The official consequences caused by the overturning of Roe thread

[HomerJS]

Since a judge banned the drug because he claims FDA didn't evaluate possible psychological issues Dems need to judge shop to get ALL ED medications off the shelves. Since Pubs have limited women's access to abortions, we need to limit the meds used to get women pregnant.

Seems logical to me. Piss off the right people and all this bullshit stops.

 

[fskimospy]

Well the conflicting TX and WA rulings guarantee a SCOTUS decision. FDA can't satisfy both as they currently sit.

I think at this point the executive needs to start saying they will not abide by these decisions. They are pure Calvinball.

 

[Franz316]

It seems like not a day goes by where the GQP doesn't do something batshit crazy, something ethically wrong, or something wildly unpopular

 

[HomerJS]

Biden needs to appoint 2 more judges to that district to end judge shopping by Pubs.

 

[Pens1566]

I think at this point the executive needs to start saying they will not abide by these decisions. They are pure Calvinball.

I would agree if the crazy decision had come from SCOTUS. No need to waste that action on a backwoods district judge. Save the big guns for the big fight. They should file the emergency appeal on this so SCOTUS can rule.

 

[Pens1566]

Additional note, it looks like some states are going to ignore it at least. IL and MA specifically ... so far.

This could get interesting.

 

[Pens1566]

And DoJ will appeal to 5th Circuit. Not sure on the rationale of that with the WA ruling being in conflict. Maybe they're just following the chain knowing that 5th circuit will rubber stamp the TX judge.

 

[akugami]

Since a judge banned the drug because he claims FDA didn't evaluate possible psychological issues Dems need to judge shop to get ALL ED medications off the shelves. Since Pubs have limited women's access to abortions, we need to limit the meds used to get women pregnant.

Seems logical to me. Piss off the right people and all this bullshit stops.

It's a load of bullshit because you can use that angle and make up any bullshit "they didn't think of this situation when evaluating the drug" excuse to ban it. The only time they have a leg to stand on with those types of excuse is with empirical evidence. And we know they have zero evidence except some sort of inbred hillbilly he said she said anecdote.

 

[Zorba]

Texas judge...

MSN

I have 2 questions. Conservatives forever have decried judges ruling from the bench. This judge is overruling a government agency whose job it is to approve drugs and is substituting his opinion for the FDA. Isn't that legislating from the bench?

Second question how does a conservative group have standing to file this case? Doesn't the plaintiff have to show harm to themselves? Who is the plaintiff representing? The drug has been on the market for 20 yesrs and has been proven safe.

Standing only matters if you are against a conservative policy, been this way for at least a decade.

 

[Zorba]

As per what is happening in this state, in Florida, in TN, and in others, we have nothing in common anymore. It's time to propose a national divorce. Save the decent states that can be saved and then at least we will have a sane country to work with and try to help the good folks stuck in the GQP land states to escape. If we don't we will end up with no good country.

Or you know, pass a federal ban on Gerrymandering and massively increase the house. This shit happens because Gerrymandering and the partisan, first past the post primaries.

 

[MrSquished]

Or you know, pass a federal ban on Gerrymandering and massively increase the house. This shit happens because Gerrymandering and the partisan, first past the post primaries.

Sure. But please tell me how that will happen with our current congress and how do you see the Dems getting enough power to do this anytime soon?

 

[Zorba]

Sure. But please tell me how that will happen with our current congress and how do you see the Dems getting enough power to do this anytime soon?

It's sure as hell much more likely than dividing the country in half. Considering we were just one senate vote away from it 2 years ago.

 

[Zorba]

Also,. the divide is not Southern/Northern, or Red/Blue States, it is rural and Miami vs suburban and urban. California and New York both have more republican representatives than most southern states. The majority of blacks and minorities also live in these states. Yet, you think the best plan say sucks to be you to all of these people and let them fend for themselves with a bunch of fascists taking full power. It's really pretty sick to think "Those people are so sexist in racist, so let's just give them half the country and more than half our minorities. Because those black people and those women don't deserve protection, because the racists around them voted for fascists."

I really don't get how you look at the south as some monolithic block where everyone deserves to punished.

