The NRA

[Fenixgoon]

a better question is why would you just assume someone is an upstanding and responsible citizen just because they are carrying a gun?

we all assume police officers are fine upstanding citizens, and yet ironically CCW holders commit firearms offenses at a rate less than police officers (not to mention if a cop wrongly kicks my ass, chances are (s)he'll get away with it, unlike a civilian). tried to find a link that was as reasonable sounding as possible though it still seems like it has a fairly conservative bias. but it's about the best i could do with a quick google...https://crimeresearch.org/2015/02/c...en-police-and-concealed-carry-permit-holders/

personally, open carry is stupid. yes you're exercising a right and letting people know you're carrying, blah blah blah, but then people know you're carrying and can act accordingly. if i'm going to do something stupid (like commit a crime), you're now target #1, not just some bystander off my radar.

 

[alien42]

we all assume police officers are fine upstanding citizens

speak for yourself on that one.

 

[woolfe9998]

Point still stands and it's not the only crowded venue where you can go strapped from tip to toe and all is fine but breastfeeding your infant is illegal.

The point is that something has gone horribly wrong when this is the case.

Breast feeding in public is legal in 49 out of 50 states plus DC and the US Virgin Islands. The singular exception is the lone state of Idaho which contains .5% of the US population and likely hasn't prosecuted a woman for public breast feeding since the 19th century.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/01/map-where-its-legal-to-breastfeed-in-public_n_5637301.html

 

[woolfe9998]

OK, it is my fucking opinion that if a woman breastfeeding her child is so fucking scary that you make it illegal but allow guys strapped on tip to toe in military gear with full combat harness, vest, a loaded with one in the chamber AR-15 or full auto M-16 or M-4 or what the fuck have you that he has a licence for, a sidearm, four mags for each to walk around because that is normal then you have a severe malfunction of the cerebral cortex as a fucking nation.

I should not blanket the nation that argues that this is great and votes to keep it that way? It's a liberal democracy (or rather, you play pretend that it is) so the person to blame is you and every other citizen.

Unanimous guilt comes with democratic elections, I'm responsible for Brexit even if I voted against it because I did jack squat to even try to convince others. There is no defence for that, I'm part of the reason why Brexit happened even though I voted against it and you know what, I own that shit.

So you "own" the Brexit thing because you "did jack squat to even try to convince others?" What about those of us who not only voted against Trump, but did and said plenty to convince others? There is nothing an average citizen can do in a democracy other make their voice heard and vote.

This whole line of reasoning is total nonsense. It's just a rationalization for the fact that you're addicted to the notion of conflating American conservatives with all the rest of us. And as my post above indicates, you usually don't even get your facts straight when you do it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

speak for yourself on that one.

Seriously.

 

[boomerang]

Please tell me how people are to identify responsible gun owners from irresponsible gun owners?

The same way people identify peaceful Muslims from radical Muslims.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The same way people identify peaceful Muslims from radical Muslims.

Which is?

P.s. - likening gun owners to religious believers, maybe try a different comparison.

 

[cytg111]

I am conflicted on this thing, I think there is valid arguments both ways.
1. No matter how you dice it, faring yourself in the public domain means that you are navigating a psychological equilibrium with your fellow sapiens, if everyone carries a gun that space is evened out fast, if there is no guns only bad people will have them and the equilibrium will shift towards those build of size and willingnes to use it. It changes the landscape.
2. Guns are made for killing, killing is what they do. It is not just loons in Las Vegas, all/most people have periods in their life where not reason but emotion is governing our decisions, do you want to add guns to that? Alcohol and other recreational drugs? Is it worth it?
Maybe it comes down to, at the end of the day, what kind of society and interpeople relations you want in your day to day business more so than anything else.
Having an entire nation that knows how guns work may not be a bad thing in terms of resistence should some force land at your shores? Or from within?

I mean that is just two headlines, I can go down multiple roads for hours and put weights on both sides of the scale and three weights down I dont know wtf I am doing... I am just not smart enough make a definite call on something like this. I guess thats why we have politicians(sarcasm?)

edit : I like guns, alot. I also like(love) my old "superbike" it will take me from 0-100 in under 3 seconds and I also know, everytime, its a bad idea. Oh well.

 

[ch33zw1z]

United States was/is molded in the forge of violence. It's what we know, it's what we do, it's how we roll.

All arguments aside. Deaths from gun violence fall under acceptable losses.

 

[cytg111]

United States was/is molded in the forge of violence. It's what we know, it's what we do, it's how we roll.

All arguments aside. Deaths from gun violence fall under acceptable losses.

Thats a choice, open eyes and all, cant fault that.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Thats a choice, open eyes and all, cant fault that.

It's like trying to tell a baby to stop being hungry.

"It's what I do"

 

[zinfamous]

I'm wounded! I need thoughts and prayers!

hahahaha

 

[boomerang]

Which is?

P.s. - likening gun owners to religious believers, maybe try a different comparison.

No, the comparison is spot on regarding the point I attempted to make. Leftists are very much concerned that peaceful Muslims will get lumped in with radical Muslims bent on slaughtering infidels yet they have no issues with lumping the overwhelming number of responsible gun owners in with the minute few who perform heinous acts with firearms.

A few people have done very bad things with guns and therefore the 2nd amendment must be done away with. One would hope that more consistency of thought would be applied. But alas, emotion once again rules over all.

