The Pew Pew Thread

[SMOGZINN]

It doesn't matter why? I have to assume it doesn't if you don't know why. Otherwise, it changes everything. And I suppose 'any attempt' would mean any attempt you know of.

Your reasoning goes something like this. We are passive non-violent creatures because we don't eat our children.

It doesn't matter why because the why is an individual problem. I can help any given individual stop violence in a specific situation, but there is no way to do that across 300 million people.
When you start to look at it on a societal level the why stops mattering. So what if we are all insane, or if 10 million of us are, or any given large number. I can't fix that. Nor can any of your ideas.
Your entire answer to violence seems to be 'just don't do that'. Well, people have been saying that basically forever. If that was going to work, it would have already.
Teaching people to 'just all get along' is not going to work, because as soon as it does start to work someone else learns that 'punch you in the face' gets them what they want. Then we are back to square one.
So when wishful thinking fails we are left with practical solutions. Those include accepting that violence is going to happen and reducing the damage violence can cause.
Absentness has never worked. We are emotional creatures. We are going to fuck. We are going to fight. You can't change human nature.

 

[Moonbeam]

It doesn't matter why because the why is an individual problem. I can help any given individual stop violence in a specific situation, but there is no way to do that across 300 million people.
When you start to look at it on a societal level the why stops mattering. So what if we are all insane, or if 10 million of us are, or any given large number. I can't fix that. Nor can any of your ideas.
Your entire answer to violence seems to be 'just don't do that'. Well, people have been saying that basically forever. If that was going to work, it would have already.
Teaching people to 'just all get along' is not going to work, because as soon as it does start to work someone else learns that 'punch you in the face' gets them what they want. Then we are back to square one.
So when wishful thinking fails we are left with practical solutions. Those include accepting that violence is going to happen and reducing the damage violence can cause.
Absentness has never worked. We are emotional creatures. We are going to fuck. We are going to fight. You can't change human nature.

Yes, yes, I know, We can't change human nature. We will always be peaceful creatures because we don't eat our children. You remind me of the story of the man throwing starfish back into the sea after a storm had washed them on shore and was told by a realist he made no difference because there were millions more. What you call human nature is what you see, the study of man asleep to reality. The problem is that for you to have any other view than the one you do would mean facing your own insanity, consciously aware of the worlds deeply hidden misery. You prefer to tinker instead of fix because you can see no other way. I don't blame you. So when vision fails we are left with useless solutions we pursue in the hope that the answer to madness is more insanity.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Dumb and Dumber .....

Teens Shoot One Another While Wearing Body Armor, Killing 1: Police

The teenager allegedly shot the other five times while wearing a protective vest.

 

[allisolm]

Looks like someone took target practice a little too seriously.

Georgia coroner discovers bodies of his parents and son at scene of apparent robbery, officials say | CNN

A county coroner in Georgia discovered the bodies of his parents and his son, who were killed Friday in an apparent robbery at the Lock Stock & Barrel Shooting Range in Grantville, police say.

www.cnn.com

 

[hal2kilo]

Looks like someone took target practice a little too seriously.

Georgia coroner discovers bodies of his parents and son at scene of apparent robbery, officials say | CNN

A county coroner in Georgia discovered the bodies of his parents and his son, who were killed Friday in an apparent robbery at the Lock Stock & Barrel Shooting Range in Grantville, police say.

www.cnn.com

They didn't have enough guns to defend the gun range?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

They didn't have enough guns to defend the gun range?

Bad Guys got'em.

Gun Range Robbers Kill Three, Steal Over 40 Weapons in Georgia: Police

The suspects shot and killed the owner of Lock Stock & Barrel Shooting, along with his wife and grandson during a Friday night robbery.




Oddly enough, I've heard that gun stores and ranges have among the most strict rules regarding who can have a loaded weapon where.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Hey, mebbe the dog shudda' had a gun, right Greg?

Texas man, 70, fatally shoots neighbor after dog runs into his yard, officials say

NBC News|54 minutes ago
After the shooting, witnesses said Eric Lee Elliott put his gun in his truck and continued doing yardwork as if nothing had happened, according to the Liberty County Sheriff's Office.

 

[Shmee]

I kinda think we need better background checks, better mental health services, but also more guns. I live in California, and while we have some good things going, I think some of our gun restrictions have gone too far.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The Leading Cause Of Death In Children And Youths Is Now Guns

Accidents remain the leading cause of death among all individuals between ages 1 and 44 years, but the most common cause has shifted in recent yearrs.

www.forbes.com

Gun deaths more prevalent the motor vehicle? Sounds like freedom to me!

 

[darkswordsman17]

The Leading Cause Of Death In Children And Youths Is Now Guns

Accidents remain the leading cause of death among all individuals between ages 1 and 44 years, but the most common cause has shifted in recent yearrs.

www.forbes.com

Gun deaths more prevalent the motor vehicle? Sounds like freedom to me!

Seems like the more data comes, the more it shows how the over-prevalence in America is causing us to sacrifice our kids at the altar of guns.

 

[Moonbeam]

Seems like the more data comes, the more it shows how the over-prevalence in America is causing us to sacrifice our kids at the altar of guns.

The alter you speak of is the alter of the right of self defense, a right that is fundamental to life itself. What you fail to consider is that what guns are being misappropriated for instead is the confusion between protecting one's personal being from protecting ones phony sense of ego. It is the lack of attainment on the part of millions to achieve any real self respect that drives people to violence to achieve some culturally worshiped alternative. Gun violence goes hand in hand with the feeling one isn't getting the attention, admiration and love one feels one deserves, some form of social status that makes one appear to be acceptable. You display that in spades when you run everybody down who disagrees with you. All you need to do is project to worry about being shot by a gun.

