The Official If Bernie Sanders wins the nomination thread.....

[Starbuck1975]

Dude could BARELY stop himself from saying "But stop and frisk was actually good".

More than a few Democrat front runners and even Presidents have exhibited their law and order bona fides. This is not unique to Bloomberg.

 

[K1052]

More than a few Democrat front runners and even Presidents have exhibited their law and order bona fides. This is not unique to Bloomberg.

Kinda awkward to lie about what you did, sort of admit it wasn’t right, and then totally look like you want to re-endorse the policy anyway in practically the same sentence. On national tv. With a bunch of people who are going to pounce on any stumble and set you aflame.

 

[theeedude]

So basically FYGM Nimbyists who occasionally virtue signal to rationalize their materialism, and who largely shifted blue because they were butthurt over losing their SALT deductions.

I think they dislike Trump because of the endless corruption too. But Socialist is going to be a tough sell.

 

[theeedude]

You forget why people voted Trump?
To rock the boat.

I think everyone is about ready to throw up now.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Kinda awkward to lie about what you did, sort of admit it wasn’t right, and then totally look like you want to re-endorse the policy anyway in practically the same sentence. On national tv. With a bunch of people who are going to pounce on any stumble and set you aflame.

Definitely a momentum killer, and surprising he wasn’t more prepared for that question. A lot of candidates flip flop on this issue. He managed to do it in one sentence.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I think they dislike Trump because of the endless corruption too. But Socialist is going to be a tough sell.

Socialism gave us unions, social security, health care for seniors and a strong middle class. Not sure why its so hard to sell a reversion to the America that won WW2.

 

[Atreus21]

Socialism gave us unions, social security, health care for seniors and a strong middle class. Not sure why its so hard to sell a reversion to the America that won WW2.

I wish someone would define middle class.

 

[Jhhnn]

So basically FYGM Nimbyists who occasionally virtue signal to rationalize their materialism, and who largely shifted blue because they were butthurt over losing their SALT deductions.

That's scurrilous innuendo, as usual. Maybe there's still some core of basic morality among the voters.

 

[Indus]

I wish someone would define middle class.

Those who make $100k - $500k a year?

Most of us though have become the WORKING POOR.

 

[Jhhnn]

Those who make $100k - $500k a year?

Most of us though have become the WORKING POOR.

Negative. That's an aspirational lifestyle, not reality. An honest definition of middle class covers the 30-70% of family income. In many parts of the world, those people are dirt fucking poor, the GOP idea of proper distribution.

The querist just wants something to argue against.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Socialism gave us unions, social security, health care for seniors and a strong middle class. Not sure why its so hard to sell a reversion to the America that won WW2.

Because a good majority will (by default) dig their heels in.

Change is risk. Thus - risk is often not desired by most Americans unless you're an entrepreneur type.

If you have an employer healthcare plan and are happy with it - why change? If you paid for Medicare on your paycheck and are now using it as a senior, why let others in on it that didn't pay up?

I'm not justifying these thoughts or saying I agree with them - just giving you a point of view of why a lot of Americans will not be in favor of it.

 

[Ken g6]

You forget why people voted Trump?

To rock the boat.

You might have a point.

There are, theoretically, two ways to win the Presidency. In general, a candidate has to appeal to a majority of all kinds of voters.

Most candidates take that to mean "make an appeal". So they talk calmly and clearly and try to reason with voters. That kind of hasn't worked since Bush v. Gore, where both candidates were soporific. (Even then Bush was at least "folksy".) It didn't work in 2012 with Mitt Romney, or 2016 with Hillary. John McCain sort of tried it in 2008, until he got desperate and got a crazy running mate.

The other way to win is to "be appealing". To energize the only voters you're going to get, so they all turn out, because "There Is No Swing Voter". Obama did it. I'd even say (Bill) Clinton did it. Trump has taken this to the next level. The only exciting candidate I see for Democrats is Bernie.

Now, the first problem with this theory is I can't recall an election where two "exciting" candidates went head-to-head. I don't know what might happen.

