The Official Xbox One Thread

[SAWYER]

I am buying one, I am talking in general. I personally do not take my consoles anywhere and they are always online but that is me. There is no excuse making for it, $100 more expensive and the 24 h check is ridiculous. MS deserves to get spanked in sales for this

 

[EightySix Four]

This makes no sense to me, personally. I never go on vacation to someplace where I am going to sit in a hotel room and play Xbox. Sorry, but that sounds like a waste of a vacation. Even if traveling for work, I would much rather go out and explore the city than sit in my hotel and play Xbox. I just don't understand that argument. "What if I go on vacation to someplace without internet, like South America or something, and bring my Xbox?" My answer is you should have saved your money and stayed at home with internet. If I go to some exotic place without internet, I would prefer to enjoy that place not play Xbox.

Having had to travel for work before, the whole "go out and explore" thing is great for the first 10 cities you travel to. After that you just want to rest and get home. If he's traveling to cities and staying in hotels (or cities he's been to before) and wants to relax to some video games, I can make sense of that.

I am buying one, I am talking in general. I personally do not take my consoles anywhere and they are always online but that is me. There is no excuse making for it, $100 more expensive and the 24 h check is ridiculous. MS deserves to get spanked in sales for this

$100 more is a mistake, I agree. The 24hr check is a great trade off for the family sharing for me, so I'm cool with it.

 

[gus6464]

I wanted to get an xbone but to me kinect is just a worthless thing to spend $100 extra on. I can't even remember the last time I used my kinect for 360. Plus nowadays I tend to play mostly single player console games as the multiplayer stuff that interests me is on the PC. It's not uncommon for my internet to go out for more than 24 hours at a time so with the xbone I'd be screwed.

 

[EightySix Four]

I wanted to get an xbone but to me kinect is just a worthless thing to spend $100 extra on. I can't even remember the last time I used my kinect for 360. Plus nowadays I tend to play mostly single player console games as the multiplayer stuff that interests me is on the PC. It's not uncommon for my internet to go out for more than 24 hours at a time so with the xbone I'd be screwed.

Where do you live/who is your service provider?

 

[KaOTiK]

And its permanent, correct? So basically useless.

Correct, permanent from what they said.

 

[gus6464]

Where do you live/who is your service provider?

Cox, east county San Diego.

 

[basslover1]

This makes no sense to me, personally. I never go on vacation to someplace where I am going to sit in a hotel room and play Xbox. Sorry, but that sounds like a waste of a vacation. Even if traveling for work, I would much rather go out and explore the city than sit in my hotel and play Xbox. I just don't understand that argument. "What if I go on vacation to someplace without internet, like South America or something, and bring my Xbox?" My answer is you should have saved your money and stayed at home with internet. If I go to some exotic place without internet, I would prefer to enjoy that place not play Xbox.

You don't have kids, do you?

I remember growing up my family and our group of friends would take vacations together to some place. There was always down time between meals or various activities and instead of 4-5 seven or eight year olds running around being annoying screaming I'm bored, we played video games until it was time to go.

 

[EightySix Four]

Cox, east county San Diego.

That's insane, I've never had internet connections that went down "regularly" or for more than 24 hours at a time. Ever. That sucks, sorry.

 

[smackababy]

You don't have kids, do you?

I remember growing up my family and our group of friends would take vacations together to some place. There was always down time between meals or various activities and instead of 4-5 seven or eight year olds running around being annoying screaming I'm bored, we played video games until it was time to go.

No kids now. But, I will do what my parents did: "Go outside and shut up or I will beat your ass!" So, my friends and I played outside a lot. I also wasn't allowed more than 1 friend inside at a time.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I'm not understanding how this is going to block you from doing so (other than bargain binning at half priced books or garage sales), in fact I see you having easier access since every game in their entire library will be available on the XBL store. I doubt the prices will come down as fast as retailers do, but historically they have come down and to reasonable prices as well.

That said, I don't really do this so I probably come from a different perspective.

