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The Pharmaceutical Companies are Evil

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spidey07 said:
It is illegal to market a drug for illnesses it doesn't treat. Same for pushing docs to do the same.
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Oh yes, it seems to be the case that todays medicines against psychiatric disorders are just as useless as the medicines developed in the 1950s. But the new modern ones are more expensive...
 
Blackjack200 said:
I didn't say anything because everyone always brings it when he posts, and it derails the thread.

...but I did notice.
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You mean the threads that he makes about his patients? Or the ones where he has a clear ulterior motive to post some of the stuff he does, and then gets offended when people call him on it ("what, making doctors look bad is beneficial to making chiropractors look better?"), and then gets downright nasty when people point out chiro has proven to be just as bad? Or the ones where he uses logic that can only be described as incredible fail (see any vaccine thread he posts in basically)?

At best, its disingenuous when he posts articles criticizing the bullshit in other fields and then brushes off (he usually just tries to ignore it, after learning how badly he gets his ass handed when he tries to defend it) the extensive amount present in his own.

Keep in mind I'm not saying his criticisms are necessarily invalid, in fact there's plenty that I think everyone agrees with him on, but he often has a poor way of actually addressing it, and his past posting history doesn't help.
 
spidey07 said:
It is illegal to market a drug for illnesses it doesn't treat. Same for pushing docs to do the same.
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It is illegal to exceed the posted speed limit on public motorways. Same for jaywalking.

Therefore we can conclude that nobody speeds or jaywalks, and everybody that speeds or jaywalks always gets caught and prosecuted.
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
Your implication, of course, is nonsense. There's nothing illegitimate about seeking actually necessary medications from companies that foist other unnecessary medications on a suggestible public.


To suggest we should not concern ourselves with the proliferation of questionable pharmaceutical remedies simply because some pharmaceutical companies have produced widely necessary medications is actual lunacy. You might as well try to argue that Jeffrey Dahmer should be acquitted because he helped an old lady take out her trash once. Bad people and bad companies can still do good things, but that doesn't mean we should not pay attention to when they may do bad things.

Of course, if you're a raving lunatic Republican like spidey07 the subtlties of rational thinking certainly elude you.
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hey we democrats to stupidest shit too. check out who's supporting the senate bill for "food safety".
 
pharmaceutical companies saved my brothers life. My brother had the fortune of being born with two forms of diabetes (juvenile and another form that affects how the brain regulates electrolytes)...a very rare combo. He was in a coma and was on deaths door after the Docs threw everything they could at him. Finally, in desperation they got a hold of a new medicine, DDAVP...just clearing clinical trials. We were told, two nights in a row, to say our last goodbyes...

Then the DDAVP kicked in...withing days he was out of his 8 week coma and on his way to recovery. Gave me and my family 12 more years of my brother, 12 years we wouldn't have had if not for pharmaceutical companies...my brother and his dr's were pioneers in the of DDAVP/desmopressin for the treatment of his condition.
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
It is illegal to exceed the posted speed limit on public motorways. Same for jaywalking.

Therefore we can conclude that nobody speeds or jaywalks, and everybody that speeds or jaywalks always gets caught and prosecuted.
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The FDA aggressively goes after any drug marketing for symptoms or disease it is not meant to treat or tested for.
 
SunnyD said:
And many people feel the same about alternative "techniques" that claim to cure anything that ails the human body and/or soul. Sorry chap, cracking my back isn't going to cure cancer.
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you don't read very much of what i write, do you? because if you did you would know that i don't believe that chiropractic can a cure cancer or really anything else for that matter. I think that even medicine's limited in things it cures, too. It's a phrase that's used too loosely.
 
Marketing drugs directly to people who don't need them is evil. Anytime someone asks their doctor for a specific drug, something deeply fucked up is going on.

Nobody sane would argue that modern medicine is bunk, or that peoples lives aren't saved by pharmaceuticals. Nobody sane is arguing that for-profit drug companies don't produce wonders for society. However, the ways they're allowed to go about their business (and the ways they choose to do so) are definitely wrong.
 
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disappoint said:
hehehe...
wait were you serious?
Are you INSANE son?

You're essentially saying making money is more important than peoples lives. Here's a clue for the unethical scumbags like you:

It's not up to the people who do not have medical degrees to decide what drug to take for their illness. It's unethical for pharma companies to bribe doctors to prescribe their drug especially for an illness it does not treat.
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This
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
Cool story, bro. 🙄

Too bad it doesn't refute anything I've said.
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yeah, yeah. I get it. Corporations are evil. They're being all corporationy and stuffs.

I can't keep up on what business or industry you guys hate anymore. Telcos, bose, monster, the power company, the water company, the cable company, oil industry, gas industry, big pharma, car insurance, health insurance, shipping companies, walmart, fast food, mcdonalds, pizza company, the food industry, the corn industry, the sugar industry, the fertilizer industry, the ground industry.

You business bashers all sound the same. You're like that old crazy guy across the street that would walk out on his porch and shake his fist at the power company because they were out to screw him.
 
spidey07 said:
The FDA aggressively goes after any drug marketing for symptoms or disease it is not meant to treat or tested for.
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LOL
Not true at all. A close friend of mine since childhood's dad works for the fda... he's told me straight up that there's corruption in the fda all the time. He eats healthy organic foods and exercises all the time because that's the only thing that he knows for sure isn't corrupt. He hardly ever sees a doctor for anything other than a physical exam or infection.

The fact is that they acknowledge when an investigation is necessary on certain less, but big pharma bribes them to drag their feet on it.
 
lothar said:
You think pharmaceutical companies are evil?
Chiropractors are even worse.
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Some are bad, but there are some pretty good chiropractors out there as well. I was involved in an accident 15 years ago, went to a chiro for back and neck issues and he fixed me up pretty good.
 
Electric Amish said:
I work for a Pharmaceutical company. I don't think it is any more or less evil than any other corporation.

IMO, the Medical Insurance agencies are much more evil.
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The first one is responsible for something like 42% of total healthcare cost increases as well as directly responsible for cost increases in the other field, the second one isn't.
 
sactoking said:
The first one is responsible for something like 42% of total healthcare cost increases as well as directly responsible for cost increases in the other field, the second one isn't.
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Due to FDA requirements and regulations, it may cost 100's of millions to billions of dollars to develop a single drug then 10-20% of those drugs will even make it to market.

In other countries, drug approval is less stringent and you'll see some of these drugs appear in Canada, Europe, etc years before they are released in the US.
 
For all those criticizing chiropractic care, stop trying to change the subject.

Medical mistakes are the third leading cause of all deaths in America. You think that's how it was before big pharmacy kept making these pointless meds?
 
LtPage1 said:
Marketing drugs directly to people who don't need them is evil. Anytime someone asks their doctor for a specific drug, something deeply fucked up is going on.

Nobody sane would argue that modern medicine is bunk, or that peoples lives aren't saved by pharmaceuticals. Nobody sane is arguing that for-profit drug companies don't produce wonders for society. However, the ways they're allowed to go about their business (and the ways they choose to do so) are definitely wrong.
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Yeah, there's a lot of good that comes from modern health care, but there's plenty of bad as well. The problem is, there's so many issues that getting good regular medical care is not financially feasible for way too many people.
 
eits said:
For all those criticizing chiropractic care, stop trying to change the subject.

Medical mistakes are the third leading cause of all deaths in America. You think that's how it was before big pharmacy kept making these pointless meds?
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Are those 1/3 of medical mistakes due to medications? No. Blame the medical profession.
 
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