The Official Xbox One Thread

[DaveSimmons]

Yes, charging for online play is a step backwards for Sony, but they haven't taken it as far as MS.

Xbox makes you get Live Gold just to watch Netflix, Hulu, etc. Sony does not.

 

[EightySix Four]

Even if someone doesn't want or care to play online, say they use a pc mainly, all the other features of the console don't require psn +

I just like how Sony actually listened to customers. No drm made me happy.

Am I just strange for being completely okay with the trade-offs they are giving for the DRM? That means my brother and I can have a single collection of video games which we can play anywhere without a disc just by logging in with our GamerTag. For me, that's worth the console needing to hop online every 24 hours to check the licenses...

PS4 -
Pro:
Can trade/sell games physically
Cons:
Need to physically carry trade/discs

X1 -
Pro:
Can digitally loan games and share them with family members with no disc.
Can go to any X1, login, and play games I own from the cloud.
Every game can assume there is an internet connection present and provide interesting features.
Con:
Checks internet every 24 hours.
Unknown resell situation.

Clearly that's an interesting set of choice, but it doesn't really seem like the end of the world to me? It's less restrictive than Steam and seems just as useful... Do I have some kind of cognitive dissonance going on? I am a bit of an MS fanboy but I actually don't understand the uproar (although Sony did one hell of a one up on the price, the new Kinect better be the shit).

 

[Hugo Drax]

Am I just strange for being completely okay with the trade-offs they are giving for the DRM? That means my brother and I can have a single collection of video games which we can play anywhere without a disc just by logging in with our GamerTag. For me, that's worth the console needing to hop online every 24 hours to check the licenses...

I am a bit of an MS fanboy, and I may be tricking myself into being cool with this, but logically it seems to make sense to me.

PS4 -
Pro:
Can trade/sell games physically
Cons:
Need to physically carry trade/discs

X1 -
Pro:
Can digitally loan games and share them with family members with no disc.
Can go to any X1, login, and play games I own from the cloud.
Every game can assume there is an internet connection present and provide interesting features.
Con:
Checks internet every 24 hours.
Unknown resell situation.

Clearly that's an interesting set of choice, but it doesn't really seem like the end of the world to me? It's less restrictive than Steam and seems just as useful... Do I have some kind of cognitive dissonance going on?

 

[EightySix Four]

1. I legitimately cannot remember the last time I had a console without an internet connection. As I said in the previous post, I actually like the abilities gained and I'm perfectly willing to make the trade off.
2. And...?
3. I'm under the impression you can lend games over Live to people on your friends list?
4. I've never done Gamefly or anything, I've always made decisions based on reviews and demos.
5/6. This is the only one I see logic behind complaining about for a large majority of people. Personally, I don't sell my games very often (I'm also a pretty picky buyer) so this one doesn't impact me.

 

[BoberFett]

Am I just strange for being completely okay with the trade-offs they are giving for the DRM? That means my brother and I can have a single collection of video games which we can play anywhere without a disc just by logging in with our GamerTag. For me, that's worth the console needing to hop online every 24 hours to check the licenses...

How do you figure?

 

[DaveSimmons]

People do worry about not being able to play a game 5 years from now. I can buy a 10+ year old used PS1 - PS3 and 360 game off of eBay and just play it.

With X1 DRM you can (maybe) take your disc to an authorized center to trade it in, and that authorized center can then re-sell it. No eBay or garage sale discs. When GameSlop stops carrying an old disc it's gone forever.

That's OK if MS still has it in the online store, and isn't charging $40 for it, but you're at their mercy. What if the publisher asked them to pull GameSeries 3 from the store because they want you to buy GameSeries 5 instead? Or GamesSeries 3 Grimdark-Reboot?

 

[EightySix Four]

How do you figure?

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-lets-you-share-your-games-with-up-to-10-famil-511767763

People do worry about not being able to play a game 5 years from now.

I am, personally, of the opinion that's a silly thing to worry about, but that's just me. I can't imagine a scenario where a company would close the authorization servers for an entire console generation within an even vaguely "short" timeframe. That said, I would like to see Microsoft set a minimum time frame in their license agreements for this very reason.