I'm reiterating what many peoples concerns are. You are at the mercy of MS for how long your purchase is good for. It has a shelf life. It's that simple. Want to play that great game you bought on the Xbox 1 15 years down the road when you absolutely hate the games on the Xbox 30? (sound familiar?). Sorry you can't because it's no longer supported at all, even though you have the disk and the console.

Now....that's not to say that in 15 years it couldn't be hacked to not need it, but the point is MS's policies and goals are very anti consumer. They are removing choice and rights to things you are paying (not a small amount of money) for and adding artificial shelf life to them.

I'll add that much of this revolves around whether or not you think game companies deserve to make money off of every sale, or person using something. I've seen there is quite the division of thought on this (just in the forums). Regardless it is hard to justify them basically telling you when you can or cannot play a game.

Besides this "DRM" is not about piracy at all. It's about marketing to you constantly, and because of their obscure way of "trades" making it so you can't trade/sell a game off but still have it on your system. That 24 hour check is simply there so they can wipe your account of that game. That and constant marketing are THE ONLY reason for the 24 hour check.

 

[gus6464]

Plus I will be the first to say that I do use the gamespot 7 day return policy on used games for stuff I am on the fence about. I can buy a used game and if it sucks I return for a full refund. Can't do that anymore with xbone without incurring some kind of cost.

 

[tential]

You don't have kids, do you?

I remember growing up my family and our group of friends would take vacations together to some place. There was always down time between meals or various activities and instead of 4-5 seven or eight year olds running around being annoying screaming I'm bored, we played video games until it was time to go.

I generally have always played a console during a vacation. Just a good way to kill time late at night with the family.

I'm worried for XB1, but I'm sure within 2-3 months they'll have a good strategy moving forward. I don't think now though is the time for them to make a change. If you make a change now it's in a direct response to Sony. If you make a chance 2-3 months from now you can claim it's a direct response to what your core customers are saying.

Either way though, the only people that really know about any of this stuff are a vast minority of gamers. If Sony wanted to put the nail in the coffin, They would Advtertise the differences between Xb1 and PS4 on national tv in a prime time slot all day right now.

That would be the end for XB1. But until Sony reaches EVERYONE, and not just the people who are nerdy enough like ourselves to actually watch E3, I'm not worried for MS.

 

[purbeast0]

Can you explain which part impacts you and why? Out of curiosity. For example, the person who travels with his console, that makes sense to me.

well i am leaning towards the xbox1 and most likely a ps4 down the road since it has nothing at launch that is exclusive, and i can tell you a few reasons why i'm hesitating to get an x1 100% at this point. the main reason at this point is for killer instinct.

1. i rent quite a few single player games from redbox. that is how i've recently played through gears of war ascension, tomb raider, and bioshock (didnt finish it but rented it and realized in a couple hours i didnt like it). i tend to zip through single player games in like 3-4 sittings. so it is much nicer to spend $8 or so on a game i will play through once than $60. can't do that anymore with x1.

2. found out today killer instinct is a dlc game and "free to play" but you get 1 character for free, then have to pay per character for the rest. as a huge fighting game fan, this is simply retarded. you are fracturing the game community before it's even out. one of the best parts about a new fighter is experimenting with all of the characters and finding one that fits your play style. well this isn't even possible with this game unless you "pay for all characters". if they come out and say there is a disc based version as well that includes EVERYTHING, or if every character will be $30, then okay. but a $30 retail game will then make me wonder what the actual quality of the game is. just the whole "f2p" thing makes me question what the actual quality of this game will be in general, which sucks because i've been waiting more than a decade to hear about a new killer instinct.. and if one of their exclusive launch titles is doing this, i'm sure they have many plans to do this with other games in the future.

3. i can't sell my games. i very rarely sell games, or buy used games. but it's nice to know i have that option. when i purchased my wii and gamecube, i had no intention of ever selling the console. well a year later and 6 or so games later, i realized it sucked and sold it. and i sold it as a package deal. well guess what? that is not possible with the x1. you can only sell the console alone, then get to throw away the rest of your games or trade them in to gamestop for pennies.

