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Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
Dum Bass .....


Police: Gerald Gilrane, 21, arrested after shooting himself in the hand while manufacturing ghost guns in Massapequa home

www.cbsnews.com.ico
CBS News|20 minutes ago
MINEOLA, N.Y. - A 21-year-old Long Island man living with his parents is accused of building 3D ghost guns. They were called to their Massapequa house Saturday. As CBS2's Carolyn Gusoff reports, police say he shot himself cleaning one of his homemade guns.
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Lol, out on bail. Wtf man
 
Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
Dum Bass .....


Police: Gerald Gilrane, 21, arrested after shooting himself in the hand while manufacturing ghost guns in Massapequa home

www.cbsnews.com.ico
CBS News|20 minutes ago
MINEOLA, N.Y. - A 21-year-old Long Island man living with his parents is accused of building 3D ghost guns. They were called to their Massapequa house Saturday. As CBS2's Carolyn Gusoff reports, police say he shot himself cleaning one of his homemade guns.
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That witless dope is an for a legal world of hurt.
In NYS too.. Oh so screwed.

These guns are rather stupid. Experiment showing proof of concept, but don't make any practical sense. Dumb fool
 
Captante said:
NRA myth: The NRA says having more guns makes people safer.

Fact: Gun ownership is directly linked to higher instances of gun violence.

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That kind of fake news should no be allowed to be reported. Just like no data can be collected.
 
Captante said:
NRA myth: The NRA says having more guns makes people safer.

Fact: Gun ownership is directly linked to higher instances of gun violence.

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Suppose that is so. What do we do? Suppose we could magically eliminate all guns. Would that eliminate suicide, assaults and murder? Would men suddenly stop murdering their partners? Would people be any less indifferent to being responsible toward others? And if your chances of harm go up 5% using a gun in self defense, how much do the chances of the attacker go up of being shot?

Always and with everything we never look at ourselves but seek some hallucination like banning guns to solve what we will never personally face, that the violence we seek to prevent happening to us is a product we create ourselves. We live in and worship a sick culture and it has made us as sick as we have made it. We are filled with self hate, don’t know it, don’t want to know it, and don’t want to know we don’t want to know. We just pretend the fault is somewhere else and we know how to fix it.

We will all let the world die because we do not want to feel our pain.
 
Moonbeam said:
Suppose that is so. What do we do? Suppose we could magically eliminate all guns. Would that eliminate suicide, assaults and murder? Would men suddenly stop murdering their partners? Would people be any less indifferent to being responsible toward others? And if your chances of harm go up 5% using a gun in self defense, how much do the chances of the attacker go up of being shot?

Always and with everything we never look at ourselves but seek some hallucination like banning guns to solve what we will never personally face, that the violence we seek to prevent happening to us is a product we create ourselves. We live in and worship a sick culture and it has made us as sick as we have made it. We are filled with self hate, don’t know it, don’t want to know it, and don’t want to know we don’t want to know. We just pretend the fault is somewhere else and we know how to fix it.

We will all let the world die because we do not want to feel our pain.
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Purely based on the numbers you are nearly TWICE as likely to be shot with your own gun after it gets taken away from you/stolen then you are to EVER use it for self-defense.

Guns are very effective tools and serve an invaluable purpose in the hands of folks with proper training in use of weapons. (and no, simply knowing how to clean/load/operate your gun and hit a target are NOT sufficient training)

For most "average Joe's" daily-carrying a weapon is akin to playing around with a sharp knife.

 
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Captante said:
Purely based on the numbers you are nearly TWICE as likely to be shot with your own gun after it gets taken away from you then you are to EVER use it for self-defense.

Guns are very effective tools and serve an invaluable purpose in the hands of folks with proper training in use of weapons. (and no, simply knowing how to clean your gun and hit a target are NOT sufficient)

For most "average Joe's" daily-carrying a weapon is akin to playing around with a sharp knife.
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Get out here with those pesky numbers. Nothing we can do *shrug*
 
ch33zw1z said:
Get out here with those pesky numbers. Nothing we can do *shrug*
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Not, nothing we can do. Only we will not do what would bring real change, start dealing with the real problems of what causes violence, hopelessness, and indifference to others, our own inner ignorance of what we really feel.
 
ch33zw1z said:
It can be both 😏
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As long as a noisy portion of the left goes after taking gun rights from people unrelated to limiting the unfit from ownership, the right will use guns as a political wedge to fight against even sensible gun regulations. There is a portion of the left fixated on gun violence who has no interest in other people's perceived rights to have them. The tension produced by these two political points of view will insure that not of the really important issues are attended to. It can be both, but the extremes will prevent either. California, for example, has gun laws that make gun owners furious, needlessly. They are passed by people who are deeply biased and ignorant.
 
