The Official iPhone 5 Thread (Liveblog links inside!)

[jpeyton]

Played with one at the Apple Store today. I honestly didn't notice the larger screen unless I put the phone side-by-side with a 4S (and even then it wasn't obvious). Maybe I'm jaded because I've been using 4"+ screens for 2 years now, and my GS3 dwarfs them all.

The difference in weight and construction was more obvious. It's lighter, but it lacks that solid "deck-of-cards" feel that the 4S had. That said, brushed aluminum is a much better gripping surface than back-glass, and overall the 5 looks sexy. Is it the best looking phone on the market...that's up for debate. It's still a toss-up between the 5 and the HTC One X for me.

Unsurprisingly, after I got done inspecting the design and construction of the 5, I quickly got bored and walked off. iOS6 is a slightly refined version of iOS5, which was a slightly refined version of iOS4...and it's just too boring to hold my attention.

 

[krumme]

at 800mhz that's even more impressive.... its going up against S4 Kraits @ 1.5ghz which crush those quad A9s?

Yeaa. Anand just proved, using money on marketing, beefed up memory interface and promoting memory dependant bm and writing cache agressive browser is far more important than cpu power. Well done Anandtech. Wellcome to the future where marketing and bs rules.

We dont need a15 with small av7 suporting them, when av7 is faster on its own !!!! - its a devine miracle

 

[Eug]

^^^ Using the Android analogy, it looks like somebody completely missed the point of Jelly Bean, which is IMO a far more important advance than a few hundred more MHz.

I'm glad Anand and friends are smart enough to look beyond paper specs, and max performance, everything else (incl. battery life) be damned.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Yeaa. Anand just proved, using money on marketing, beefed up memory interface and promoting memory dependant bm and writing cache agressive browser is far more important than cpu power. Well done Anandtech. Wellcome to the future where marketing and bs rules.

We dont need a15 with small av7 suporting them, when av7 is faster on its own !!!! - its a devine miracle

Maybe I'm missing something in your post. Are you saying that anand and co. got tricked by Apple when running their benchmarks? The results are a marketing ploy?

 

[CZroe]

You can port the mobile number to Google Voice before Straight Talk disables it.

Google charges $20 for that.

 

[lothar]

Google charges $20 for that.

If his number is worth anything to him, it's worth it.

 

[ponyo]

You can port the mobile number to Google Voice before Straight Talk disables it.

I didn't even think about that. Thanks for the suggestion. I checked and the number is eligible for Google Voice porting. I'm going to wait til tomorrow night to see if her number gets returned to Straight Talk. If not, I will start the porting process to Google Voice. I'm fine paying $20 to keep her number.

 

[krumme]

Maybe I'm missing something in your post. Are you saying that anand and co. got tricked by Apple when running their benchmarks? The results are a marketing ploy?

Do you tink its a coincidense the first bm is sunspider?

Why do you think Anand does have important information first?

Obviously is a very delicate business to trade information with the supplyers, and i am pretty sure Anand know what business he is in and the writers have plenty of technical knowledge. We as consumers get the information packed and nicely served for "free". What do you think is the tradeoff?

I do think anand clearly stepped over the fine line here, but hell i am not saying it is easy, its dificult decisions because its a tradeoff. I think Anand bears a bigger responsibility than most other sites because the graphs is used directly by non tech sites, making all sorts of stupid claims based by the graphs. It doesnt matter what the author writes in the text - it disapears by the visual strenght of the graphs.

Do you know what the long term consequences is?

Well its obviously for Apple, Samsung whatever its more favorable to use money on technical marketing, short term browser optimizations, instead of engineering progress. For the consumers its more bs less objective product quality - or just added cost.

Its good its mostly mom and dad that pays for the show

 

[ponyo]

New orders are now 3-4 weeks on AT&T. AT&T was 2-3 weeks yesterday. Apple Store I visited yesterday was absolutely packed with customers. It was my first visit to the mall in over a year and it seemed like 75% of the people at the mall were carrying some type of iPhone.

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

Maybe I'm missing something in your post. Are you saying that anand and co. got tricked by Apple when running their benchmarks? The results are a marketing ploy?