4. kinect 2. i wish at e3 they went more into detail as to "what is required" about it. i personally will have it disconnected 100% of the time if that is an option. but if it's not, what is the extent that i have to use or have it hooked up for? can i hook it up in my a/v closet and keep it sitting in there? or does it have to be out infront of the screen? if it has to be out, that means i will need like a 25ft kinect cord running from my a/v closet to sit on top of my center channel speaker, just to use the x1, when it is something i don't even want to use.

there are other reservations i have too, but those are the main ones. a lot of it is the principle about #2 up above. the online checking in i don't care about. i can't remember the last time my ps3 or 360 was offline. but i do think it is stupid to have the check in. in the past 6 or so years i've DEFINITELY had periods of time where my internet was NOT working properly, and it's retarded that could effect me playing x1.

This makes no sense to me, personally. I never go on vacation to someplace where I am going to sit in a hotel room and play Xbox. Sorry, but that sounds like a waste of a vacation. Even if traveling for work, I would much rather go out and explore the city than sit in my hotel and play Xbox. I just don't understand that argument. "What if I go on vacation to someplace without internet, like South America or something, and bring my Xbox?" My answer is you should have saved your money and stayed at home with internet. If I go to some exotic place without internet, I would prefer to enjoy that place not play Xbox.

there are A LOT of adult males that travel alone for work. like weekly, and they would like to bring their console with them to play games at night maybe after a day at work in an unfamiliar place.

i also went to the beach with my aunts and uncles last year to north carolina, and we rented 4 houses total because there are a ton of us. at nights we would hang out in one primary house with a pool and just a huge place where we could all gather. a lot of the kids were playing xbox there. with the xbox1, this won't be an option, UNLESS there was wireless there.

there are definitely many "use cases" where the online thing is just retarded.

 

[jrphoenix]

I am very happy with the xbox one announcements. I have steam for my computer games and have no complaints, few people do that use steam. This is a more lenient steam client which will make my life easier. I will have a game library that I can access on any xbox one with my sign in. Developers will get paid for their games, even if not thogh call of duty map packs (on used games).

MS has stated they will not be implementing the DRM but, built the system for the publisher / developer to implment. I would imagine that CD Project Red will not implement it and EA will (like their online pass). PS will most likely still have DRM in the form of publishers issuing one time used codes. I really don't think this is a big deal.

 

[smackababy]

Plus I will be the first to say that I do use the gamespot 7 day return policy on used games for stuff I am on the fence about. I can buy a used game and if it sucks I return for a full refund. Can't do that anymore with xbone without incurring some kind of cost.

Except, there is no user cost. That was already specified. The retailer, if anyone, would have to pay the "reactivation" fee for the game, not the customer.

 

[tential]

That is the boat I am in. I don't care about used games (because I skip that market entirely) and all my friends either buy their own games, or will come over to "demo" one. No loaning really happens, because we prefer to play together.

I don't think I have gone without internet for more than 24 hours since I joined the military like 5 years ago, and that was during basic training.

My work is blocking Hugo's picture, so I don't know what it says.

As of right now, Sony has 0 titles to get me excited about for the PS4. Even the crossplatform titles like Madden, I will prefer on Xbox One because of the fantasy football integration.

This is the boat I'm in as well. I've never even purchased a used game I think. Any game I do purchase used, I highly doubt will have a DRM policy as MS has specificallly said "It will be up to the developer". Being able to go to a friends house, login with my gamer tag, and just play will be huge for me. Half the games I have I've broken the disc or lost the disc for. I'm TERRIBLE with disc copies of game, especially after Steam came out.

Finally, Cloud Computing, if MS can show me that it truly does add power to my system, then I'll be sold. If not though, I really will just purchase based on the games. PS4 will allow me 2 free games from the start with the 100 dollar discount so that I will factor in, MS really needs to explain how the Kinect and Cloud Computing comes into the picture at this point.

I've thought of a LOT of great ways the kinect can integrate with new games, but if MS doesn't do it, then I don't see a reason why it should be there.

 

[gus6464]

Except, there is no user cost. That was already specified. The retailer, if anyone, would have to pay the "reactivation" fee for the game, not the customer.