 

[zinfamous]

really?
m16 and ar15 are diff rifles
silencers are not readily available (takes a year to get one)
(in new zealand they are cash and carry)
'i have shot anyone in xxxxx time" kinda ignorant
ect
ect
ect

as i said, funny, but lack of knowlege

A clip really is the same thing as a magazine. just admit it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

No, the comparison is spot on regarding the point I attempted to make. Leftists are very much concerned that peaceful Muslims will get lumped in with radical Muslims bent on slaughtering infidels yet they have no issues with lumping the overwhelming number of responsible gun owners in with the minute few who perform heinous acts with firearms.

A few people have done very bad things with guns and therefore the 2nd amendment must be done away with. One would hope that more consistency of thought would be applied. But alas, emotion once again rules over all.

I'll follow that same train of thought. A few Muslims have done very bad things, so we should ban muslims. Hmm, where have I heard that.

Your comparison is still not spot on, unless the point you want to make is that gun nutters believe like religious nutters, without rational thought or reason.

 

[SNC]

Are you retarded? A fire extinguisher is used to put out fires, not to kill people.

The same goes for all of the rest of it.

You really don't get the difference in function between a firearm and an airbag, do you you poor little brainwashed twat.

Didn't you just ask a question about why we catn have a open, honest and civil conversation about things a little bit ago? Hmm I wonder if you ever found an answer....

 

[NetWareHead]

I always make sure I am strapped when I go to Kid's Place. You never know what a posse of 4 year old children will do when they get you into a corner.

I dont want to leave it in the car. Guns are worth a good chunk of money. And if it does get stolen and used in a crime, I have a shit ton of explaining to do.

 

[NetWareHead]

What was your conversation like with them? What did you guys talk about?

With who? The men open carrying in 5 guys? I had no need to discuss anything with them. We ate and left.

 

[SNC]

I always make sure I am strapped when I go to Kid's Place. You never know what a posse of 4 year old children will do when they get you into a corner.

I wonder if you would feel the same way if there had been a fuckwad running from the police and was intent on killing as man of those 4 year olds and their patients as he could before being caught, but was taken out by him. Would you hate him then? Or would you be more upset if he said afterwards that he normally carries but because a parent was buthurt at teh last party he took his daughter to he left his firearm in the car while you hold the body of your dead kid? Just imagine if a retired sniper was at the festival in Vegas with his armalite AR-50 in the back of his truck. I know the answer is that Paddock should have not been able to amass that amount of firepower, and on that point I struggle with but if pressed I agree, but how? A national registry, licensing, the Canadian model? How do you limit one amendment or limit ones ability to exercise it without compromising the strength of all the others. Some argue that the second was penned when there were only muskets and did not account for the advancement of tech. Could not the same be said for the 1st? Words delivered to kids about hate and racism shape what kids become. I dont have the answer, but I do know that I have a fairly large collection of handguns from tiny over-under derringers to massive .50cal wheel guns and everything in between, I've never shot anyone and neither have my kids.

 

[1sikbITCH]

I dont want to leave it in the car. Guns are worth a good chunk of money. And if it does get stolen and used in a crime, I have a shit ton of explaining to do.

That's not self-defense. That's making sure nobody steals your gun and they make gun safes for your vehicle to prevent that.

 

[ch33zw1z]

If it gets stolen, responsible gun owners report it post haste. CYA.

 

[SNC]

I'll follow that same train of thought. A few Muslims have done very bad things, so we should ban muslims. Hmm, where have I heard that.

Your comparison is still not spot on, unless the point you want to make is that gun nutters believe like religious nutters, without rational thought or reason.

I don't think there is an ounce of difference between a gun nutter that is amassing an arsenal of weapons and a religious wacko be they Muslims, Catholics, Born Agains or LDSs.
It is all a choice, not something we are born with. We are taught it and the world we live in changes it either for the good or bad. What is it that makes you think they are different?

 

[Muse]

I assume this would be a standard view of most Europeans towards America.

If you are insulted by this, that's your addiction talking. I think it's funny as hell and on point.

No, you're completely on point. It's absolutely irrefutable. Belligerence be damned.

Case in point. Was at a birthday party for a 6 year old this weekend. Let me repeat that. Birthday party for a 6 year old. Some guy came open carry to it. Not a cop. Just came strapped. To a party with a dozen 6 year olds running around.

Classy.

America really is a zoo. I am embarrassed. How can I possibly explain "my country." It's a mad house.

 

[NetWareHead]

Are you retarded? A fire extinguisher is used to put out fires, not to kill people.

The same goes for all of the rest of it.

You really don't get the difference in function between a firearm and an airbag, do you you poor little brainwashed twat.

You missed the analogy he was painting. Sometimes killing people is the solution to the problem. I have no issues with using a gun to defend myself or loved ones. Better the criminal/home invader/mugger etc... dying than me.

I treat it like insurance. I dont buy health insurance because I really desire to open a claim with my insurance. I dont buy auto insurance because I look forward to getting into a car accident. And I dont own guns because I one day look forward to killing someone in self defense. Ideally if I never have to use any of my insurances, that's a win for me.

 

[NetWareHead]

That's not self-defense. That's making sure nobody steals your gun and they make gun safes for your vehicle to prevent that.

or i can just carry it anywhere I please. Not like that is illegal.

But yes I could exercise the gun safe option too.