Javascript performance is highly dependant on software optimization and fast memory. But A6 beats Krait in Linpack aswell. It wont beat Cortex A15 but it was never meant to. Its strength is perf/watt and time to market

We are still months away from A15 being in a retail smartphone

 

[Aikouka]

New orders are now 3-4 weeks on AT&T. AT&T was 2-3 weeks yesterday. Apple Store I visited yesterday was absolutely packed with customers. It was my first visit to the mall in over a year and it seemed like 75% of the people at the mall were carrying some type of iPhone.

If there's one thing that I've learned about getting hot Apple products that have mobile connectivity, it's that you go to the store of the carrier that you want. Your local carrier store might still have units in stock, but honestly... it would have been better to check for that on Friday.

After all this annoyance with pre-ordering, not knowing when my device is coming and almost not getting it because my address was wrong, I might just go to the carrier store on release day from now on. My local Verizon store is in such an odd location too... it's rather tucked away in a corner with terrible visibility. Maybe that makes going there even better!

 

[krumme]

Javascript performance is highly dependant on software optimization and fast memory. But A6 beats Krait in Linpack aswell. It wont beat Cortex A15 but it was never meant to. Its strength is perf/watt and time to market

We are still months away from A15 being in a retail smartphone

The av7/A6 is an excellent solution imho. Its plenty fast, and we will see impressive perf/power, meaning solid battery life, and thats what matter for most consumers.

For performance this is probably the right picture:
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...er-than-the-galaxy-s3-faster-than-the-nexus-7

 

[MrX8503]

Its strength is perf/watt and time to market

Exactly. I think those factors are very important to Apple, which has led them to designing their own SoC

 

[Eug]

Exactly. I think those factors are very important to Apple, which has led them to designing their own SoC

I think that's important to most of its customers too. Lots of things have lots of potential, but the bottom line is people want stuff that works, now, in the real world.

 

[Ichinisan]

Is this for real?

It says "By Apple" on the Amazon product page, but it's not on store.apple.com

 

[abaez]

No it's not for real. You can make a product page for whatever you want on amazon.

In other news, http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/24/3381462/iphone-5-scuff-damage-aluminum

Yikes. Very un-apple like.

 

[Oyeve]

No it's not for real. You can make a product page for whatever you want on amazon.

In other news, http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/24/3381462/iphone-5-scuff-damage-aluminum

Yikes. Very un-apple like.

Wow, they should have left the metal uncoated.

 

[Eug]

Is this for real?

It says "By Apple" on the Amazon product page, but it's not on store.apple.com

Hmm...

Seller: lightningmicrousb
Seller Rating: Just Launched

 

[TheStu]

No it's not for real. You can make a product page for whatever you want on amazon.

In other news, http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/24/3381462/iphone-5-scuff-damage-aluminum

Yikes. Very un-apple like.

Apple sells one for the EU. You cannot get it on their US store.

 

[Eug]

Ah yes, I see it here:

http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MD...ro-usb-adapter

The Lightning to Micro USB Adapter lets you connect an iPhone or iPod with Lightning connector to micro USB cables and chargers to sync and charge your device.

Highlights
Connect to micro USB cables and compatible chargers
Ultra-compact, durable design

 

[bearxor]

There are 30-pin to mUSB adapters as well. I think apple includes those in the box for countries that have required mUSB standardization.

 

[Ichinisan]

Apple sells one for the EU. You cannot get it on their US store.

iWant one

 

[Ichinisan]

There are 30-pin to mUSB adapters as well. I think apple includes those in the box for countries that have required mUSB standardization.

iWant one of those too.
[link]

 

[bearxor]

iWant one of those too.
[link]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-iPhon...077400?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item1c299a8798

$12.99, free shipping from Chicago. Probably have to wait a couple of months for the Lightning to mUSB to become available from the states.

Edit: Yeah, definitely wait a couple of months. $50 is crazy.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-IPhon...170320?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item2575cd2bd0

 

[Eug]

Apple's ARM cores were laid out by hand. Apparently, that's a really big deal in chip design.

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Apple-A6-Teardown/10528/1
http://www.chipworks.com/blog/recen.../apple-iphone-5-the-a6-application-processor/