The official consequences caused by the overturning of Roe thread

[Lanyap]

This is what rural America voted for. Fewer white rural babies.

Don’t worry, urban Democrats will buy up all your land for our remote work communes soon enough.

The law of unintended consequences.

A nation, for example, might ban abortion on moral grounds even though children born as a result of the policy may be unwanted and likely to be more dependent on the state. The unwanted children are an unintended consequence of banning abortions, but not an unforeseen one.

 

[Lanyap]

I need to point out something EVERYBODY is conveniently leaving out:

She used meth while she was pregnant.

I'm not saying that makes her a murderer. I'm saying its a fact being conveniently ignored. If theres nothing wrong with using meth while pregnant, fine. Dont leave it out of the story.

I also fact checked it and there is more to the story which makes it even more complicated but she should not have been convicted of murder.

Brittney Poolaw, then 19 years old, showed up at the Comanche County Memorial Hospital in Oklahoma last year after suffering a miscarriage at home. She had been about 17 weeks pregnant. According to an affidavit from a police detective who interviewed her, she admitted to hospital staff that she had recently used both methamphetamine and marijuana.

A medical examiner cited her drug use as one of several “conditions contributing” to the miscarriage, a list which also included congenital abnormality and placental abruption. Poolaw was arrested on a charge of manslaughter in the first degree, and because she couldn’t afford a $20,000 bond, jailed for a year and a half awaiting trial.

The trial finally took place this month and lasted one day. According to a local television station, an expert witness for the prosecution testified that methamphetamine use may not have been directly responsible for the death of Poolaw’s fetus. Nevertheless, after deliberating for less than three hours, a jury found her guilty, and she was sentenced to four years in prison.

From the detective’s affidavit, it seems possible Poolaw’s entire ordeal might have been avoided had she had access to decent reproductive health care. Poolaw, the detective wrote, “stated when she found out she was pregnant she didn’t know if she wanted the baby or not. She said she wasn’t familiar with how or where to get an abortion.”

Poolaw’s case is an injustice, but it is also a warning. This is what happens when the law treats embryos and fetuses as people with rights that supersede the rights of those who carry them. And it offers a glimpse of the sort of prosecutions that could become common in a world in which Roe v. Wade is overturned, one we could be living in as soon as next year.

Abortion opponents often insist they have no intention of imprisoning women who end their pregnancies. When, as a presidential candidate, Donald Trump said that there should be “some form of punishment” for women who have abortions, he was widely denounced by mainstream anti-abortion activists: Peggy Nance, head of Concerned Women for America, called him “the caricature that the left tries to paint us to be.”

Opinion | When a Miscarriage Is Manslaughter (Published 2021)

Glimpses of a post-Roe world in Oklahoma.

www.nytimes.com

 

[fskimospy]

with risk of miscarriage & spontaneous abortion running from 15-85% your risk of being tried and put to death is to high to risk getting pregnant in these states.

I know this is not the first time you’ve brought this up but it is an excellent point that no one has been able to rebut. In any other context if you took an action that had an 80% chance of killing someone you would be indicted for manslaughter at least.

The obvious answer here is that it should be criminal for a woman over 40 to have sex, but because people don’t like that answer they just pretend it doesn’t exist.

 

[Pens1566]

That'll be fun. Overworked stress induced miscarriage? Murder. Tazed by police, resulting in miscarriage? Murder. May as well just lock the pregnant ones up now until the child is born.

Yep. Next it'll be something stupid like caffeine.

 

[MtnMan]

Women/babies will die because of this.

They don't fucking care...

 

[Pens1566]

They don't fucking care...

Oh, I know.

 

[shortylickens]

What really bothers me is every single year Republicans do more and worse things and yet for some reason our voter turnout has not gone above 63 percent for about a hundred years, and Donald actually got 3 million more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. I'm sorry to say it but the angry nut jobs are winning, and breeding more angry nut jobs. Apparently shooting people in the street and executing young women just aren't enough to make Americans give a crap.

 

[Paratus]

I know this is not the first time you’ve brought this up but it is an excellent point that no one has been able to rebut. In any other context if you took an action that had an 80% chance of killing someone you would be indicted for manslaughter at least.

The obvious answer here is that it should be criminal for a woman over 40 to have sex, but because people don’t like that answer they just pretend it doesn’t exist.

It’s amazing hypocrisy. If you point out that by not abstaining from sex they are responsible for miscarriages or spontaneous abortion they’ll stomp their feet saying they have no control over that. (Because abstinence doesn’t work I guess)

When it comes to a (minority) woman who has a miscarriage she’ll be held responsible due to: drugs, alcohol, exercising, not exercising, the food she ate, the food she didn’t eat, being beaten, etc by the same hypocritical assholes who just argued they have no control when they do it.