Moonbeam said:
As long as a noisy portion of the left goes after taking gun rights from people unrelated to limiting the unfit from ownership, the right will use guns as a political wedge to fight against even sensible gun regulations. There is a portion of the left fixated on gun violence who has no interest in other people's perceived rights to have them. The tension produced by these two political points of view will insure that not of the really important issues are attended to. It can be both, but the extremes will prevent either. California, for example, has gun laws that make gun owners furious, needlessly. They are passed by people who are deeply biased and ignorant.
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I mean, we can sit here and blame the left, but it's a really not reality. The small amount of "lefties" who want to bar gun ownership doesn't hold a candle to the enormous amount of ammosexuals in the U.S.

Bottom line is "righties" consider guns deaths, in whatever amount, to be acceptable losses. So again, it doesn't matter what factual numbers you throw out there, the united states as we know will never "solve" their gun violence problem.

I find it odd you don't see this.
 
I wanna ban ammo and the makin's for home loading. Let'em have the pew pews. They can throw'em at each other, but they won't be able to mow down a bunch of innocents.
 
ch33zw1z said:
I mean, we can sit here and blame the left, but it's a really not reality. The small amount of "lefties" who want to bar gun ownership doesn't hold a candle to the enormous amount of ammosexuals in the U.S.

Bottom line is "righties" consider guns deaths, in whatever amount, to be acceptable losses. So again, it doesn't matter what factual numbers you throw out there, the united states as we know will never "solve" their gun violence problem.

I find it odd you don't see this.
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I see it better than you do because I see it at root. Gun violence is just a sub set of the violence created by our mentally ill culture, worshiped by democrats and republicans alike. As long as we grow up in a culture that emphasizes competition as the answer to everything, we will be at each others throats. We survived evolution by being able to compete for resources against other resource users, and now we compete one person against another. We live anonymous lives in islands of loneliness. Children grow up without a place or a purpose in society. We live like animals controlled morally only by law enforcement. I do not find it odd you don’t see this. What ego wants to know what we have become.

PS: There is a cure for this. It envolves awakening.
 
Moonbeam said:
I see it better than you do because I see it at root. Gun violence is just a sub set of the violence created by our mentally ill culture, worshiped by democrats and republicans alike. As long as we grow up in a culture that emphasizes competition as the answer to everything, we will be at each others throats. We survived evolution by being able to compete for resources against other resource users, and now we compete one person against another. We live anonymous lives in islands of loneliness. Children grow up without a place or a purpose in society. We live like animals controlled morally only by law enforcement. I do not find it odd you don’t see this. What ego wants to know what we have become.

PS: There is a cure for this. It envolves awakening.
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Right, nobody can see it like you. /Rolleyes
 
ch33zw1z said:
Right, nobody can see it like you. /Rolleyes
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I figured you'd enjoy me telling you I agree with you more than you do because I better know why you are right than you do. I thought it might help you not to see the sub set thingi since it's what you don't want to see. Meanwhile, what do you want to bet there are loads of people who are much farther along than I am dealing with the violence within.

Edit: Furthermore, you Object to me blaming the left as well as the right, but this is a point you miss because I don't blame anyone. There is simply cause and effect. The truth is hidden because people fear knowing what it is. This is just a fact. Nobody is to blame for this. It is a product of having been raised with accusations of wrong doing and punishment for it. Everybody feels guilty, was made to feel guilty, and blames others now for it. It is programming. You can't blame a machine for being a machine. You can't blame people who have been put down and belittled for feeling defensive when somebody claims to know more than them. You can only see this inwardly within yourself and stop feeding it as real. Before you can change anything you need to see the reality of that need. To blame others is to blame yourself and that will seal your prison. I don't blame you. I don't need to be superior to you. I tell you what I see. Maybe you or someone else will find meaning in it. I do.
 