 

[KaOTiK]

3. I'm under the impression you can lend games over Live to people on your friends list?
.

You can't lend games to your friends. You can give your disc to a friend 1 time and that is it, they have to be on your friends list for 30 days before you can do that as well.

 

[smackababy]

Am I just strange for being completely okay with the trade-offs they are giving for the DRM? That means my brother and I can have a single collection of video games which we can play anywhere without a disc just by logging in with our GamerTag. For me, that's worth the console needing to hop online every 24 hours to check the licenses...

PS4 -
Pro:
Can trade/sell games physically
Cons:
Need to physically carry trade/discs

X1 -
Pro:
Can digitally loan games and share them with family members with no disc.
Can go to any X1, login, and play games I own from the cloud.
Every game can assume there is an internet connection present and provide interesting features.
Con:
Checks internet every 24 hours.
Unknown resell situation.

Clearly that's an interesting set of choice, but it doesn't really seem like the end of the world to me? It's less restrictive than Steam and seems just as useful... Do I have some kind of cognitive dissonance going on? I am a bit of an MS fanboy but I actually don't understand the uproar (although Sony did one hell of a one up on the price, the new Kinect better be the shit).

That is the boat I am in. I don't care about used games (because I skip that market entirely) and all my friends either buy their own games, or will come over to "demo" one. No loaning really happens, because we prefer to play together.

I don't think I have gone without internet for more than 24 hours since I joined the military like 5 years ago, and that was during basic training.

My work is blocking Hugo's picture, so I don't know what it says.

As of right now, Sony has 0 titles to get me excited about for the PS4. Even the crossplatform titles like Madden, I will prefer on Xbox One because of the fantasy football integration.

 

[sze5003]

Am I just strange for being completely okay with the trade-offs they are giving for the DRM? That means my brother and I can have a single collection of video games which we can play anywhere without a disc just by logging in with our GamerTag. For me, that's worth the console needing to hop online every 24 hours to check the licenses...

PS4 -
Pro:
Can trade/sell games physically
Cons:
Need to physically carry trade/discs

X1 -
Pro:
Can digitally loan games and share them with family members with no disc.
Can go to any X1, login, and play games I own from the cloud.
Every game can assume there is an internet connection present and provide interesting features.
Con:
Checks internet every 24 hours.
Unknown resell situation.

Clearly that's an interesting set of choice, but it doesn't really seem like the end of the world to me? It's less restrictive than Steam and seems just as useful... Do I have some kind of cognitive dissonance going on? I am a bit of an MS fanboy but I actually don't understand the uproar (although Sony did one hell of a one up on the price, the new Kinect better be the shit).

No your not crazy, to each his own. My brother and I don't really play the same games. I share games but it's not like I carry a bag of games with me everywhere. If someone wants to borrow drive over or if I'm in the area I'll drop it off.

For some, the always on connection may be alright if they play all the time. Or like you if they have a family that sticks to similar games. I really thought Sony would bomb it last night but I was surprised they actually did everything opposite of MS pretty much it was like trading blows directly back.

 

[BoberFett]

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-lets-you-share-your-games-with-up-to-10-famil-511767763



I am, personally, of the opinion that's a silly thing to worry about, but that's just me. I can't imagine a scenario where a company would close the authorization servers for an entire console generation within an even vaguely "short" timeframe. That said, I would like to see Microsoft set a minimum time frame in their license agreements for this very reason.

Frankly, I don't see it being that simple. Given that they're trying to clamp down on piracy to increase sales rate, it makes little sense to give everyone the ability to share their games with 10 people, thereby slashing the number of times any given game needs to be purchased.

In other words, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[EightySix Four]

You can't lend games to your friends. You can give your disc to a friend 1 time and that is it, they have to be on your friends list for 30 days before you can do that as well.

Ahh, you are correct. It's something they're "working with publishers on."

 

[exdeath]

Paying for the online is absolutely not an issue. <$5 a month? People pay $100+ for less on their cell phone.