 

[blackangst1]

Another one:

Idaho hospital will stop delivering babies as doctors flee state due to abortion ban (msn.com)

 

[hal2kilo]

I love this article. This goes along with my theory that accusing Republicans/conservatives of hypocrisy just has no effect. It's like they don't understand what it means, or they actual have 0 moral principals that they operate from.

Lauren Boebert blows up the GOP's biggest talking point | Salon.com

As has been extensively documented, the Republican Party continues to use the Southern Strategy. GOP officials regularly deploy racist stereotypes about "black welfare queens" and "urban poverty" and "ghetto culture" as a way of encouraging white racial resentment and outright racism to get and keep political power. The idea that lazy and undeserving Black people are "stealing from white America" and are "takers not makers" who don't believe in hard work" and only want "handouts" is a centuries-old lie and fiction that continues through to the present.

By comparison, Republicans deploy a narrative that depicts poor and working-class white people as being especially noble, patriotic, and "real Americans" who are more deserving of government assistance (but never "welfare" because that language is verboten as applied to "respectable" "hardworking" white people). Alternatively, when judged to be politically advantageous, those same elites will quickly erase the white poor and working class, ignoring them as inconveniences whose very existence highlights the inherent inequalities of capitalism and other structural failings of American society.

Here are some additional inconvenient facts that upset the dominant narrative about the color line and poverty in America: White people constitute the largest group of poor people in America. Red states receive a disproportionate amount of support from the federal government and blue states. In fact, White people are the greatest beneficiaries of "welfare" in American history.

Boebert's thinly coded racist language of "rural conservative values" is one more example of how racism hurts white people.
To that point, new research by psychologists Dr. Erin Cooley and Dr. Jazmin Brown-Iannuzzi shows that white people are actually very protective of welfare and other government supports for other white people, while simultaneously stigmatizing Black people. These new findings echo other research which has repeatedly shown that many white people change their assessment of a given individual's behavior and morality based on perceived racial group membership where Black people are judged more harshly than white people for doing the same things. Other research shows how white poor and working-class people who use food stamps and other welfare programs rationalize their behavior as somehow being morally superior and different as compared to other people who receive the same benefits.

 

[nakedfrog]

Texas abortion law means woman has to continue pregnancy despite fatal anomaly

Her doctors agreed mom was at risk, but said their hands were tied legally.

abcnews.go.com

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Texas abortion law means woman has to continue pregnancy despite fatal anomaly

Her doctors agreed mom was at risk, but said their hands were tied legally.

abcnews.go.com

Fuck them, they got what they voted for. I'm glad she has to carry that defective big headed baby to term since she and her husband forced this law on all of us to own the libs.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Texas abortion law means woman has to continue pregnancy despite fatal anomaly

Her doctors agreed mom was at risk, but said their hands were tied legally.

abcnews.go.com

Before this pregnancy, Beaton said she never would have considered getting an abortion. Now, she believes abortions should be allowed in cases like hers and for women with other health conditions to get the care they need.

"I'm personally not for it being a way of birth control. I do believe that there are certain instances where I deem that it is necessary," she said. "Never in a million years would I expect or believe that we will be going through what we're going through now."

Aww poor Kylie, world's smallest violin. Never had any problem when you were forcing this shit on others, but now you gotta live with the law your shitbag morals led you to vote for and support.

 

[nakedfrog]

Aww poor Kylie, world's smallest violin. Never had any problem when you were forcing this shit on others, but now you gotta live with the law your shitbag morals led you to vote for and support.

Dunno if this has already been posted in this thread, but just in case:

“The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”

When the Anti-Choice Choose By Joyce Arthur Copyright © September, 2000 Available in a German translation Available in a Russian translation DailyKos version (July 2007) Abortion is a highly person…

joycearthur.com

 

[Paratus]

“You Know What? I’m Not Doing This Anymore”: The Disaster in Texas Everyone Should Have Seen Coming

Soon, it could get much worse.

slate.com

A good article on effects of these Texas anti-abortion laws on pregnant women, fetuses, and the medical community.

Long story short expect the already poor availability of medical care in rural Texas to become even worse as OB-GYN and labor and delivery nurses leave the state.

But rural Texas doesn’t need health care so they can sacrifice themselves to prevent medically necessary abortions.

 

[akugami]

Texas abortion law means woman has to continue pregnancy despite fatal anomaly

Her doctors agreed mom was at risk, but said their hands were tied legally.

abcnews.go.com

Fuck around, find out.