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Moonbeam said:
I figured you'd enjoy me telling you I agree with you more than you do because I better know why you are right than you do. I thought it might help you not to see the sub set thingi since it's what you don't want to see. Meanwhile, what do you want to bet there are loads of people who are much farther along than I am dealing with the violence within.

Edit: Furthermore, you Object to me blaming the left as well as the right, but this is a point you miss because I don't blame anyone. There is simply cause and effect. The truth is hidden because people fear knowing what it is. This is just a fact. Nobody is to blame for this. It is a product of having been raised with accusations of wrong doing and punishment for it. Everybody feels guilty, was made to feel guilty, and blames others now for it. It is programming. You can't blame a machine for being a machine. You can't blame people who have been put down and belittled for feeling defensive when somebody claims to know more than them. You can only see this inwardly within yourself and stop feeding it as real. Before you can change anything you need to see the reality of that need. To blame others is to blame yourself and that will seal your prison. I don't blame you. I don't need to be superior to you. I tell you what I see. Maybe you or someone else will find meaning in it. I do.
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You didn't blame the right. You blamed the left and framed I as the rights typical "look what you made me do".

What I object to is your version of reality and subsequent blame.

What I object to is your arrogance purportedly resultant from your "enlightened" perception.

America will never stop having a love affair with violence, it always has. Coupled with piles of guns, we get what we deserve.

Feel free to show me where I disagreed that mental well being isn't a problem, maybe you "see it better" also, but quote it.
 
ch33zw1z said:
You didn't blame the right. You blamed the left and framed I as the rights typical "look what you made me do".

What I object to is your version of reality and subsequent blame.

What I object to is your arrogance purportedly resultant from your "enlightened" perception.

America will never stop having a love affair with violence, it always has. Coupled with piles of guns, we get what we deserve.

Feel free to show me where I disagreed that mental well being isn't a problem, maybe you "see it better" also, but quote it.
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Mental well-being isn’t a problem, it is THE PROBLEM. Guns are just one area in which that gets expressed. To try to solve the gun issue by focus on guns is a blind alley to go into. The gun issue can be solved one person at a time by changing the consciousness of people. That is a path we will not go down because we seek to blame anything but our own inner violence for the violence our own ignorance creates.

We are the system and the system is us, a system of competition we worship, where the winners in the system will do nothing to change it because they have focused their hatred on mastering it and the losers focus their hatred on recovering the respect as competitors they feel was stolen from them.

These arewhat I believe to be the facts. There is no one to blame. Blame is what the system we live in produces. It creates the denial of guilt. The denial of guilt keeps the system in place.

To be enlightened, as I use that word, is to be awake to this, to die to the notion one has a right to blame anyone but one’s self as the source that fixes the system in place.

There is nowhere to go, nothing to fix, nothing to become. There is no longer any purpose for ego. Can the ego let go of itself? Can you intentionally give up on blame, hatred, and revenge? Can humanity awaken?

I think we can but it requires a different kind of understanding. And it will cost some sacred cows.

Where there are no answers is within the system itself.
 
Moonbeam said:
I see it better than you do because I see it at root. Gun violence is just a sub set of the violence created by our mentally ill culture, worshiped by democrats and republicans alike. As long as we grow up in a culture that emphasizes competition as the answer to everything, we will be at each others throats. We survived evolution by being able to compete for resources against other resource users, and now we compete one person against another. We live anonymous lives in islands of loneliness. Children grow up without a place or a purpose in society. We live like animals controlled morally only by law enforcement. I do not find it odd you don’t see this. What ego wants to know what we have become.

PS: There is a cure for this. It envolves awakening.
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Your limited view of mankind is blinding you to the truth. You are like a child that has never been outside but has a window which he can see the sky, and since there is a tree outside his window he imagines that everyone sees the sky through leaves.