 

[MrSquished]

Also,. the divide is not Southern/Northern, or Red/Blue States, it is rural and Miami vs suburban and urban. California and New York both have more republican representatives than most southern states. The majority of blacks and minorities also live in these states. Yet, you think the best plan say sucks to be you to all of these people and let them fend for themselves with a bunch of fascists taking full power. It's really pretty sick to think "Those people are so sexist in racist, so let's just give them half the country and more than half our minorities. Because those black people and those women don't deserve protection, because the racists around them voted for fascists."

I really don't get how you look at the south as some monolithic block where everyone deserves to punished.

I don't. I've literally stated a million times I feel for the sane people in these areas that will be left behind, and would like the union of sane states to start a relocation program for those who want to live in decency. I mean I could not have been clearer that I don't think everyone there deserves to be stuck under shitty GQP rule at all. I understand the rural/urban divide, I've posted about it, but you can't separate a country like that unfortunately. It has to be by states.

But there comes a point where it's either get rid of the cancer even if you lose some good cells, because otherwise the whole country is going to be fucked.

Even this last election the Dems BARELY got an extra seat in the Senate. BARELY. And it was a reelection map that favored the Dems in the Senate. I'm not sure what evidence people are seeing that the Dems are going to get enough power with the right people and on top of that, do relatively drastic things with that power. I wish they would, I'm just being realistic.

 

[hal2kilo]

Additional note, it looks like some states are going to ignore it at least. IL and MA specifically ... so far.

This could get interesting.

You can count WA state on this.

 

[HomerJS]

It's a load of bullshit because you can use that angle and make up any bullshit "they didn't think of this situation when evaluating the drug" excuse to ban it. The only time they have a leg to stand on with those types of excuse is with empirical evidence. And we know they have zero evidence except some sort of inbred hillbilly he said she said anecdote.

Adding to what you said...

Texas judge's ruling to ban mifepristone nationwide cites Wikipedia, contains pro-life talking points, and gets basic facts about abortion wrong: Experts say it's 'completely flawed'

Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk overturned FDA approval of an abortion medication with a ruling full of inaccuracies, legal and healthcare experts told Insider.

www.yahoo.com

 

[MrSquished]

I would bet on NJ ignoring this

 

[hal2kilo]

Adding to what you said...

Texas judge's ruling to ban mifepristone nationwide cites Wikipedia, contains pro-life talking points, and gets basic facts about abortion wrong: Experts say it's 'completely flawed'

Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk overturned FDA approval of an abortion medication with a ruling full of inaccuracies, legal and healthcare experts told Insider.

www.yahoo.com

Wicky is only good for a basic bio. Any thing further should be checked elsewhere.

 

[HomerJS]

What happens when some conservative organization decides they don't like some other drug, let's say a vaccine and judge shop to get it removed?

 

[kitkat22]

What happens when some conservative organization decides they don't like some other drug, let's say a vaccine and judge shop to get it removed?

I can think of several "controversial" potentials. Got to watch those transgender individuals.
1) estrogen
2) testosterone

But ya know, the others like amphetamines, morphine, fentanyl, dilaudid, oxycodone, oxycontin, MScontin, tramadol, lorazepam, diazepam that are addictive. Nah, don't need to touch those.

 

[sportage]

What happens when some conservative organization decides they don't like some other drug, let's say a vaccine and judge shop to get it removed?

I'll one up you on that...
How about when some conservative organization gets this same judge to outlaw hiv medications?
THAT ruling I would definitely expect considering who it is those medications benefit.

 

[MrSquished]

Iowa not helping rape victims with emergency contraceptives. Same state who tried to fire an employee who was gay and harassed him. He sued and got 1.5 million. Anyone still not understand these people are our enemies, and the battle lines have been drawn?

Iowa won't pay for rape victims' abortions or contraceptives

The Iowa Attorney General’s Office has paused its practice of paying for emergency contraception, and in rare cases abortions, for victims of sexual assault

abcnews.go.com

 

[sandorski]

Get a Judge to rule Oil is unconstitutional, that'll get Texas's attention.

 

[kitkat22]

Get a Judge to rule Oil is unconstitutional, that'll get Texas's attention.

Agreed, according to Wikipedia, we haven't researched all the potential side effects.

 

[HomerJS]

I suspect this will not end until Progressives declare war on these people and start attacking their cherished possessions.

I'm still hoping in Florida one of the book banning states someone file a complaint about the Bible saying it promotes slavery. Exodus 21:7