Call me a bad person, but at this point, I don't give a shit. I'm through feeling pity for people who make the lives of others more shitty. You made your bed. Sleep in it.

The fetus has my commiserations. I wish no pain on any innocents.

This situation hits home very hard. I have a close relative who has a defective gene. Unknown to this relative, the spouse also has the same defective gene. They carried their first baby to full term, only to find out after the baby was born that it could not survive because both parents passed on the defective gene. One bad gene passed on is ok, but not from both parents. They've since gotten the proper test when they were expecting more children, and even had to abort again. But better the abortion than the pain and suffering of carrying a child to full term, only to watch it die in your arms.

 

[akugami]

“You Know What? I’m Not Doing This Anymore”: The Disaster in Texas Everyone Should Have Seen Coming

Soon, it could get much worse.

slate.com

A good article on effects of these Texas anti-abortion laws on pregnant women, fetuses, and the medical community.

Long story short expect the already poor availability of medical care in rural Texas to become even worse as OB-GYN and labor and delivery nurses leave the state.

But rural Texas doesn’t need health care so they can sacrifice themselves to prevent medically necessary abortions.

GOP spin: We've saved the state money on unnecessary health care!

 

[theeedude]

Texas abortion law means woman has to continue pregnancy despite fatal anomaly

Her doctors agreed mom was at risk, but said their hands were tied legally.

abcnews.go.com

She should drive to Alito's house and ask him what she should do.

 

[nakedfrog]

Next up, Idaho, with the creation of an "abortion trafficking" law.

Idaho Is About To Be The First State To Restrict Interstate Travel For Abortion Post-Roe

A bill would create a whole new crime — dubbed “abortion trafficking” — a felony offense that aims to limit minors’ ability to travel for abortion care without parental consent.

www.yahoo.com

 

[akugami]

I'm sure people who can think for themselves already know this, but the GOP are hypocrites. They're also not pro-life. They're pro-birth. What happens to the kid after it is born is not their problem. That's your problem.

 

[shortylickens]

Next up, Idaho, with the creation of an "abortion trafficking" law.

Idaho Is About To Be The First State To Restrict Interstate Travel For Abortion Post-Roe

A bill would create a whole new crime — dubbed “abortion trafficking” — a felony offense that aims to limit minors’ ability to travel for abortion care without parental consent.

www.yahoo.com

I mean, I know this is unconstitutional. But like we've been saying for years, Republicans have a very regular habit of violating the constitution, telling you to go fuck yourself, then waiting years for issues to work their way up to Supreme Court. In the meantime they make your life miserable. In theory if they break the constitution and use government resources to do it, they should be prosecuted.
They never are.

And what's worse is stuff like Roe V Wade, where it actually was law for damn near 50 years and loads of government officials just flat out ignored it, then it got overturned by an obviously conservative Supreme Court, and the very same day those fuck stains screamed "ITS THE LAWWWW! DEEEEAAAAAL WITH IT!"

 

[nakedfrog]

I mean, I know this is unconstitutional. But like we've been saying for years, Republicans have a very regular habit of violating the constitution, telling you to go fuck yourself, then waiting years for issues to work their way up to Supreme Court. In the meantime they make your life miserable. In theory if they break the constitution and use government resources to do it, they should be prosecuted.
They never are.

And what's worse is stuff like Roe V Wade, where it actually was law for damn near 50 years and loads of government officials just flat out ignored it, then it got overturned by an obviously conservative Supreme Court, and the very same day those fuck stains screamed "ITS THE LAWWWW! DEEEEAAAAAL WITH IT!"

Yeah, and a lot of them also said "you'll just have to go to another state now", so of course they're working on that now too.

 

[shortylickens]

Florida Democratic Chair Nikki Fried, Sen. Lauren Book arrested during abortion bill protest

Groups advocating for abortion rights say this proposal disproportionally affects low-income women and people of color.

www.cbsnews.com

They are fighting back.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Florida Democratic Chair Nikki Fried, Sen. Lauren Book arrested during abortion bill protest

Groups advocating for abortion rights say this proposal disproportionally affects low-income women and people of color.

www.cbsnews.com

They are fighting back.

florida? i'm surprised they weren't run over

 

[Fenixgoon]

Florida going full Florida again. I assume it will ultimately got DeSantis' desk for signature

Florida Senate passes 6-week abortion ban | CNN Politics

Florida's state Senate on Monday passed a bill that would ban most abortions in the state after the gestational age of six weeks, or about four weeks of pregnancy.

www.cnn.com