonstrated that he can elevate himself by making others seem smaller. He isn't any better in reality, but it sounds good.

I have heard the like before, and ironically in European countries about 70 to 80 years ago.

Simply he hates the Europeans and spouts hyperboles.

There is nothing like critical thinking, and there is certainly nothing like critical thinking in the OP

 

[imported_Condor]

/see I can paint with broad strokes too

I prefer that to sinking into the swamp of pedantic dialog and minutiae.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Condor
/see I can paint with broad strokes too

I prefer that to sinking into the swamp of pedantic dialog and minutiae.

I prefer substance over style.

To each their own.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Condor


Most of our statesmen would know exactly where it is. They would call it "The Ukraine" though. They know where it is so that they can avoid it.

Oh, the previous post was only one example. European are nice people and we saw plenty of that as well. They just haven't earned elitism. They ruled the world and lost it.

Everybody can't know everything. For me the term "eliteism" is more of an idea than actually knowledge. It's some well educated people uses scientific reports, philosophy and different theories to make the "perfect society". As they see the world is not black and white and lot of counter interests must be balanced, the laws and ruling of the countries get very complex. Every time you think something is pretty straitforward, they will keep finding arguments that counter your view. Not because the disagree with you, but because they know that you always need to see it from many sides. So since the world is very complex, only people who have an education in which they've learned how to deal with complex situations are fit to rule it.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Where an I complaining about people stating that America 'sux'? I always state that it's a good thing to have people to be critical, yet many supremacists cannot accept criticism of something they are somewhat related to. Where did you even get the idea that hate against Americans is racism? I never even said anything like that in my post (the first one)... I didn't even refer to America in it!

What is the 'racism' remark based on then? Hate in Europe is currently strongly focussed on Muslim fundamentalists and Bush.

All minorities. Europe is freedom for the majority, not the minority. I don't care if they hate Bush, I hate him myself.

LOL, many European countries support, train, equip, etc. these regimes. The US equipped and trained the Taliban? LOL

Ever heard of the CIA?

Yes I have. I suggest you read your own link, which on the surface barely even seems credible, but I suggest you still read it. The funny thing is that you're so uninformed that you don't know about all the colonialist tendencies of Europe that are around today. You probably think that no European country supports dictatorship regimes and they spread peace all around the world.

Most people in the world have problems with the European sense of supremacy. Rarely criticize themselves, compeltely uninformed about their own government's activities, bully others, etc.

Hahaha... I think that should read 'American' rather than 'European'. You can't be that dumb, now can you?

Nope, it should read European. YOu can't be that d umb, now can you?

 

[CanOWorms]

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[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Most people in the world have problems with the European sense of supremacy. Rarely criticize themselves, compeltely uninformed about their own government's activities, bully others, etc.

"sense of supremacy"? Uh, that line of thinking pretty much died in the 80s around the same time the USSR started falling appart. I've traveled quiet a bit and talked to people here in europe and in the U.S and I can tell you that they aren't all that different. Most people are just going about there lives. You seem to be picking out the extremes and then painting all of europe as some kind of den of rasists and bigots. But it doesn't really surprise me. You like to over-generalize now a days. Ignoring the fact that europe isn't one country, but a continent with many different countries and places. Some bad some good.

Yes, most people everywhere are just going about their lives and such. However, Europe has a significant and dangeorus amount of racism/xenophobia/discrimination that's almost at a boiling point. Statistics show this. By downplaying it (and refusal of Europeans to criticize it) is contributing to the problem.

But I agree with you that there's still some rasism in europe. Hell, there's still rasism in the U.S as well. And this needs to be fixed. People need to be more tolerant of others. But from my point of view, rasism is in decline (At least in the places I've lived). Quite frankly, the view you have of europe seems to be somewhat distorted and based on how peoples mindset was in the 80s or before.

There's not some racism in Europe, it's an absurd amount that is a major influence on their governments. If you think racism is declining in Europe you must not be reading the news much.

As for reform or changes. Most european countires now a days have either reformed or are in the process. Though the countries that were part of the USSR are still lagging behind a bit.

Reforming for the worse, yes.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
If you think racism is declining in Europe you must not be reading the news much.

I don't have to read the news to see that it's in decline in the area where I live (Or have lived in). I live there. But that doesn't mean that there aren't areas where it's getting worse. It really depends on the country. It might help if you pointed out the countries in question, rather then use the broad 'europe' label.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
If you think racism is declining in Europe you must not be reading the news much.

I don't have to read the news to see that it's in decline in the area where I live (Or have lived in). I live there. But that doesn't mean that there aren't areas where it's getting worse. It really depends on the country. It might help if you pointed out the countries in question, rather then use the broad 'europe' label.

Well, I lived in Alabama and I never experienced anything negative there, but I wouldn't use my experiences as some sort of factor.

I'd think that it has gotten worse in all countries in Europe. The racist far-right is on the rise all over Europe and their policies are being adopted in the mainstream. I'm talking about Europe overall.. you can always split something up to smaller divisions.

 

[Colt45]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo


what side of the cold war was europe on eh?

You are a fvcking idiot. it was half and half.

NATO and Warsaw pact. ever heard of either?

 

[RabidMongoose]

frankly your hands are far dirtier then you'd admit, and thats the problem. hell...most of the problems stem from europe to begin with. time to stfu with the whole moral superiorty act.

Yes, it's time for Europeans to drop the moral superiority act. I'm not sure how they can even have a sense of moral superiority when they raped the entire world a million times over, resulting in most of today's problems coming from Europe.

I suppose that now that these European countries have significantly dropped in importance and global reach, they feel that they are a 'moral superpower' now. The sad thing is that apparently many Europeans believe it. It's pathetic how blind many Americans and Europeans are - these people actually believe that their countries are purely benevolent countries. Even more sad is how many Europeans are completely focused on the US yet apparently spend almost no time learning about what their own country and their neighbors are doing. Forsythe is a perfect example of this. Every post I read from him reinforces my thought that he is just some 16 year old Danish kid that has no idea about anything in the world.

I simply cannot believe that many Europeans seem to believe that their general area has not supported any dictators, cruel regimes, etc. or sold weapons and weapon systems to horrible countries. Instead they spend all of their time centered around the US while completely ignoring what their own area does, which results in a hilariously ridiculous aura of moral superiority.

 

[Colt45]

Originally posted by: piasabird
However, Europe was destroyed from within, and we could have done nothing about Kosavo and it would probably have escalated and caused a third world war.

Bullshit. The only thing that would have happened is all the albanians would have gotten kicked out of kosovo.


edit: err.. not all Albanians, the KLA and it's supporters, rather. Not the albos that live peacefully with serbs and gypsies and etc..

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
If you think racism is declining in Europe you must not be reading the news much.

I don't have to read the news to see that it's in decline in the area where I live (Or have lived in). I live there. But that doesn't mean that there aren't areas where it's getting worse. It really depends on the country. It might help if you pointed out the countries in question, rather then use the broad 'europe' label.

CanOWorms, what are these stats you are talking about for racism in Europe? Have you been there for more than six months at a time (not including military service)?