The truth is much larger then that. The truth is that we are inherently violent creatures. Our culture is not mentally ill. It is just a reflection of our nature. We come from creatures that had to kill to survive. We are still that creature, and when the correct stimuli is presented, we fall back on that nature and commit violence. It turns out that the things that cause us to get violent are extremely common, to the point that almost everyone encounters it daily. We are all going to commit violence at some point. You can not remove it altogether. So, our goals have to be twofold, one to control the output of that violence to make it either harmless or productive, and to limit the damage it can do on those occasions when it is uncontrolled.
We do a reasonably good job at the first goal, most of the time when people get violent the effects are minor. It is the second goal that we are failing at badly, and guns is just one small, but very visible, part of that.
 
SMOGZINN said:
Your limited view of mankind is blinding you to the truth. You are like a child that has never been outside but has a window which he can see the sky, and since there is a tree outside his window he imagines that everyone sees the sky through leaves.

The truth is much larger then that. The truth is that we are inherently violent creatures. Our culture is not mentally ill. It is just a reflection of our nature. We come from creatures that had to kill to survive. We are still that creature, and when the correct stimuli is presented, we fall back on that nature and commit violence. It turns out that the things that cause us to get violent are extremely common, to the point that almost everyone encounters it daily. We are all going to commit violence at some point. You can not remove it altogether. So, our goals have to be twofold, one to control the output of that violence to make it either harmless or productive, and to limit the damage it can do on those occasions when it is uncontrolled.
We do a reasonably good job at the first goal, most of the time when people get violent the effects are minor. It is the second goal that we are failing at badly, and guns is just one small, but very visible, part of that.
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My problem with this is that it is the limited view. Fight or flight are two reactions built into us by nature. That is not the problem. The problem is that we can be programmed to experience those reactions in a delusional manner. Once a person has been made to feel he or she will be worthless if they do not conform to some impossible and shifting moral standard beyond anybody's comprehension, the violence we experience in violation becomes emotionally associated with that action.

Take a simple case. A boy who was told he does not deserve to be loved if he acts badly grows up amd falls in love and is loved in return by a woman, a love he can never truly trust because he carries those ancient feelings of worthlessness repressed out of conscious memory, but which are his fundamental inner truth. So he tests to see how genuine her love is, and nobody can pass such tests. So they break up and he kills her because he thinks it's her fault that she made him feel bad. But he felt that way all the time because he uses language and association formed with words from the past. He runs an inner program based on violence in his past. It is no longer about a real world threat but a triggered imagination. Is it possible to heal from traumatic experience and lose the trigger effect. If you don't think so than I suggest it is you who is looking out the window.
 
Moonbeam said:
My problem with this is that it is the limited view. Fight or flight are two reactions built into us by nature. That is not the problem. The problem is that we can be programmed to experience those reactions in a delusional manner. Once a person has been made to feel he or she will be worthless if they do not conform to some impossible and shifting moral standard beyond anybody's comprehension, the violence we experience in violation becomes emotionally associated with that action.

Take a simple case. A boy who was told he does not deserve to be loved if he acts badly grows up amd falls in love and is loved in return by a woman, a love he can never truly trust because he carries those ancient feelings of worthlessness repressed out of conscious memory, but which are his fundamental inner truth. So he tests to see how genuine her love is, and nobody can pass such tests. So they break up and he kills her because he thinks it's her fault that she made him feel bad. But he felt that way all the time because he uses language and association formed with words from the past. He runs an inner program based on violence in his past. It is no longer about a real world threat but a triggered imagination. Is it possible to heal from traumatic experience and lose the trigger effect. If you don't think so than I suggest it is you who is looking out the window.
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You are still looking out your very small window and not believing that there is sky past the tree.
It does not matter why we commit the violence. There will always be some other reason for the violence, we can't eliminate them all, and any attempt to do so will create new violence.
It is a part of our nature, we are violent creatures. We react violently to all sorts of things. Remove one, and you create another.
 
SMOGZINN said:
You are still looking out your very small window and not believing that there is sky past the tree.
It does not matter why we commit the violence. There will always be some other reason for the violence, we can't eliminate them all, and any attempt to do so will create new violence.
It is a part of our nature, we are violent creatures. We react violently to all sorts of things. Remove one, and you create another.
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It doesn't matter why? I have to assume it doesn't if you don't know why. Otherwise, it changes everything. And I suppose 'any attempt' would mean any attempt you know of.

Your reasoning goes something like this. We are passive non-violent creatures because we don't eat our children.
 
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