I've never used PS+ or played multiplayer on PS3. I made sure all my multiplayer games were 360 for XBL and the controller (360 became my designated shooter box and PS3 my RPG/Adventure box).

It just better be as good as XBL now. No excuses now.

 

[EightySix Four]

Frankly, I don't see it being that simple. Given that they're trying to clamp down on piracy to increase sales rate, it makes little sense to give everyone the ability to share their games with 10 people, thereby slashing the number of times any given game needs to be purchased.

In other words, I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm sure they need to be in the same "household" and on the same credit card account. I'm also fairly certain two people cannot play the same game at the same time. But yes, that's from Microsoft's site, so that is going to happen. Which, like I previously said, makes the 24 hour connectivity requirement make sense.

 

[RedRooster]

You can't lend games to your friends. You can give your disc to a friend 1 time and that is it, they have to be on your friends list for 30 days before you can do that as well.

And its permanent, correct? So basically useless.

 

[ImpulsE69]

It comes down to use case. Honestly. The internet thing is what bugs me as well as rentals.

1. I tend to play consoles for the single player games, not the multiplayer
2. I tend to play consoles when I have no internet. Yes it happens. People saying otherwise are very short sighted and self absorbed.
3. I tend to take consoles with me when I travel to play on down time. Not all times when I travel do I have internet. Not all times am I near a magical internet outlet to "recharge" a console...
4. I tend to rent short games, buy longer games

This essentially makes the Xbox 1 the equivalent of a cell phone w/o a tower nearby. Worthless to me.

 

[smackababy]

Frankly, I don't see it being that simple. Given that they're trying to clamp down on piracy to increase sales rate, it makes little sense to give everyone the ability to share their games with 10 people, thereby slashing the number of times any given game needs to be purchased.

In other words, I'll believe it when I see it.

It is the reason they scrapped the family plan for Xbox Live. All the accounts are tied to the same Xbox Live account. I don't believe they can be accessed separately for the same game, but possibly online at the same time. It consolidates all of the accounts under one "parent" account I assume. So, your kids can have their own friends list / avatar garbage / achievements / game saves / parental controls and you can have your own.

For families, it makes perfect sense and is actually a great move on MS's part.

 

[EightySix Four]

It comes down to use case. Honestly. The internet thing is what bugs me as well as rentals.

1. I tend to play consoles for the single player games, not the multiplayer
2. I tend to play consoles when I have no internet. Yes it happens. People saying otherwise are very short sighted and self absorbed.
3. I tend to take consoles with me when I travel to play on down time. Not all times when I travel do I have internet. Not all times am I near a magical internet outlet to "recharge" a console...
4. I tend to rent short games, buy longer games

This essentially makes the Xbox 1 the equivalent of a cell phone w/o a tower nearby. Worthless to me.

That makes sense. I can see why you would go PS4.

For me,

1. I play for multiplayer and single player about equally.
2. I literally cannot remember playing a console game in the last few years without internet access.
3. I never travel with my console, ever. It is a fixture in my living room and I'm very excited about the media functions and hopeful about the integration across W8 devices.
4. I rarely play short games and if they are short they had better have great multiplayer.

 

[exdeath]

I don't really care too much about used games and all that, I try to support the developers. But when a game is out of print and a particular game has beautiful packaging and has collector value, how else do you get a physical copy when its pushed off the shelves?

There is a certain element of joy finding Xenoblade Chronicles at a garage sale months or years after its our of print.

I dont see it as blocking used games, I see it as blocking EVERYTHING BUT new day 1 games leaving you a 30 day window to pick up a niche low volume game before it gets pushed off the shelf for the next CoD and lost forever. Basically trying to bankrupt you making sure you pre-order EVERYTHING new because the discs will be worthless otherwise. Not cool at all.

Why buy used game when you can get them sealed for $30 a lot of times too?

I grabbed Kingdom Hearts and Paper Mario on 3DS brand new for $19 on one of Best Buys weekend deals. No reason to go used, but people like me like their physical copies and require that they have intrinsic value in that if you have the disc in hand you can play it any time anywhere even 10 years from now.

For me its the retro collector buy/sell/trade aspect that Microsoft is killing.

