The official consequences caused by the overturning of Roe thread

[nakedfrog]

Adding to what you said...

Texas judge's ruling to ban mifepristone nationwide cites Wikipedia, contains pro-life talking points, and gets basic facts about abortion wrong: Experts say it's 'completely flawed'

Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk overturned FDA approval of an abortion medication with a ruling full of inaccuracies, legal and healthcare experts told Insider.

www.yahoo.com

I was curious how much of a thing judges citing Wikipedia is, and...

...the fuck?

Wondering Whether to Cite Wikipedia?

As information becomes more readily available, the legal community must question whether bright-line rules regarding Internet citations are even tenable.

www.americanbar.org

According to the Rosenthal court, judicial opinions began invoking Wikipedia references for support over a decade ago, in 2004. Rosenthal, 2017 WL 1041234, at *5 (citing Jodi L. Wilson, Proceed with Extreme Caution: Citation to Wikipedia in Light of Contributor Demographics and Content Policies, 16 Vand. J. Ent. & Tech. L. 857, 868 (2014)). However, such citations were scarce and often related to non-dispositive matters or were included in string citations. In Bing Shun Li v. Holder, the Fifth Circuit cautioned against reliance on Wikipedia, agreeing that courts have found it to be an “unreliable source of information” and warning “against any improper reliance on it or similarly unreliable internet sources in the future.” 400 F. App’x 854, 857 (5th Cir. 2010).

Ultimately, the Supreme Court in Rosenthal held that the court of appeals improperly utilized Wikipedia as a primary source “to ascribe a specific, narrow definition to a single term that the court found significantly influenced the article’s gist.” 2017 WL 1041234, at *6 (emphasis added). Indeed, the main problem with the court of appeals’ decision was that it had relied on the Wikipedia definition “as the lynchpin of its analysis on a critical issue” despite the existence of other sources that offered a broader common meaning. Id. Importantly, the Supreme Court’s analysis highlights that citation to Wikipedia is favored as “a starting point for research purposes” or when used sparingly for minor points in judicial opinions. Id. at *5.

The citation of Wikipedia in judicial opinions - Document - Gale Academic OneFile

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Wikipedia has been cited in over four hundred American judicial opinions. Courts have taken judicial notice of Wikipedia content, based their reasoning on Wikipedia entries, and decided dispositive motions on the basis of Wikipedia content.

 

[K1052]

BRB I'ma gonna sue that viagra was improperly authorized. Do I use it? No. But as a person in possession of a penis I take exception that this dangerous drug was approved without study so obviously I have standing in these courts. My citations from delusional 16th century Portuguese philosophers, random construction site porta potty graffiti, and the output of an Ouija session that I played on peyote are included below for evidence.

 

[akugami]

BRB I'ma gonna sue that viagra was improperly authorized. Do I use it? No. But as a person in possession of a penis I take exception that this dangerous drug was approved without study so obviously I have standing in these courts. My citations from delusional 16th century Portuguese philosophers, random construction site porta potty graffiti, and the output of an Ouija session that I played on peyote are included below for evidence.

Add me to the suit.

The blue pill reminds me of the sky. The sky represents open spaces to me.

I have kenophobia, which is the fear of open or empty space. I was diagnosed by Dr. Rumack.

 

[kage69]

Repugs are so screwed in 2024, I can't wait. Blue wave? Blue cataclysm. GenZ hates these people with the fury of a thousand suns. I don't think the last 3 beat downs will be anything like what these christofascist traitors have on the way.

 

[eelw]

Repugs are so screwed in 2024, I can't wait.

Wasn’t this supposed to happen in the midterms with Roe being overturned? Like how stupid are Americans???

 

[Fenixgoon]

Wasn’t this supposed to happen in the midterms with Roe being overturned? Like how stupid are Americans???

The midterms were a disaster for republicans. Normally the president's party gets obliterated in midterms. Sure dems lost the house, but they gained seats in the Senate, which is arguably more important.
Yes ideally dems would have solid majorities in both houses, but in the historical context, it was a huge upset for republicans.

 

[uclaLabrat]

The midterms were a disaster for republicans. Normally the president's party gets obliterated in midterms. Sure dems lost the house, but they gained seats in the Senate, which is arguably more important.
Yes ideally dems would have solid majorities in both houses, but in the historical context, it was a huge upset for republicans.

And if the redistricting in certain states hadnt happened (or happened according to court decisions vetoing certain maps, like NC) then dems may have actually held the house.