The second problem with this theory is I can't figure out why either "exciting" guy this year is so "exciting". 😕 Bernie's talking about hopeful change, so that might give him an edge. Both candidates who defeated incumbents in recent memory, Bill Clinton and Reagan, talked about hope and change. But I can't recall any American candidate winning by talking about doom the way Trump did.

 

[hal2kilo]

The country gambled on trickle down as a policy to supposedly float all the boats for the last 50 or so years. Why not gamble on a more socialized economy.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Those who make $100k - $500k a year?

Most of us though have become the WORKING POOR.

Fucking lol....

God damn you want to talk about people that are a part of privilege with no real grasp of what the middle class is...

 

[Starbuck1975]

I wish someone would define middle class.

Middle class is above poverty but below affluence, what the majority of households used to be in America.

 

[Blackjack200]

Seems Bernie, has quite the following. If this still holds in SC, then his appeal is much broader than I thought. The youngsters have to show up if this is going to work.

Underrated how similar the Sanders coalition is to the Obama coalition. The appeal to minorities is a big change from 2016 and Nina Turner and Briahna Joy Gray deserve so much credit for his. Nina Turner for VP.

Kinda awkward to lie about what you did, sort of admit it wasn’t right, and then totally look like you want to re-endorse the policy anyway in practically the same sentence. On national tv. With a bunch of people who are going to pounce on any stumble and set you aflame.

In addition to being a venal and odious person, Bloomberg arrogant, stupid, and politically inept. He is surrounded by yes-men that fooled him into thinking he was electable. Bloomberg is the personification of the greed and unfairness that Sanders is running against, I'm starting to think that his decision to enter the race has been a tremendous boost to Sanders's message.

 

[hal2kilo]

Underrated how similar the Sanders coalition is to the Obama coalition. The appeal to minorities is a big change from 2016 and Nina Turner and Briahna Joy Gray deserve so much credit for his. Nina Turner for VP.



In addition to being a venal and odious person, Bloomberg arrogant, stupid, and politically inept. He is surrounded by yes-men that fooled him into thinking he was electable. Bloomberg is the personification of the greed and unfairness that Sanders is running against, I'm starting to think that his decision to enter the race has been a tremendous boost to Sanders's message.

I don't think Bloomberg has a chance.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Because a good majority will (by default) dig their heels in.

Change is risk. Thus - risk is often not desired by most Americans unless you're an entrepreneur type.

If you have an employer healthcare plan and are happy with it - why change? If you paid for Medicare on your paycheck and are now using it as a senior, why let others in on it that didn't pay up?

I'm not justifying these thoughts or saying I agree with them - just giving you a point of view of why a lot of Americans will not be in favor of it.

I am looking at the entrepreneurial and career mobility opportunities that will open once health care is no longer tied to employment. Sure, my current health care is great. I could also lose it tomorrow.

 

[Blackjack200]

I am looking at the entrepreneurial and career mobility opportunities that will open once health care is no longer tied to employment. Sure, my current health care is great. I could also lose it tomorrow.

I work for a large financial institution that provides "good insurance". My coworkers complain about it constantly because of the high payroll deductions, high deductibles, and constant scrambling to make sure they're seeing providers that are covered. I wouldn't call them M4A disciples, but they could be persuaded.

 

[hal2kilo]

More than a few Democrat front runners and even Presidents have exhibited their law and order bona fides. This is not unique to Bloomberg.

Only because in conservatives minds, law and order is usually no. 2 after lowering taxes. Dems get accused of being soft on crime all the time. So it became fashionable, as well as getting people off of welfare. This should get you all creamy. And yes, I blame that on the Clintons.

 

[compuwiz1]

I don't think Bloomberg has a chance.