Yes but from what I read a publisher can flat out deny reactivation which essentially kills the used game market for that game. And it would be naive to think that the retailer is not going to pass on that reactivation fee to the customer.

 

[Arkaign]

Except, there is no user cost. That was already specified. The retailer, if anyone, would have to pay the "reactivation" fee for the game, not the customer.

The consumer will indeed pay the fee, because the price for the game will be very controlled.

Without activation / licensing BS DRM, any used game shop / friend / etc can charge whatever they want, outright trade for a case of beer, whatever.

Make no mistake, MS's policies are bad for the consumer here. There's no amount of spin that can fix stupid. And they are doubling down on stupid.

 

[EightySix Four]

This is the boat I'm in as well. I've never even purchased a used game I think. Any game I do purchase used, I highly doubt will have a DRM policy as MS has specificallly said "It will be up to the developer". Being able to go to a friends house, login with my gamer tag, and just play will be huge for me. Half the games I have I've broken the disc or lost the disc for. I'm TERRIBLE with disc copies of game, especially after Steam came out.

Finally, Cloud Computing, if MS can show me that it truly does add power to my system, then I'll be sold. If not though, I really will just purchase based on the games. PS4 will allow me 2 free games from the start with the 100 dollar discount so that I will factor in, MS really needs to explain how the Kinect and Cloud Computing comes into the picture at this point.

I've thought of a LOT of great ways the kinect can integrate with new games, but if MS doesn't do it, then I don't see a reason why it should be there.

As a racing nutcase, I'm pretty stoked about Forza's drivatars using the cloud stuff. Single player racing AIs are awful.

 

[gus6464]

I am very happy with the xbox one announcements. I have steam for my computer games and have no complaints, few people do that use steam. This is a more lenient steam client which will make my life easier. I will have a game library that I can access on any xbox one with my sign in. Developers will get paid for their games, even if not thogh call of duty map packs (on used games).

MS has stated they will not be implementing the DRM but, built the system for the publisher / developer to implment. I would imagine that CD Project Red will not implement it and EA will (like their online pass). PS will most likely still have DRM in the form of publishers issuing one time used codes. I really don't think this is a big deal.

Steam has super cheap games though whereas xbox game are not.

 

[smackababy]

As a racing nutcase, I'm pretty stoked about Forza's drivatars using the cloud stuff. Single player racing AIs are awful.

The only thing is Forza is pretty much 100% online now because of this "feature". Personally, I don't have a problem with that, but I am sure some people will.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Except, there is no user cost. That was already specified. The retailer, if anyone, would have to pay the "reactivation" fee for the game, not the customer.

And GameSpot will just eat that cost out of the goodness of their heart?

Of course not, they will have the customer pay that new fee.

For example, person A brings in game, where the developer + MS have set a $10 trade-in fee. If before GameStop would have paid $30, they now offer ($30 - 10) = $20.

Person B goes to buy the used game. It costs the same $45 as a used xbox 360 game, but now there is no 7-day return policy, or there is a $10 fee for anything except to exchange it with the exact same title.

 

[smackababy]

Steam has super cheap games though whereas xbox game are not.

The new system hasn't go in place yet, so of course they don't have super sales YET. You can speculate that they won't, and I can speculate that they will. The market dictates how much a game can and will sell for. If publishers (who are the ones that set the price) see that a game is not selling a a price, they can lower it until it sells. That is how it works in every market, except for haute couture. And that still sells that insanely high prices.

 

[jrphoenix]

And its permanent, correct? So basically useless.

I think that is a jaded way to look at it. The way I'm reading the situation.. I "lend" my game to a friend (never do, I'm 39 not a teenager, just an example here).. I can then sell the game to gamestop (authorized reseller) who then sells the game and the activation code (if required by publisher, may not be).... or they can buy a code on live.

I see this as more lenient.. free game to a friend while getting trade in.

 

[jrphoenix]

Steam has super cheap games though whereas xbox game are not.

xbox does have sales... heck last week the walking dead episodes were all free. I think that pricing is high but, may be more competetive.