The GOP got dick slapped last cycle and given the outrage of Gen Z voters and their newfound political activity combined with 2 more years of age, stupidity and covid decimating the gop ranks i would not bet the farm on gop doing well in a presidential cycle.

 

[HomerJS]

Iowa not helping rape victims with emergency contraceptives. Same state who tried to fire an employee who was gay and harassed him. He sued and got 1.5 million. Anyone still not understand these people are our enemies, and the battle lines have been drawn?

Iowa won't pay for rape victims' abortions or contraceptives

The Iowa Attorney General’s Office has paused its practice of paying for emergency contraception, and in rare cases abortions, for victims of sexual assault

abcnews.go.com

Iowa forcing women to carry their rapists baby to term. They lie by claiming the morning after pill is an abortifacient.

Had enough yet?

 

[senseamp]

If Biden orders FDA to ignore the ruling, what are Republicans going to do? Try to impeach him and make 2024 about abortion? Knock yourself out.

 

[HomerJS]

If Biden orders FDA to ignore the ruling, what are Republicans going to do? Try to impeach him and make 2024 about abortion? Knock yourself out.

Biden doesn't have to order the FDA to do anything. The FDA already has authority granted to it from Congress. In fact, here is a really radical idea. It will put a bomb in this entire episode.

The FDA could threaten to remove ALL previously approved ED meds from the shelves. Since those ED meds can lead to the very reason abortion meds are needed.

Like I said before, start messing with guy's erections this shit will stop.

 

[kage69]

Wasn’t this supposed to happen in the midterms with Roe being overturned? Like how stupid are Americans???

Go look at those results again. You're acting like the reaction to a corrupted, legitimacy challenged SCOTUS is over when it's only just begun. An additional 18million GenZs of voting age in 2024 will drive the point home.

 

[Mai72]

Repugs are so screwed in 2024, I can't wait. Blue wave? Blue cataclysm. GenZ hates these people with the fury of a thousand suns. I don't think the last 3 beat downs will be anything like what these christofascist traitors have on the way.

I see the same for Republicans when the next election happens. They won the battle, but are going to pay severly in the future. Its not GenZ. Its also Millennials, GenX and a large percentage of Boomers who are upset with the decline of women rights from the Christian radicals, the Supreme court and many members of Congress. Its not going to be pretty.

 

[eelw]

Go look at those results again. You're acting like the reaction to a corrupted, legitimacy challenged SCOTUS is over when it's only just begun. An additional 18million GenZs of voting age in 2024 will drive the point home.

Not when only 23% of under 30 vote

2022 Election: Young Voters Have High Midterm Turnout, Influence Critical Races

Elections are a valuable opportunity for young people across the country to make their voices heard, support action on issues they care about, and grow as active voters and leaders in our democracy. Our research on the youth vote in the 2022 midterm election highlights how young people used...

circle.tufts.edu

 

[kage69]

Not when only 23% of under 30 vote

2022 Election: Young Voters Have High Midterm Turnout, Influence Critical Races

Elections are a valuable opportunity for young people across the country to make their voices heard, support action on issues they care about, and grow as active voters and leaders in our democracy. Our research on the youth vote in the 2022 midterm election highlights how young people used...

circle.tufts.edu

You seem pretty intent on ignoring the clear trend from the last 3 elections. The GQP is losing voters, while rational Americans are increasing in number. Try to be happy, and if you can't at least be patient. Nov 2024 isn't far off, won't be long.

 

[eelw]

You seem pretty intent on ignoring the clear trend from the last 3 elections. The GQP is losing voters, while rational Americans are gaining them. Try to be happy, and if you can't at least be patient. Nov 2024 isn't far off, won't be long.

There’s a trend? Really??? 75 million R votes in 2020 isn’t turning away from the extreme right. R registered only represent 30% of the voting pool. No reason there shouldn’t be a total blue wave right now. Just because the midterms didn’t go as bad for the Dems, not something to feel optimistic about

 

[woolfe9998]

Adding to what you said...

Texas judge's ruling to ban mifepristone nationwide cites Wikipedia, contains pro-life talking points, and gets basic facts about abortion wrong: Experts say it's 'completely flawed'

Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk overturned FDA approval of an abortion medication with a ruling full of inaccuracies, legal and healthcare experts told Insider.

www.yahoo.com

Even wrose, the statute of limitations for challenging an FDA approval is 6 years. This was brought 14 years late. The judge ignored the statute of limitations even though it was argued in the case.

 

[HomerJS]

In order for this country to learn its lesson about Republicans it needs to be slapped upside the head.