Bloomberg = incessant spam. I know many people, many of which are Democrats, who are put off by the endless mail, TV ads, and even Text messages and phone calls. It's pretty ridiculous that he's spending a really offensive amount of money that could be used for being of service to altruistic purposes. And they call Trump a narcissist...
If Bloombomb's last debate performance is any indication of his prowess, he might as well light all that money on fire, on 5th avenue. He should light it in bum barrels to keep people warm.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Bloomberg = incessant spam. I know many people, many of which are Democrats, who are put off by the endless mail, TV ads, and even Text messages and phone calls. It's pretty ridiculous that he's spending a really offensive amount of money that could be used for being of service to altruistic purposes. And they call Trump a narcissist...
If Bloombomb's last debate performance is any indication of his prowess, he might as well light all that money on fire, on 5th avenue. He should light it in bum barrels to keep people warm.

Isn't part of it just name recognition though since most people don't even try to keep up with politics? That's part of the reason I think Bernie is the front-runner - his name is naturally recognized from last election cycle...

 

[sandorski]

Bernie and Trump are essentially campaigning against the same thing, the entrenched Washington establishment, and the message obviously resonates with the voters. If you trend right then Trump is your guy, you go left, it is Bernie. And the established government is just shitting their pants. Because it looks like it's going to be one or the other who is the next president, and neither will follow the expectations of the bureaucrats.

Trump was a message that the populace hates Washington so they threw a grenade in there. Bernie Sanders is the left's version of that grenade. What the political parties should take-away from this is that the populace fucking hates all of them with a passion. They are less popular than hemorrhoids, Nickleback and herpes. But their jobs depend on not fixing that so we are left with this mess.

But Bernie is the left's version of a disruptive grenade. In a country that's predominantly center right by global standards and by Bernie's standards. In a country in which the performance of the stock market and the robustness of the job market are valued above all things, both of which are currently doing OK under Republican policies. And in America, uniquely in the industrialized world, the job market is inextricably interlinked with access to health care, which Bernie has promised to totally gut.

There's capitalist societies which have a strong social safety net (e.g. the touted "Scandinavian socialists", or, I suppose "Democratic Socialists") and the socialist societies that take over the means of production (the "Socialists Socialists", or, as Republicans say "Commies"). It's not difficult at all to get behind the former, but unfortunately Bernie has a long record of getting behind both. While he may not be singing the latter's praises lately, I have not heard any strong repudiation of his past remarks and associations. He generally is dismissive, with comments like "Why don't you bring up my 3rd grade book reports?" This in spite of the fact that he was grown man at the time. Yes, I do think that will be a problem for him if he wins the nomination, because Trump and the Republicans are going to bash Sanders and the electorate over the head with it.

The main line of attack will be "Bernie is a socialist who will destroy the economy and take away your private health insurance". It will be highly effective. A secondary line of attack will be that "Bernie hates America and has palled around with left-wing communist dicators for decades" It will be moderately effective with older voters. I hope he can overcome this with crossover messaging. So far I haven't seen it. We''ll see if his messaging changes if he wins the nomination. I will be behind Bernie if he wins

This is an "OK Boomer" post. These are the thoughts of "Old" people and only Old people, except for maybe that schmuck Ben Shapiro. This sentiment is just fear of the unknown and lacks awareness of what is happening on the Street.

 

[Jhhnn]

Bloomberg = incessant spam. I know many people, many of which are Democrats, who are put off by the endless mail, TV ads, and even Text messages and phone calls. It's pretty ridiculous that he's spending a really offensive amount of money that could be used for being of service to altruistic purposes. And they call Trump a narcissist...
If Bloombomb's last debate performance is any indication of his prowess, he might as well light all that money on fire, on 5th avenue. He should light it in bum barrels to keep people warm.

Working the old double standard, huh? It's not like he's stealing from his own charity.

 

[sandorski]

Middle class is above poverty but below affluence, what the majority of households used to be in America.

I'd also add: While Owing/Purchasing a Home, a Car, raising a Family, all on 1 8hr/day 5 days/week Job. For a few decades this was practically available to anyone who wasn't a Criminal, Heroin or other Drug Addict, Disabled, or just some total Slacker.