Guns themselves are not the problem. It is the pathetic mentality our culture produces in its people as our alter that sacrifices our children. The drive to use force to reduce gun numbers is just more of the same mentality. "I have a right to protect my ego from the fear of being shot."

In this way liberals will continue to drive pragmatic people who understand the right of self devense over to the conservative side of politics while doing nothing at all to address the real issues.

Imagine a world where children grow up with a sense of the their personal value to the people is society, where everything is designed to promote human dignity. I think the interest in guns would simply be recreational and their numbers would fall precipitiously without any legislation. Only progressives can lead in that. Let's hope progressives can focus more on issues that don't make them look like nut cases to people with a broader range of moral concerns.

 

[Pens1566]

"No way to prevent this", says only nation where this regularly happens ...

 

[ch33zw1z]

The alter you speak of is the alter of the right of self defense, a right that is fundamental to life itself.

Incorrect, it's at the altar of gun fetish, that's it.

The right to self defense doesn't exempt us from common sense safety measures and appropriate penalties, yet that's not a thing in most states.

 

[Moonbeam]

Incorrect, it's at the altar of gun fetish, that's it.

The right to self defense doesn't exempt us from common sense safety measures and appropriate penalties, yet that's not a thing in most states.

I do not have an issue with rational gun laws that try to limit access to guns from people obviously unfit to own them responsibly. My issue is with do-gooders trying to prevent responsible people from owning them. I recognize that as a society we are far far to psychologically unsophisticated to abandon our reliance on punishment as a legal condition for law breakers. I mush prefer that we do what it takes to help our culture evolve so that few people grow up hating live because they hate themselves. At our current level of ignorance as a culture the urge to violence will not decrease. It will get worse and worse instead.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I do not have an issue with rational gun laws that try to limit access to guns from people obviously unfit to own them responsibly. My issue is with do-gooders trying to prevent responsible people from owning them. I recognize that as a society we are far far to psychologically unsophisticated to abandon our reliance on punishment as a legal condition for law breakers. I mush prefer that we do what it takes to help our culture evolve so that few people grow up hating live because they hate themselves. At our current level of ignorance as a culture the urge to violence will not decrease. It will get worse and worse instead.

I recommend reading the article I linked

 

[Moonbeam]

I recommend reading the article I linked

What I read sounded to me like an opinion piece founded on faulty logic. The contention that deaths by accident or intent of young people are unnecessary would be the same as saying that deaths by automobile are unnecessary too. The answer is to eliminate guns and cars. Its still also about eliminating an instrument rather than dealing with the origin of violent or careless behavior typical in anti-gun culture. This is the kind of cultural ignorance that turn people off to liberals, in my opinion.

The causes of violence in our society are also unnecessary but nobody is doing anything there.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I recommend reading the article I linked

I recommend ignoring it. Your day will go at least a bit better.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I recommend ignoring it. Your day will go at least a bit better.

sure, but it’s the premise of this thread, that you started

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

sure, but it’s the premise of this thread, that you started

Playin' TiddleyWinks with the Moonie? Ummm, no.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Playin' TiddleyWinks with the Moonie? Ummm, no.

no, I just said read the link.

 

[MrSquished]

This last weekend or the one before was a big weekend of mass shootings, barely made a blip in the news compared to other things going on.

The gun nuts have created their utopia, this is the kind of indifference they wanted to create in order for their to be no threat to their fetishization of guns. They all have blood on their hands.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This last weekend or the one before was a big weekend of mass shootings, barely made a blip in the news compared to other things going on.

The gun nuts have created their utopia, this is the kind of indifference they wanted to create in order for their to be no threat to their fetishization of guns. They all have blood on their hands.

The same people are "pro-lifers", but really just pro-birthers and thats mostly related to controlling women.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Incorrect, it's at the altar of gun fetish, that's it.

The right to self defense doesn't exempt us from common sense safety measures and appropriate penalties, yet that's not a thing in most states.

Not sure what self defense has to do with it? I mean, sure that's what chickenshit gun fuckers claim because they're constantly scared out of their minds about things that aren't even real.

Plus, I mean, sure if you ignore that guns are actually far more likely to be used to harm someone than in self-defense (aka, the best "self defense" with regards to guns are for them to not be available/around). But I mean you'd kinda have to be a moron that deliberately ignores the ever mounting evidence showing that. Being that stupid might lead you to try to claim horse dewormer was a legitimate COVID treatment though, so you'd have to be REALLY goddamn stupid to be saying that.

The same people are "pro-lifers", but really just pro-birthers and thats mostly related to controlling women.

They're not even pro-birthers as many of them would abort a baby if it in any way just inconvenienced them. They just want to force others to be as miserable as they are.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Not sure what self defense has to do with it? I mean, sure that's what chickenshit gun fuckers claim because they're constantly scared out of their minds about things that aren't even real.

Plus, I mean, sure if you ignore that guns are actually far more likely to be used to harm someone than in self-defense (aka, the best "self defense" with regards to guns are for them to not be available/around). But I mean you'd kinda have to be a moron that deliberately ignores the ever mounting evidence showing that. Being that stupid might lead you to try to claim horse dewormer was a legitimate COVID treatment though, so you'd have to be REALLY goddamn stupid to be saying that.



They're not even pro-birthers as many of them would abort a baby if it in any way just inconvenienced them. They just want to force others to be as miserable as they are.

both valid points, re: self defense, I was just replying to moonbeam who invoked that as some sorta catch all for what the numbers say

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Somebody musta' been sauced.

Fast-Food Employee Shot During Alleged Dispute With Customer Over Sauce

The employee was later transported to a nearby hospital where he was treated for non-life-threatening injuries.