 

[smackababy]

I don't really care too much about used games and all that, I try to support the developers. But when a game is out of print and a particular game has beautiful packaging and has collector value, how else do you get a physical copy when its pushed off the shelves?

There is a certain element of joy finding Xenoblade Chronicles at a garage sale months or years after its our of print.

I dont see it as blocking used games, I see it as blocking EVERYTHING BUT new day 1 games leaving you a 30 day window to pick up a niche low volume game before it gets pushed off the shelf for the next CoD and lost forever. Basically trying to bankrupt you making sure you pre-order EVERYTHING new because the discs will be worthless otherwise. Not cool at all.

Why buy used game when you can get them sealed for $30 a lot of times too?

I grabbed Kingdom Hearts and Paper Mario on 3DS brand new for $19 on one of Best Buys weekend deals. No reason to go used, but people like me like their physical copies and require that they have intrinsic value in that if you have the disc in hand you can play it any time anywhere even 10 years from now.k

PC games already do this. The WoW Collector's Editions are a good example. It isn't even about the packaging. You get a unique in game pet on that account forever. Now, they create an artificial supply limit, but only allowing people that pre-order X number of copies to get the code. The original WoW Collector's Edition code is like $800 on ebay.

I buy some Collector's Editions because of the stuff that comes with them. Like SC2, I have both WoL and HotS and will be buying whatever the next expansion edition is. They come with all kinds of stuff I like. Art books, soundtracks, etc. But a lot just come with some in game item that has an artificial supply.

 

[ImpulsE69]

There are some people who simply won't play old games. I get that, and that's where a lot of the....controversy comes from.

With MS's design, they can essentially continuously re-release the same games over and over because you won't be able to play them otherwise. Sure games are being re-released all the time now, but you don't HAVE to buy them because you can still play them on some other medium (like their original system).

Some people though do like to play older games. I jump from system to system playing games I never got around to :/ ---for instance-- I went from Shadow Hearts 3, to Xenogears, to Xenoblade Chronicles, to Mass Effect 1 / 2, to MGS3, to FF7, The Dig, Planescape Torment, to Chrono Trigger, then to Radiant Historia...you get the picture..that's all within the last year and some of those games are OLD.

 

[EightySix Four]

There are some people who simply won't play old games. I get that, and that's where a lot of the....controversy comes from.

With MS's design, they can essentially continuously re-release the same games over and over because you won't be able to play them otherwise. Sure games are being re-released all the time now, but you don't HAVE to buy them because you can still play them on some other medium (like their original system).

Some people though do like to play older games. I jump from system to system playing games I never got around to :/ ---for instance-- I went from Shadow Hearts 3, to Xenogears, to Xenoblade Chronicles, to Mass Effect 1 / 2, to MGS3, to FF7, The Dig, Planescape Torment, to Chrono Trigger, then to Radiant Historia...you get the picture..that's all within the last year and some of those games are OLD.

I'm not understanding how this is going to block you from doing so (other than bargain binning at half priced books or garage sales), in fact I see you having easier access since every game in their entire library will be available on the XBL store. I doubt the prices will come down as fast as retailers do, but historically they have come down and to reasonable prices as well.

That said, I don't really do this so I probably come from a different perspective.

 

[SAWYER]

MS screwed up even when imo having better games at E3, too damn arrogant

 

[EightySix Four]

MS screwed up even when imo having better games at E3, too damn arrogant

Can you explain which part impacts you and why? Out of curiosity. For example, the person who travels with his console, that makes sense to me.

 

[smackababy]

For example, the person who travels with his console, that makes sense to me.

This makes no sense to me, personally. I never go on vacation to someplace where I am going to sit in a hotel room and play Xbox. Sorry, but that sounds like a waste of a vacation. Even if traveling for work, I would much rather go out and explore the city than sit in my hotel and play Xbox. I just don't understand that argument. "What if I go on vacation to someplace without internet, like South America or something, and bring my Xbox?" My answer is you should have saved your money and stayed at home with internet. If I go to some exotic place without internet, I would prefer to enjoy that place not play Xbox.