I'm hoping the ruling by this Texas judge is codified and the abortion pill is banned. I'm thinking the only way to get these Republicans out of office is outright vitriolic anger from the left, independents and the youth vote. The ensuing chaos would start a bloodbath in 2024. This country needs to hit bottom before it learns.

The way to stop them to completely bloody and decapitate Republicans in 2024.

 

[eelw]

This country needs to hit bottom before it learns.

Scary that 2015-2020 wasn’t rock bottom yet.

 

[kage69]

I bet the christofascists in Wisconsin wish GenZ wasn't as motivated.

https://imgur.com/Iw33Vt3

There's a reason many on the right are shitting themselves, they know even a low percentage of a gigantic group is enough to beat their dwindling numbers. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, outright criminal activity for partisan gain; it all only goes so far when you've infuriated entire generations.

 

[kage69]

There’s a trend? Really???

Yes, really. Peppered with incredible double digit victories in areas they historically should not have occurred in. Wisconsin dodging a bullet with Judge Janet is a perfect example of it.

Here. If repug prospects aren't in any real danger as you seem to be indicating, can you explain to us why the surge in people on the right calling for the voting age to be increased?

Will you at least admit that GenZ is overwhelmingly anti-Repug? *cough* Trends do look better when you're farther from the starting point, I'll grant you that, but yes, the GQP shooting itself in the foot with Roe v Wade is doing what many predicted. Glad you respect TU, here's more from them.

"John Della Volpe, director of polling at Harvard Kennedy School’s Institute of Politics, argues that gen Z voters have emerged as an influential and active voting bloc. The Democrats, he believes, would do well to seek the vote of the 18–29 voters as “Gen Z and Millennial voters will account for nearly 40% of votes” at the 2024 election."




Edit* I was incorrect earlier with my GenZ voter population size, apparently it's closer to 16million, not 18million. Apologies. Doesn't change the result and my opinion of it, but posterity and all that...

 

[ch33zw1z]

Florida Woman Denied Abortion Miscarried in Hair Salon Bathroom, Lost Half Her Blood

Emergency room doctors had sent Anya Cook home due to the state's 15-week abortion ban. A nurse gave her antibiotics and promised to pray for her.

jezebel.com

Pro birth crowd should be proud

 

[shortylickens]

It doesnt matter. Gen z is the most disillusioned and least likely to vote. Whereas the olds are more likely to vote and cheat too.
Donald won in 2016 and he almost won in 2020. We need a very strong plan to get kiddies interested in politics. A lot of them believe iys hopeless or worthless.

 

[MtnMan]

Adding to what you said...

Texas judge's ruling to ban mifepristone nationwide cites Wikipedia, contains pro-life talking points, and gets basic facts about abortion wrong: Experts say it's 'completely flawed'

Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk overturned FDA approval of an abortion medication with a ruling full of inaccuracies, legal and healthcare experts told Insider.

www.yahoo.com

Birth control is next.
Most birth control works basically two ways.

1. prevent the sperm from reaching the egg, thus no conception, i.e. a barrier such as a condom.​

2. sperm reaches the egg, conception occurs, but the pill and IUD prevent the fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus, which causes the fertilized egg to die which in their eyes is an abortion.​

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It's only a matter of time till these neanderthal republicans try to ban the pill and IUD. If they get any traction with banning mifepristone it is guaranteed they go after many forms of birth control.

I'm old enough that I remember that every condom machine in gas station restrooms clearly stated "for the prevention of disease ONLY". Of course, it was true, it prevented me from suffering from lead poisoning from her daddy's shotgun if I knocked his daughter up.

 

[A///]

Repugs are so screwed in 2024, I can't wait. Blue wave? Blue cataclysm. GenZ hates these people with the fury of a thousand suns. I don't think the last 3 beat downs will be anything like what these christofascist traitors have on the way.

I saw the best headline this morning on this. "Republicans fear abortion backlash to continue for years."

No fucking shit dickheads. The loud voting minority thinks they're the fucking voting majority. I don't know how to post a gif or video but someone post that scene of james mcavoy breaking a keyboard on his bosse's face in wanted for me.

 

[A///]

There’s a trend? Really??? 75 million R votes in 2020 isn’t turning away from the extreme right. R registered only represent 30% of the voting pool. No reason there shouldn’t be a total blue wave right now. Just because the midterms didn’t go as bad for the Dems, not something to feel optimistic about

im sure it's less now. these people still don't bother getting their shots. that's nature's way of thinning the herds.